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Old May 4th, 2022, 12:26 PM
Efrem G Mallach
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Default Re: [Dixonary] Round 3249: WHEAL results

Thanks, Tim!

More than one player commented on the incomprehensibility of Dan Widdis's def. #9, "A passing from one note to another by an interval, especially by a long one, or by one including several other and intermediate intervals." This is, in fact, a specialized meaning of "leap" as a noun. Those more musically informed than I am can explain the concept if anyone cares. (It fooled me, BTW, and got one of my votes. I searched for the phrase after voting.)

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> On May 4, 2022, at 1:16 PM, Tim B <dixonary (AT) siam (DOT) co.uk> wrote:
>
> In round 3249 Paul Keating earns the top spot with 6 points, 2 for guessing correctly and 4 votes for his definition, "A kind of broken gait, or pace, between an amble and a gallop; reputed a defect in a horse". Joint runners-up were Debbie Embler and Efrem Mallach with 3 points each.
>
> The true definition was 3, “A place of work [Cornish huel]”, which 3 players guessed; some dictionaries say simply "a mine", but though some of the surviving Cornish place names that include Wheal are or were mines, the majority are clay pits or clay dries, and at least two are stone quarries.
>
> Johnny Barrs and Tim Lodge were DQ.
>
> 1 A holy place
> Submitted by Johnny Barrs, who was DQ and scored 0.
> No votes.
>
> 2 To surrender.
> Submitted by Judy Madnick, who voted for 4 and 7 and scored 1.
> Vote from Abell.
>
> 3 A place of work [Cornish huel].
> Submitted by OED, which did not vote and scored D3.
> Votes from Abell, Keating, E Mallach.
>
> 4 A cutout cross section of a conch shell.
> Submitted by Debbie Embler, who voted for 5 and 6 and scored 3.
> Votes from Madnick, Shefler and Widdis.
>
> 5 A ring fixed to the structure of a ship as a hold for small lines, tackles, etc.
> Submitted by Shani Naylor, who voted for 6 and 8 and scored 1.
> Votes from Embler and Keating.
>
> 6 A kind of broken gait, or pace, between an amble and a gallop; reputed a defect in a horse.
> Submitted by Paul Keating, who voted for 3* and 5 and scored 5.
> Votes from Embler, Madnick, Naylor and Widdis.
>
> 7 [Bot.] a plant structure in which leaves grow directly from the central stem, not from branches or subsidiary stems.
> Submitted by E Mallach, who voted for 3* and 9 and scored 3.
> Vote from Shefler.
>
> 8 [Devon dialect] a flock of wading birds in flight, particularly those of the family _Calidris_ including Dunlins, Knots, and Sandpipers.
> Submitted by Tim Lodge, who was DQ and scored 1.
> Vote from Naylor.
>
> 9 (Mus.) A passing from one note to another by an interval, especially by a long one, or by one including several other and intermediate intervals.
> Submitted by Dan Widdis, who voted for 4 and 6 and scored 1.
> Vote from E Mallach.
>
> Best wishes,
> Tim Bourne.
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Old May 4th, 2022, 03:17 PM
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My first problem with this definition that an interval is not a gap in
time between notes (that is a rest, which can be called long or short),
but a gap in pitch between notes (which can only be called wide or narrow).

When a melody passes from one pitch to another, that is always an
interval.* Even a succession of two notes of the same pitch creates,
strictly speaking, an interval (of a unison). And all intervals except
unison can be decomposed into smaller ones: a major fifth (for example
C–G) can be decomposed into a major third (C–E) and a minor third (E–G).
Add a fourth (G–Cʹ) to that major fifth and you get an octave (C–Cʹ).

Harvard Dictionary of Music says a leap is melodic motion from one pitch
to another that is more than a whole tone away, which is much crisper
than its treatment of interval, which takes up 110 column centimetres:
and so is not a word to be carelessly bandied about.

There is a citation at leap in the OED that mentions several
intermediate intervals, but that is from 1786; and, just as in physics
or chemistry, musical terminology hasn't remained constant over the last
250 years.

P

Efrem G Mallach wrote on 2022-05-04 19:26:
> Thanks, Tim!
>
> More than one player commented on the incomprehensibility of Dan Widdis's def. #9, "A passing from one note to another by an interval, especially by a long one, or by one including several other and intermediate intervals." This is, in fact, a specialized meaning of "leap" as a noun. Those more musically informed than I am can explain the concept if anyone cares. (It fooled me, BTW, and got one of my votes. I searched for the phrase after voting.)
>
> Efrem
>
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>
>> On May 4, 2022, at 1:16 PM, Tim B <dixonary (AT) siam (DOT) co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> In round 3249 Paul Keating earns the top spot with 6 points, 2 for guessing correctly and 4 votes for his definition, "A kind of broken gait, or pace, between an amble and a gallop; reputed a defect in a horse". Joint runners-up were Debbie Embler and Efrem Mallach with 3 points each.
>>
>> The true definition was 3, “A place of work [Cornish huel]”, which 3 players guessed; some dictionaries say simply "a mine", but though some of the surviving Cornish place names that include Wheal are or were mines, the majority are clay pits or clay dries, and at least two are stone quarries.
>>
>> Johnny Barrs and Tim Lodge were DQ.
>>
>> 1 A holy place
>> Submitted by Johnny Barrs, who was DQ and scored 0.
>> No votes.
>>
>> 2 To surrender.
>> Submitted by Judy Madnick, who voted for 4 and 7 and scored 1.
>> Vote from Abell.
>>
>> 3 A place of work [Cornish huel].
>> Submitted by OED, which did not vote and scored D3.
>> Votes from Abell, Keating, E Mallach.
>>
>> 4 A cutout cross section of a conch shell.
>> Submitted by Debbie Embler, who voted for 5 and 6 and scored 3.
>> Votes from Madnick, Shefler and Widdis.
>>
>> 5 A ring fixed to the structure of a ship as a hold for small lines, tackles, etc.
>> Submitted by Shani Naylor, who voted for 6 and 8 and scored 1.
>> Votes from Embler and Keating.
>>
>> 6 A kind of broken gait, or pace, between an amble and a gallop; reputed a defect in a horse.
>> Submitted by Paul Keating, who voted for 3* and 5 and scored 5.
>> Votes from Embler, Madnick, Naylor and Widdis.
>>
>> 7 [Bot.] a plant structure in which leaves grow directly from the central stem, not from branches or subsidiary stems.
>> Submitted by E Mallach, who voted for 3* and 9 and scored 3.
>> Vote from Shefler.
>>
>> 8 [Devon dialect] a flock of wading birds in flight, particularly those of the family _Calidris_ including Dunlins, Knots, and Sandpipers.
>> Submitted by Tim Lodge, who was DQ and scored 1.
>> Vote from Naylor.
>>
>> 9 (Mus.) A passing from one note to another by an interval, especially by a long one, or by one including several other and intermediate intervals.
>> Submitted by Dan Widdis, who voted for 4 and 6 and scored 1.
>> Vote from E Mallach.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Tim Bourne.
>>
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Old May 5th, 2022, 02:00 AM
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Default Re: [Dixonary] Round 3249: WHEAL results

As a Poldark fan, I really should have recognised this as a Cornish word.....



On Thu, May 5, 2022 at 5:16 AM Tim B <dixonary (AT) siam (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

> In round 3249 Paul Keating earns the top spot with 6 points, 2 for
> guessing correctly and 4 votes
> for his definition, "A kind of broken gait, or pace, between an amble and
> a gallop; reputed a defect
> in a horse". Joint runners-up were Debbie Embler and Efrem Mallach with 3
> points each.
>
> The true definition was 3, “A place of work [Cornish huel]”, which 3
> players guessed; some
> dictionaries say simply "a mine", but though some of the surviving Cornish
> place names that include
> Wheal are or were mines, the majority are clay pits or clay dries, and at
> least two are stone quarries.
>
> Johnny Barrs and Tim Lodge were DQ.
>
> 1 A holy place
> Submitted by Johnny Barrs, who was DQ and scored 0.
> No votes.
>
> 2 To surrender.
> Submitted by Judy Madnick, who voted for 4 and 7 and scored 1.
> Vote from Abell.
>
> 3 A place of work [Cornish huel].
> Submitted by OED, which did not vote and scored D3.
> Votes from Abell, Keating, E Mallach.
>
> 4 A cutout cross section of a conch shell.
> Submitted by Debbie Embler, who voted for 5 and 6 and scored 3.
> Votes from Madnick, Shefler and Widdis.
>
> 5 A ring fixed to the structure of a ship as a hold for small lines,
> tackles, etc.
> Submitted by Shani Naylor, who voted for 6 and 8 and scored 1.
> Votes from Embler and Keating.
>
> 6 A kind of broken gait, or pace, between an amble and a gallop; reputed a
> defect in a horse.
> Submitted by Paul Keating, who voted for 3* and 5 and scored 5.
> Votes from Embler, Madnick, Naylor and Widdis.
>
> 7 [Bot.] a plant structure in which leaves grow directly from the central
> stem, not from branches or
> subsidiary stems.
> Submitted by E Mallach, who voted for 3* and 9 and scored 3.
> Vote from Shefler.
>
> 8 [Devon dialect] a flock of wading birds in flight, particularly those of
> the family _Calidris_
> including Dunlins, Knots, and Sandpipers.
> Submitted by Tim Lodge, who was DQ and scored 1.
> Vote from Naylor.
>
> 9 (Mus.) A passing from one note to another by an interval, especially by
> a long one, or by one
> including several other and intermediate intervals.
> Submitted by Dan Widdis, who voted for 4 and 6 and scored 1.
> Vote from E Mallach.
>
> Best wishes,
> Tim Bourne.
>
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Old May 5th, 2022, 05:58 AM
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> Ah, I scored 2 & Paul 6 (he's given 5 in the rolling scores)

Yes, that's correct.

I now realise I didn't show the votes of the two people who voted but did not submit definitions,
Tony Abell (2 and 3) and Mike Shefler (4 and 7), though they were included in the totals. I'm sorry
for any confusion this may have caused.

Best wishes,
Tim Bourne.

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