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Old October 19th, 2019, 04:38 AM
Tim Lodge
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Default [Dixonary] Round 3021 ZARCOLE Results

Tim Bourne and Mike Shefler both got 5 natural votes, and they are both
tied in the 4-round rolling scores. However, Mike is way ahead in the
cumulative scores, so he becomes the new dealer, leaving Tim as the Real
Winner. Only Shani Naylor guessed the true definition, the cylindrical
hat, which she selected because she didn't know what a janizary was. A
janizary was a 17th/18th Century Turkish Soldier, looking like this with
his zarcole on:


Over to you, Mike.

-- Tim L

*** ZARCOLE ***

1. a twisted pasta
Submitter: Debbie Embler Votes: 2 & 7 Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
Voted for by: Dan Widdis

2. a place appointed for a relay of horses
Submitter: Dan Widdis Votes: 1 & 3 Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
Voted for by: Debbie Embler

3. a large roundhead cabbage [also CZARCOLE]
Submitter: Johnny Barrs Votes: 4 & 8 Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
Voted for by: Dan Widdis

4. [Geol.] a rift. (fr. _Zarcole_, Austria]
Submitter: Dave Cunningham Votes: 8 & 11 Score: 2 + 0 + 0 = 2
Voted for by: Johnny Barrs, Shani Naylor

5. a combination of sunshine and light rain.
Submitter: Shani Naylor Votes: 4 & 10 Score: 1 + *2* + 0 = 3
Voted for by: Ryan McGill

6. a plant that thrives in soil rich in lime.
Submitter: Judy Madnick Votes: 8 & 11 Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
Voted for by: Tim Bourne

7. [Ital.] The central plaza of a city or town.
Submitter: Efrem Mallach Votes: 8 & 11 Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
Voted for by: Debbie Embler

8. a blue semi-precious stone of volcanic origin.
Submitter: Tim Bourne Votes: 6 & 11 Score: 5 + 0 + 0 = 5
Voted for by: Johnny Barrs, Dave Cunningham, Judy Madnick, Efrem Mallach,
Tony Abell

9. a swear jar; initially added to the Jargon File 18th Nov 1993
Submitter: Ryan McGill Votes: 5 & 9 Score: 0 + 0 + 0 = 0
Voted for by: Ryan McGill

10. a high cylindrical head-dress such as was worn by janizaries.
Submitter: OED Votes: - & - Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
Voted for by: Shani Naylor

11. a brittle mineral which generally appears as colorless, or pale blue
with a vitreous to pearly luster.
Submitter: Mike Shefler Votes: 0 & 0 Score: 5 + 0 + 0 = 5
Voted for by: Dave Cunningham, Judy Madnick, Efrem Mallach, Tim Bourne,
Tony Abell
No Def: Tony Abell Votes: 8 & 11 Score: 0 + 0 + 0 = 0

Voted for by: Nobody




*Def* *Vote 1* *Vote 2* *Tot Votes* *Guess* *DP* *Score*









Mike Shefler 11 0 0 5 0 0 5
Tim Bourne 8 6 11 5 0 0 5
Shani Naylor 5 4 10 1 2 0 3 *
Dave Cunningham 4 8 11 2 0 0 2
Debbie Embler 1 2 7 1 0 0 1
Dan Widdis 2 1 3 1 0 0 1
Johnny Barrs 3 4 8 1 0 0 1
Judy Madnick 6 8 11 1 0 0 1
Efrem Mallach 7 8 11 1 0 0 1
OED 10 - - 1 0 0 1
Ryan McGill 9 5 9 0 0 0 0
Tony Abell 12 8 11 0 0 0 0



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Old October 19th, 2019, 06:21 AM
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> However, Mike is way ahead in the cumulative scores, so he becomes the new dealer, leaving Tim as the Real Winner.

Phew! I'm sure that's the most votes I've ever received and not been dealer.

Congratulations, Mike!

Best wishes,
Tim Bourne.

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Old October 19th, 2019, 09:08 AM
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---------- Original Message -----------
From: Tim Lodge <dix (AT) timlodge (DOT) co.uk>
To: Dixonary <dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com>
Sent: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 02:38:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Dixonary] Round 3021 ZARCOLE Results

> Tim Bourne and Mike Shefler both got 5 natural votes, and they are
> both tied in the 4-round rolling scores. However, Mike is way ahead
> in the cumulative scores, so he becomes the new dealer, leaving Tim
> as the Real Winner. Only Shani Naylor guessed the true definition,
> the cylindrical hat, which she selected because she didn't know
> what a janizary was. A janizary was a 17th/18th Century Turkish
> Soldier, looking like this with his zarcole on:
>
> Over to you, Mike.
>
> -- Tim L
>
> *** ZARCOLE ***
>
> 1. a twisted pasta
> Submitter: Debbie Embler Votes: 2 & 7 Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
> Voted for by: Dan Widdis
>
> 2. a place appointed for a relay of horses
> Submitter: Dan Widdis Votes: 1 & 3 Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
> Voted for by: Debbie Embler
>
> 3. a large roundhead cabbage [also CZARCOLE]
> Submitter: Johnny Barrs Votes: 4 & 8 Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
> Voted for by: Dan Widdis
>
> 4. [Geol.] a rift. (fr. _Zarcole_, Austria]
> Submitter: Dave Cunningham Votes: 8 & 11 Score: 2 + 0 + 0 = 2
> Voted for by: Johnny Barrs, Shani Naylor
>
> 5. a combination of sunshine and light rain.
> Submitter: Shani Naylor Votes: 4 & 10 Score: 1 + *2* + 0 = 3
> Voted for by: Ryan McGill
>
> 6. a plant that thrives in soil rich in lime.
> Submitter: Judy Madnick Votes: 8 & 11 Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
> Voted for by: Tim Bourne
>
> 7. [Ital.] The central plaza of a city or town.
> Submitter: Efrem Mallach Votes: 8 & 11 Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
> Voted for by: Debbie Embler
>
> 8. a blue semi-precious stone of volcanic origin.
> Submitter: Tim Bourne Votes: 6 & 11 Score: 5 + 0 + 0 = 5
> Voted for by: Johnny Barrs, Dave Cunningham, Judy Madnick, Efrem
> Mallach, Tony Abell
>
> 9. a swear jar; initially added to the Jargon File 18th Nov 1993
> Submitter: Ryan McGill Votes: 5 & 9 Score: 0 + 0 + 0 = 0
> Voted for by: Ryan McGill
>
> 10. a high cylindrical head-dress such as was worn by janizaries.
> Submitter: OED Votes: - & - Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1 Voted for
> by: Shani Naylor
>
> 11. a brittle mineral which generally appears as colorless, or pale
> blue with a vitreous to pearly luster. Submitter: Mike Shefler
> Votes: 0 & 0 Score: 5 + 0 + 0 = 5 Voted for by: Dave Cunningham,
> Judy Madnick, Efrem Mallach, Tim Bourne, Tony Abell No Def: Tony
> Abell Votes: 8 & 11 Score: 0 + 0 + 0 = 0
>
> Voted for by: Nobody
>
> *Def* *Vote 1* *Vote 2* *Tot Votes* *Guess* *DP* *Score*
>
> Mike Shefler 11 0 0 5 0 0 5
> Tim Bourne 8 6 11 5 0 0 5
> Shani Naylor 5 4 10 1 2 0 3 *
> Dave Cunningham 4 8 11 2 0 0 2
> Debbie Embler 1 2 7 1 0 0 1
> Dan Widdis 2 1 3 1 0 0 1
> Johnny Barrs 3 4 8 1 0 0 1
> Judy Madnick 6 8 11 1 0 0 1
> Efrem Mallach 7 8 11 1 0 0 1
> OED 10 - - 1 0 0 1
> Ryan McGill 9 5 9 0 0 0 0
> Tony Abell 12 8 11 0 0 0 0
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Old October 21st, 2019, 11:52 AM
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Default [Dixonary] Round 3021 ZARCOLE Results

Silly question, perhaps:

There's nothing in the rules about voting for one's own definition.
Strategically, it's not a great move, as it halves the chances of guessing
the correct definition. But as there's no official ban on it, I figured it
was worth a shot strategically to coax a vote or two more (which,
admittedly, I did poorly, voting late in the round). I assume it could be
considered unsporting or bad form, but since I saw no ruling, it seemed
like untrod ground.

Has the topic of a self-vote been broached before? Is the no-point thing
official or discretionary?





On Saturday, October 19, 2019 at 2:38:23 AM UTC-7, Tim Lodge wrote:
>
> Tim Bourne and Mike Shefler both got 5 natural votes, and they are both
> tied in the 4-round rolling scores. However, Mike is way ahead in the
> cumulative scores, so he becomes the new dealer, leaving Tim as the Real
> Winner. Only Shani Naylor guessed the true definition, the cylindrical
> hat, which she selected because she didn't know what a janizary was. A
> janizary was a 17th/18th Century Turkish Soldier, looking like this with
> his zarcole on:
>
>
> Over to you, Mike.
>
> -- Tim L
>
> *** ZARCOLE ***
>
> 1. a twisted pasta
> Submitter: Debbie Embler Votes: 2 & 7 Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
> Voted for by: Dan Widdis
>
> 2. a place appointed for a relay of horses
> Submitter: Dan Widdis Votes: 1 & 3 Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
> Voted for by: Debbie Embler
>
> 3. a large roundhead cabbage [also CZARCOLE]
> Submitter: Johnny Barrs Votes: 4 & 8 Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
> Voted for by: Dan Widdis
>
> 4. [Geol.] a rift. (fr. _Zarcole_, Austria]
> Submitter: Dave Cunningham Votes: 8 & 11 Score: 2 + 0 + 0 = 2
> Voted for by: Johnny Barrs, Shani Naylor
>
> 5. a combination of sunshine and light rain.
> Submitter: Shani Naylor Votes: 4 & 10 Score: 1 + *2* + 0 = 3
> Voted for by: Ryan McGill
>
> 6. a plant that thrives in soil rich in lime.
> Submitter: Judy Madnick Votes: 8 & 11 Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
> Voted for by: Tim Bourne
>
> 7. [Ital.] The central plaza of a city or town.
> Submitter: Efrem Mallach Votes: 8 & 11 Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
> Voted for by: Debbie Embler
>
> 8. a blue semi-precious stone of volcanic origin.
> Submitter: Tim Bourne Votes: 6 & 11 Score: 5 + 0 + 0 = 5
> Voted for by: Johnny Barrs, Dave Cunningham, Judy Madnick, Efrem Mallach,
> Tony Abell
>
> 9. a swear jar; initially added to the Jargon File 18th Nov 1993
> Submitter: Ryan McGill Votes: 5 & 9 Score: 0 + 0 + 0 = 0
> Voted for by: Ryan McGill
>
> 10. a high cylindrical head-dress such as was worn by janizaries.
> Submitter: OED Votes: - & - Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
> Voted for by: Shani Naylor
>
> 11. a brittle mineral which generally appears as colorless, or pale blue
> with a vitreous to pearly luster.
> Submitter: Mike Shefler Votes: 0 & 0 Score: 5 + 0 + 0 = 5
> Voted for by: Dave Cunningham, Judy Madnick, Efrem Mallach, Tim Bourne,
> Tony Abell
> No Def: Tony Abell Votes: 8 & 11 Score: 0 + 0 + 0 = 0
>
> Voted for by: Nobody
>
>
>
>
> *Def* *Vote 1* *Vote 2* *Tot Votes* *Guess* *DP* *Score*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Mike Shefler 11 0 0 5 0 0 5
> Tim Bourne 8 6 11 5 0 0 5
> Shani Naylor 5 4 10 1 2 0 3 *
> Dave Cunningham 4 8 11 2 0 0 2
> Debbie Embler 1 2 7 1 0 0 1
> Dan Widdis 2 1 3 1 0 0 1
> Johnny Barrs 3 4 8 1 0 0 1
> Judy Madnick 6 8 11 1 0 0 1
> Efrem Mallach 7 8 11 1 0 0 1
> OED 10 - - 1 0 0 1
> Ryan McGill 9 5 9 0 0 0 0
> Tony Abell 12 8 11 0 0 0 0
>
>
>


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Old October 21st, 2019, 12:13 PM
'Efrem G Mallach' via Dixonary
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Ryan,

The rules say, in the scoring section, "Provided always that the author of a definition, or a contributor to a combined definition, never receives points for voting for it." Seems to me that this sanctions voting for your own definition if you so choose. I've also seen it happen by accident; once in a while someone forgets which of the definitions is theirs, and it looks plausible, so ...

Efrem

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> On Oct 21, 2019, at 12:52 PM, Ryan McGill <ryanmmcgill (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
>
> Silly question, perhaps:
>
> There's nothing in the rules about voting for one's own definition. Strategically, it's not a great move, as it halves the chances of guessing the correct definition. But as there's no official ban on it, I figured it was worth a shot strategically to coax a vote or two more (which, admittedly, I did poorly, voting late in the round). I assume it could be considered unsporting or bad form, but since I saw no ruling, it seemed like untrod ground.
>
> Has the topic of a self-vote been broached before? Is the no-point thing official or discretionary?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, October 19, 2019 at 2:38:23 AM UTC-7, Tim Lodge wrote:
> Tim Bourne and Mike Shefler both got 5 natural votes, and they are both tied in the 4-round rolling scores. However, Mike is way ahead in the cumulative scores, so he becomes the new dealer, leaving Tim as the Real Winner. Only Shani Naylor guessed the true definition, the cylindrical hat, which she selected because she didn't know what a janizary was. A janizary was a 17th/18th Century Turkish Soldier, looking like this with his zarcole on:
>
>
>
> Over to you, Mike.
>
> -- Tim L
>
> *** ZARCOLE ***
>
> 1. a twisted pasta
> Submitter: Debbie Embler Votes: 2 & 7 Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
> Voted for by: Dan Widdis
>
> 2. a place appointed for a relay of horses
> Submitter: Dan Widdis Votes: 1 & 3 Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
> Voted for by: Debbie Embler
>
> 3. a large roundhead cabbage [also CZARCOLE]
> Submitter: Johnny Barrs Votes: 4 & 8 Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
> Voted for by: Dan Widdis
>
> 4. [Geol.] a rift. (fr. _Zarcole_, Austria]
> Submitter: Dave Cunningham Votes: 8 & 11 Score: 2 + 0 + 0 = 2
> Voted for by: Johnny Barrs, Shani Naylor
>
> 5. a combination of sunshine and light rain.
> Submitter: Shani Naylor Votes: 4 & 10 Score: 1 + *2* + 0 = 3
> Voted for by: Ryan McGill
>
> 6. a plant that thrives in soil rich in lime.
> Submitter: Judy Madnick Votes: 8 & 11 Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
> Voted for by: Tim Bourne
>
> 7. [Ital.] The central plaza of a city or town.
> Submitter: Efrem Mallach Votes: 8 & 11 Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
> Voted for by: Debbie Embler
>
> 8. a blue semi-precious stone of volcanic origin.
> Submitter: Tim Bourne Votes: 6 & 11 Score: 5 + 0 + 0 = 5
> Voted for by: Johnny Barrs, Dave Cunningham, Judy Madnick, Efrem Mallach, Tony Abell
>
> 9. a swear jar; initially added to the Jargon File 18th Nov 1993
> Submitter: Ryan McGill Votes: 5 & 9 Score: 0 + 0 + 0 = 0
> Voted for by: Ryan McGill
>
> 10. a high cylindrical head-dress such as was worn by janizaries.
> Submitter: OED Votes: - & - Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
> Voted for by: Shani Naylor
>
> 11. a brittle mineral which generally appears as colorless, or pale blue with a vitreous to pearly luster.
> Submitter: Mike Shefler Votes: 0 & 0 Score: 5 + 0 + 0 = 5
> Voted for by: Dave Cunningham, Judy Madnick, Efrem Mallach, Tim Bourne, Tony Abell
>
> No Def: Tony Abell Votes: 8 & 11 Score: 0 + 0 + 0 = 0
> Voted for by: Nobody
>
>
>
>
>
> Def Vote 1 Vote 2 Tot Votes Guess DP Score
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Mike Shefler 11 0 0 5 0 0 5
> Tim Bourne 8 6 11 5 0 0 5
> Shani Naylor 5 4 10 1 2 0 3 *
> Dave Cunningham 4 8 11 2 0 0 2
> Debbie Embler 1 2 7 1 0 0 1
> Dan Widdis 2 1 3 1 0 0 1
> Johnny Barrs 3 4 8 1 0 0 1
> Judy Madnick 6 8 11 1 0 0 1
> Efrem Mallach 7 8 11 1 0 0 1
> OED 10 - - 1 0 0 1
> Ryan McGill 9 5 9 0 0 0 0
> Tony Abell 12 8 11 0 0 0 0
>
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Old October 21st, 2019, 12:19 PM
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> I've also seen it happen by accident; once in a while someone forgets which of the definitions is
> theirs, and it looks plausible, so ...


It can also happen that a definition is combined with the correct one and is no longer recognisable,
so one votes for it unknowingly.

Best wishes,
Tim Bourne.

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Old October 21st, 2019, 12:30 PM
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Absolutely true, though in an ideal world combined definitions should have originally been so similar that the author of any would still recognize it. If a definition has to be rephrased so much as to be unrecognizable when combined, perhaps the two shouldn't have been combined at all. There are always borderline cases, but still.

e

> On Oct 21, 2019, at 1:19 PM, Tim B <dixonary (AT) siam (DOT) co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>> I've also seen it happen by accident; once in a while someone forgets which of the definitions is theirs, and it looks plausible, so ...

>
> It can also happen that a definition is combined with the correct one and is no longer recognisable, so one votes for it unknowingly.
>
> Best wishes,
> Tim Bourne.
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Old October 21st, 2019, 12:31 PM
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Oh yes, voting for one's own definition has been addressed. It is
historically well-founded.

In the early stages of the game, when I was a regular player it was a
not-uncommon tactic used to draw other votes. But, beyond that, it was an
all-the-time tradition for Howard Benner, creator of the TapCis Forum where
the game originated.

He always did it. Everybody knew it. It was such a thing that whenever
another player was found to have voted for his own def, he was said to have
"Bennered."

Howard never fooled anybody. The other thing he *always* did was submit a
definition that had something to do with horses. Some 'bone connecting a
horses' fetlock to the...' or some such thing.

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 12:52 PM Ryan McGill <ryanmmcgill (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

> Silly question, perhaps:
>
> There's nothing in the rules about voting for one's own definition.
> Strategically, it's not a great move, as it halves the chances of guessing
> the correct definition. But as there's no official ban on it, I figured it
> was worth a shot strategically to coax a vote or two more (which,
> admittedly, I did poorly, voting late in the round). I assume it could be
> considered unsporting or bad form, but since I saw no ruling, it seemed
> like untrod ground.
>
> Has the topic of a self-vote been broached before? Is the no-point thing
> official or discretionary?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, October 19, 2019 at 2:38:23 AM UTC-7, Tim Lodge wrote:
>>
>> Tim Bourne and Mike Shefler both got 5 natural votes, and they are both
>> tied in the 4-round rolling scores. However, Mike is way ahead in the
>> cumulative scores, so he becomes the new dealer, leaving Tim as the Real
>> Winner. Only Shani Naylor guessed the true definition, the cylindrical
>> hat, which she selected because she didn't know what a janizary was. A
>> janizary was a 17th/18th Century Turkish Soldier, looking like this with
>> his zarcole on:
>>
>>
>> Over to you, Mike.
>>
>> -- Tim L
>>
>> *** ZARCOLE ***
>>
>> 1. a twisted pasta
>> Submitter: Debbie Embler Votes: 2 & 7 Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
>> Voted for by: Dan Widdis
>>
>> 2. a place appointed for a relay of horses
>> Submitter: Dan Widdis Votes: 1 & 3 Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
>> Voted for by: Debbie Embler
>>
>> 3. a large roundhead cabbage [also CZARCOLE]
>> Submitter: Johnny Barrs Votes: 4 & 8 Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
>> Voted for by: Dan Widdis
>>
>> 4. [Geol.] a rift. (fr. _Zarcole_, Austria]
>> Submitter: Dave Cunningham Votes: 8 & 11 Score: 2 + 0 + 0 = 2
>> Voted for by: Johnny Barrs, Shani Naylor
>>
>> 5. a combination of sunshine and light rain.
>> Submitter: Shani Naylor Votes: 4 & 10 Score: 1 + *2* + 0 = 3
>> Voted for by: Ryan McGill
>>
>> 6. a plant that thrives in soil rich in lime.
>> Submitter: Judy Madnick Votes: 8 & 11 Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
>> Voted for by: Tim Bourne
>>
>> 7. [Ital.] The central plaza of a city or town.
>> Submitter: Efrem Mallach Votes: 8 & 11 Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
>> Voted for by: Debbie Embler
>>
>> 8. a blue semi-precious stone of volcanic origin.
>> Submitter: Tim Bourne Votes: 6 & 11 Score: 5 + 0 + 0 = 5
>> Voted for by: Johnny Barrs, Dave Cunningham, Judy Madnick, Efrem Mallach,
>> Tony Abell
>>
>> 9. a swear jar; initially added to the Jargon File 18th Nov 1993
>>
>> Submitter: Ryan McGill Votes: 5 & 9 Score: 0 + 0 + 0 = 0
>> Voted for by: Ryan McGill
>>
>> 10. a high cylindrical head-dress such as was worn by janizaries.
>>
>> Submitter: OED Votes: - & - Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
>> Voted for by: Shani Naylor
>>
>> 11. a brittle mineral which generally appears as colorless, or pale
>> blue with a vitreous to pearly luster.
>> Submitter: Mike Shefler Votes: 0 & 0 Score: 5 + 0 + 0 = 5
>> Voted for by: Dave Cunningham, Judy Madnick, Efrem Mallach, Tim Bourne,
>> Tony Abell
>> No Def: Tony Abell Votes: 8 & 11 Score: 0 + 0 + 0 = 0
>>
>> Voted for by: Nobody
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Def* *Vote 1* *Vote 2* *Tot Votes* *Guess* *DP* *Score*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike Shefler 11 0 0 5 0 0 5
>> Tim Bourne 8 6 11 5 0 0 5
>> Shani Naylor 5 4 10 1 2 0 3 *
>> Dave Cunningham 4 8 11 2 0 0 2
>> Debbie Embler 1 2 7 1 0 0 1
>> Dan Widdis 2 1 3 1 0 0 1
>> Johnny Barrs 3 4 8 1 0 0 1
>> Judy Madnick 6 8 11 1 0 0 1
>> Efrem Mallach 7 8 11 1 0 0 1
>> OED 10 - - 1 0 0 1
>> Ryan McGill 9 5 9 0 0 0 0
>> Tony Abell 12 8 11 0 0 0 0
>>
>>
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Old October 21st, 2019, 12:54 PM
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> On Oct 21, 2019, at 1:31 PM, Stephen Dixon <stevedixon46 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
>
> ...
>
> Howard never fooled anybody. The other thing he always did was submit a definition that had something to do with horses. Some 'bone connecting a horses' fetlock to the...' or some such thing.


To bad I read this after I had pretty much settled on a definition for the current "machair." It could have worked!

Efrem

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Old October 21st, 2019, 02:25 PM
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I'm attempting to reply to Johnny's message, but I can't seem to find it on
the thread.

In any case, I see where I went wrong: I was looking in the rules for
voting, not the rules for scoring.

Cheers, all, and thanks for all the delightful historical notes.

Ryan



On Monday, October 21, 2019 at 10:54:44 AM UTC-7, Efrem wrote:
>
>
>
> On Oct 21, 2019, at 1:31 PM, Stephen Dixon <steved... (AT) gmail (DOT) com
> <javascript:>> wrote:
>
> ...
>
> Howard never fooled anybody. The other thing he *always* did was submit a
> definition that had something to do with horses. Some 'bone connecting a
> horses' fetlock to the...' or some such thing.
>
>
> To bad I read this after I had pretty much settled on a definition for the
> current "machair." It could have worked!
>
> Efrem
>
>


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Old October 21st, 2019, 06:15 PM
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Sorry, originally sent privately

*JohnnyB*

I thought that you could vote for your own definition, (and may want to
do so for strategic reasons) but that your vote for your own definition
does not count in the votes for that definition

Original rules 8)Scoring follows1) You get one point for each vote
(other than your own) foryour definition,

Paul Keating's "Real Rules" do not mention it (and by the way, (probably
for Dan W) the main 'Game Rules and Advice' page on dixonary.net has
'not found links' about the rules - one has to go to the rules section
itself)

*So I submit that you can vote for your own definition but receive no
points for so doing

*JohnnyB*

On 21/10/2019 11:52, Ryan McGill wrote:
> Silly question, perhaps:
>
> There's nothing in the rules about voting for one's own definition.
> Strategically, it's not a great move, as it halves the chances of
> guessing *the correct definition. But as there's no official ban on
> it, I figured it was worth a shot strategically to coax a vote or two
> more (which, admittedly, I did poorly, voting late in the round). I
> assume it could be considered unsporting or bad form, but since I saw
> no ruling, it seemed like untrod ground.
>
> Has the topic of a self-vote been broached before? Is the no-point
> thing official or discretionary?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, October 19, 2019 at 2:38:23 AM UTC-7, Tim Lodge wrote:
>
> Tim Bourne and Mike Shefler both got 5 natural votes, and they are
> both tied in the 4-round rolling scores. However, Mike is way
> ahead in the cumulative scores, so he becomes the new dealer,
> leaving Tim as the Real Winner.* Only Shani Naylor guessed the
> true definition, the cylindrical hat, which she selected because
> she didn't know what a janizary was.* A janizary was a 17th/18th
> Century Turkish Soldier, looking like this with his zarcole on:
>
>
> Over to you, Mike.
>
> --* Tim L
>
> *** ZARCOLE ***
>
> 1. a twisted pasta
> Submitter: Debbie Embler Votes: 2 & 7 Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
> Voted for by: Dan Widdis
>
> 2. a place appointed for a relay of horses
> Submitter: Dan Widdis Votes: 1 & 3 Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
> Voted for by: Debbie Embler
>
> 3. a large roundhead cabbage [also CZARCOLE]
> Submitter: Johnny Barrs Votes: 4 & 8 Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
> Voted for by: Dan Widdis
>
> 4. [Geol.]a rift. (fr. _Zarcole_, Austria]
> Submitter: Dave Cunningham Votes: 8 & 11 Score: 2 + 0 + 0 = 2
> Voted for by: Johnny Barrs, Shani Naylor
>
> 5. a combination of sunshine and light rain.
> Submitter: Shani Naylor Votes: 4 & 10 Score: 1 + *2* + 0 = 3
> Voted for by: Ryan McGill
>
> 6. a plant that thrives in soil rich in lime.
> Submitter: Judy Madnick Votes: 8 & 11 Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
> Voted for by: Tim Bourne
>
> 7. [Ital.] The central plaza of a city or town.
> Submitter: Efrem Mallach Votes: 8 & 11 Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
> Voted for by: Debbie Embler
>
> 8. a blue semi-precious stone of volcanic origin.
> Submitter: Tim Bourne Votes: 6 & 11 Score: 5 + 0 + 0 = 5
> Voted for by: Johnny Barrs, Dave Cunningham, Judy Madnick, Efrem
> Mallach, Tony Abell
>
> 9. a swear jar; initially added to the Jargon File 18th Nov 1993
> Submitter: Ryan McGill Votes: 5 & 9 Score: 0 + 0 + 0 = 0
> Voted for by: Ryan McGill
>
> 10. a high cylindrical head-dress such as was worn by janizaries.
> Submitter: OED Votes: - & - Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
> Voted for by: Shani Naylor
>
> 11. a brittle mineral which generally appears as colorless, or
> pale blue with a vitreous to pearly luster.
> Submitter: Mike Shefler Votes: 0 & 0 Score: 5 + 0 + 0 = 5
> Voted for by: Dave Cunningham, Judy Madnick, Efrem Mallach, Tim
> Bourne, Tony Abell
>
> No Def: Tony Abell Votes: 8 & 11 Score: 0 + 0 + 0 = 0
>
> Voted for by: Nobody
>
>
> *
> * *Def* *Vote 1* *Vote 2* *Tot Votes* *Guess* *DP* *Score*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Mike Shefler 11 0 0 5 0 0 5
> Tim Bourne 8 6 11 5 0 0 5
> Shani Naylor 5 4 10 1 2 0 3 *
> Dave Cunningham 4 8 11 2 0 0 2
> Debbie Embler 1 2 7 1 0 0 1
> Dan Widdis 2 1 3 1 0 0 1
> Johnny Barrs 3 4 8 1 0 0 1
> Judy Madnick 6 8 11 1 0 0 1
> Efrem Mallach 7 8 11 1 0 0 1
> OED 10 - - 1 0 0 1
> Ryan McGill 9 5 9 0 0 0 0
> Tony Abell 12 8 11 0 0 0 0
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Old October 21st, 2019, 06:25 PM
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Oh, yes! Obviously you can’t score yourself a point by voting on your own
definition.

It is a complete throwaway, whether you are attempting the old hockey
fake-out or just being...unique, like the late, great HB.

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 7:15 PM Johnb - co.uk <johnb (AT) john-barrs (DOT) co.uk>
wrote:

> Sorry, originally sent privately
> *JohnnyB*
>
> I thought that you could vote for your own definition, (and may want to do
> so for strategic reasons) but that your vote for your own definition does
> not count in the votes for that definition
>
> Original rules 8) Scoring follows: (1) You get one point for each vote
> (other than your own) for your definition,
>
> Paul Keating's "Real Rules" do not mention it (and by the way, (probably
> for Dan W) the main 'Game Rules and Advice' page on dixonary.net has 'not
> found links' about the rules - one has to go to the rules section itself)
>
> So I submit that you can vote for your own definition but receive no
> points for so doing
>
> *JohnnyB*
> On 21/10/2019 11:52, Ryan McGill wrote:
>
> Silly question, perhaps:
>
> There's nothing in the rules about voting for one's own definition.
> Strategically, it's not a great move, as it halves the chances of guessing
> the correct definition. But as there's no official ban on it, I figured it
> was worth a shot strategically to coax a vote or two more (which,
> admittedly, I did poorly, voting late in the round). I assume it could be
> considered unsporting or bad form, but since I saw no ruling, it seemed
> like untrod ground.
>
> Has the topic of a self-vote been broached before? Is the no-point thing
> official or discretionary?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, October 19, 2019 at 2:38:23 AM UTC-7, Tim Lodge wrote:
>>
>> Tim Bourne and Mike Shefler both got 5 natural votes, and they are both
>> tied in the 4-round rolling scores. However, Mike is way ahead in the
>> cumulative scores, so he becomes the new dealer, leaving Tim as the Real
>> Winner. Only Shani Naylor guessed the true definition, the cylindrical
>> hat, which she selected because she didn't know what a janizary was. A
>> janizary was a 17th/18th Century Turkish Soldier, looking like this with
>> his zarcole on:
>>
>>
>> Over to you, Mike.
>>
>> -- Tim L
>>
>> *** ZARCOLE ***
>>
>> 1. a twisted pasta
>> Submitter: Debbie Embler Votes: 2 & 7 Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
>> Voted for by: Dan Widdis
>>
>> 2. a place appointed for a relay of horses
>> Submitter: Dan Widdis Votes: 1 & 3 Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
>> Voted for by: Debbie Embler
>>
>> 3. a large roundhead cabbage [also CZARCOLE]
>> Submitter: Johnny Barrs Votes: 4 & 8 Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
>> Voted for by: Dan Widdis
>>
>> 4. [Geol.] a rift. (fr. _Zarcole_, Austria]
>> Submitter: Dave Cunningham Votes: 8 & 11 Score: 2 + 0 + 0 = 2
>> Voted for by: Johnny Barrs, Shani Naylor
>>
>> 5. a combination of sunshine and light rain.
>> Submitter: Shani Naylor Votes: 4 & 10 Score: 1 + *2* + 0 = 3
>> Voted for by: Ryan McGill
>>
>> 6. a plant that thrives in soil rich in lime.
>> Submitter: Judy Madnick Votes: 8 & 11 Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
>> Voted for by: Tim Bourne
>>
>> 7. [Ital.] The central plaza of a city or town.
>> Submitter: Efrem Mallach Votes: 8 & 11 Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
>> Voted for by: Debbie Embler
>>
>> 8. a blue semi-precious stone of volcanic origin.
>> Submitter: Tim Bourne Votes: 6 & 11 Score: 5 + 0 + 0 = 5
>> Voted for by: Johnny Barrs, Dave Cunningham, Judy Madnick, Efrem Mallach,
>> Tony Abell
>>
>> 9. a swear jar; initially added to the Jargon File 18th Nov 1993
>>
>> Submitter: Ryan McGill Votes: 5 & 9 Score: 0 + 0 + 0 = 0
>> Voted for by: Ryan McGill
>>
>> 10. a high cylindrical head-dress such as was worn by janizaries.
>>
>> Submitter: OED Votes: - & - Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
>> Voted for by: Shani Naylor
>>
>> 11. a brittle mineral which generally appears as colorless, or pale
>> blue with a vitreous to pearly luster.
>> Submitter: Mike Shefler Votes: 0 & 0 Score: 5 + 0 + 0 = 5
>> Voted for by: Dave Cunningham, Judy Madnick, Efrem Mallach, Tim Bourne,
>> Tony Abell
>> No Def: Tony Abell Votes: 8 & 11 Score: 0 + 0 + 0 = 0
>>
>> Voted for by: Nobody
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Def* *Vote 1* *Vote 2* *Tot Votes* *Guess* *DP* *Score*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike Shefler 11 0 0 5 0 0 5
>> Tim Bourne 8 6 11 5 0 0 5
>> Shani Naylor 5 4 10 1 2 0 3 *
>> Dave Cunningham 4 8 11 2 0 0 2
>> Debbie Embler 1 2 7 1 0 0 1
>> Dan Widdis 2 1 3 1 0 0 1
>> Johnny Barrs 3 4 8 1 0 0 1
>> Judy Madnick 6 8 11 1 0 0 1
>> Efrem Mallach 7 8 11 1 0 0 1
>> OED 10 - - 1 0 0 1
>> Ryan McGill 9 5 9 0 0 0 0
>> Tony Abell 12 8 11 0 0 0 0
>>
>>
>>

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Old October 21st, 2019, 09:33 PM
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I’m surprised this case isn’t mentioned in the “Real Rules”.* And I see the dead links. At some point I’ll figure out how to log in and edit the pages for the broken links from the summary.* I consider it a success that I haven’t forgotten to renew the domain name.



Dan



From: <dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com> on behalf of "Johnb - co.uk" <johnb (AT) john-barrs (DOT) co.uk>
Reply-To: <dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com>
Date: Monday, October 21, 2019 at 4:15 PM
To: Dixonarians <dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com>
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Dixonary] Re: Round 3021 ZARCOLE Results



Sorry, originally sent privately

JohnnyB



I thought that you could vote for your own definition, (and may want to do so for strategic reasons) but that your vote for your own definition does not count in the votes for that definition

Original rules 8) Scoring follows: (1) You get one point for each vote (other than your own) for your definition,

Paul Keating's "Real Rules" do not mention it (and by the way, (probably for Dan W) the main 'Game Rules and Advice' page on dixonary.net has 'not found links' about the rules - one has to go to the rules section itself)


So I submit that you can vote for your own definition but receive no points for so doing

JohnnyB

On 21/10/2019 11:52, Ryan McGill wrote:

Silly question, perhaps:



There's nothing in the rules about voting for one's own definition. Strategically, it's not a great move, as it halves the chances of guessing the correct definition. But as there's no official ban on it, I figured it was worth a shot strategically to coax a vote or two more (which, admittedly, I did poorly, voting late in the round). I assume it could be considered unsporting or bad form, but since I saw no ruling, it seemed like untrod ground.



Has the topic of a self-vote been broached before? Is the no-point thing official or discretionary?










On Saturday, October 19, 2019 at 2:38:23 AM UTC-7, Tim Lodge wrote:

Tim Bourne and Mike Shefler both got 5 natural votes, and they are both tied in the 4-round rolling scores. However, Mike is way ahead in the cumulative scores, so he becomes the new dealer, leaving Tim as the Real Winner. Only Shani Naylor guessed the true definition, the cylindrical hat, which she selected because she didn't know what a janizary was. A janizary was a 17th/18th Century Turkish Soldier, looking like this with his zarcole on:





Over to you, Mike.



-- Tim L



*** ZARCOLE ***



1. a twisted pasta
Submitter: Debbie Embler Votes: 2 & 7 Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
Voted for by: Dan Widdis

2. a place appointed for a relay of horses
Submitter: Dan Widdis Votes: 1 & 3 Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
Voted for by: Debbie Embler

3. a large roundhead cabbage [also CZARCOLE]
Submitter: Johnny Barrs Votes: 4 & 8 Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
Voted for by: Dan Widdis

4. [Geol.] a rift. (fr. _Zarcole_, Austria]
Submitter: Dave Cunningham Votes: 8 & 11 Score: 2 + 0 + 0 = 2
Voted for by: Johnny Barrs, Shani Naylor

5. a combination of sunshine and light rain.
Submitter: Shani Naylor Votes: 4 & 10 Score: 1 + *2* + 0 = 3
Voted for by: Ryan McGill

6. a plant that thrives in soil rich in lime.
Submitter: Judy Madnick Votes: 8 & 11 Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
Voted for by: Tim Bourne

7. [Ital.] The central plaza of a city or town.
Submitter: Efrem Mallach Votes: 8 & 11 Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
Voted for by: Debbie Embler

8. a blue semi-precious stone of volcanic origin.
Submitter: Tim Bourne Votes: 6 & 11 Score: 5 + 0 + 0 = 5
Voted for by: Johnny Barrs, Dave Cunningham, Judy Madnick, Efrem Mallach, Tony Abell

9. a swear jar; initially added to the Jargon File 18th Nov 1993
Submitter: Ryan McGill Votes: 5 & 9 Score: 0 + 0 + 0 = 0
Voted for by: Ryan McGill

10. a high cylindrical head-dress such as was worn by janizaries.
Submitter: OED Votes: - & - Score: 1 + 0 + 0 = 1
Voted for by: Shani Naylor

11. a brittle mineral which generally appears as colorless, or pale blue with a vitreous to pearly luster.
Submitter: Mike Shefler Votes: 0 & 0 Score: 5 + 0 + 0 = 5
Voted for by: Dave Cunningham, Judy Madnick, Efrem Mallach, Tim Bourne, Tony Abell

No Def: Tony Abell Votes: 8 & 11 Score: 0 + 0 + 0 = 0

Voted for by: Nobody





DefVote 1Vote 2Tot VotesGuessDPScore
Mike Shefler11005005
Tim Bourne86115005
Shani Naylor54101203*
Dave Cunningham48112002
Debbie Embler1271001
Dan Widdis2131001
Johnny Barrs3481001
Judy Madnick68111001
Efrem Mallach78111001
OED10--1001
Ryan McGill9590000
Tony Abell128110000



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Old October 22nd, 2019, 09:49 AM
Johnb - co.uk
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>I’m surprised this case isn’t mentioned in the “Real Rules”

I couldn't find it - and I did a couple of searches

*JohnnyB*
On 21/10/2019 21:33, Daniel B Widdis wrote:
>
> I’m surprised this case isn’t mentioned in the “Real Rules”.* And I
> see the dead links. At some point I’ll figure out how to log in and
> edit the pages for the broken links from the summary.* I consider it a
> success that I haven’t forgotten to renew the domain name.
>
> Dan
>
> *From: *<dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com> on behalf of "Johnb - co.uk"
> <johnb (AT) john-barrs (DOT) co.uk>
> *Reply-To: *<dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com>
> *Date: *Monday, October 21, 2019 at 4:15 PM
> *To: *Dixonarians <dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com>
> *Subject: *Fwd: Re: [Dixonary] Re: Round 3021 ZARCOLE Results
>
> Sorry, originally sent privately
>
> *JohnnyB*
>
> I thought that you could vote for your own definition, (and may want
> to do so for strategic reasons) but that your vote for your own
> definition does not count in the votes for that definition
>
> Original rules 8)Scoring follows: (1) You get one point for each vote
> (other than your own) for your definition,
>
> Paul Keating's "Real Rules" do not mention it (and by the way,
> (probably for Dan W) the main 'Game Rules and Advice' page on
> dixonary.net has 'not found links' about the rules - one has to go to
> the rules section itself)
>
> *So I submit that you can vote for your own definition but receive no
> points for so doing
>
> *JohnnyB*
>
> On 21/10/2019 11:52, Ryan McGill wrote:
>
> Silly question, perhaps:
>
> There's nothing in the rules about voting for one's own
> definition. Strategically, it's not a great move, as it halves the
> chances of guessing *the correct definition. But as there's no
> official ban on it, I figured it was worth a shot strategically to
> coax a vote or two more (which, admittedly, I did poorly, voting
> late in the round). I assume it could be considered unsporting or
> bad form, but since I saw no ruling, it seemed like untrod ground.
>
> Has the topic of a self-vote been broached before? Is the no-point
> thing official or discretionary?
>
>
> On Saturday, October 19, 2019 at 2:38:23 AM UTC-7, Tim Lodge wrote:
>
> Tim Bourne and Mike Shefler both got 5 natural votes, and they
> are both tied in the 4-round rolling scores. However, Mike is
> way ahead in the cumulative scores, so he becomes the new
> dealer, leaving Tim as the Real Winner. Only Shani Naylor
> guessed the true definition, the cylindrical hat, which she
> selected because she didn't know what a janizary was.* A
> janizary was a 17th/18th Century Turkish Soldier, looking like
> this with his zarcole on:
>
> Image removed by sender.
>
> Over to you, Mike.
>
> --* Tim L
>
> *** ZARCOLE ***
>
> 1. *a twisted pasta
> Submitter: Debbie Embler Votes: 2 & 7 Score: 1 *+ 0 + 0 *= 1
> Voted for by: Dan Widdis
>
> *2. *a place appointed for a relay of horses
> Submitter: Dan Widdis Votes: 1 & 3 Score: 1 *+ 0 + 0 *= 1
> Voted for by: Debbie Embler
>
> *3. *a large roundhead cabbage [also CZARCOLE]
> Submitter: Johnny Barrs Votes: 4 & 8 Score: 1 *+ 0 + 0 *= 1
> Voted for by: Dan Widdis
>
> *4. *[Geol.]* a rift. (fr. _Zarcole_, Austria]
> Submitter: Dave Cunningham Votes: 8 & 11 Score: 2 *+ 0 + 0 *= 2
> Voted for by: Johnny Barrs, Shani Naylor
>
> *5. *a combination of sunshine and light rain.
> Submitter: Shani Naylor Votes: 4 & 10 Score: 1 *+ *2* + 0 *= 3
> Voted for by: Ryan McGill
>
> *6. *a plant that thrives in soil rich in lime.
> Submitter: Judy Madnick Votes: 8 & 11 Score: 1 *+ 0 + 0 *= 1
> Voted for by: Tim Bourne
>
> *7. *[Ital.] The central plaza of a city or town.
> Submitter: Efrem Mallach Votes: 8 & 11 Score: 1 *+ 0 + 0 *= 1
> Voted for by: Debbie Embler
>
> *8. *a blue semi-precious stone of volcanic origin.
> Submitter: Tim Bourne Votes: 6 & 11 Score: 5 *+ 0 + 0 *= 5
> Voted for by: Johnny Barrs, Dave Cunningham, Judy Madnick,
> Efrem Mallach, Tony Abell
>
> *9. *a swear jar; initially added to the Jargon File 18th Nov
> 1993
> Submitter: Ryan McGill Votes: 5 & 9 Score: 0 *+ 0 + 0 *= 0
> Voted for by: Ryan McGill
>
> 10. *a high cylindrical head-dress such as was worn by
> janizaries.
> Submitter: *OED *Votes: - & - Score: 1 *+ 0 + 0 *= 1
> Voted for by: Shani Naylor
>
> 11. *a brittle mineral which generally appears as colorless,
> or pale blue with a vitreous to pearly luster.
> Submitter: Mike Shefler Votes: 0 & 0 Score: 5 *+ 0 + 0 *= 5
> Voted for by: Dave Cunningham, Judy Madnick, Efrem Mallach,
> Tim Bourne, Tony Abell
>
> No Def: Tony Abell Votes: 8 & 11 Score: 0 *+ 0 + 0 *= 0
>
> Voted for by: Nobody
>
>
>
>
> *Def*
>
>
>
> *Vote 1*
>
>
>
> *Vote 2*
>
>
>
> *Tot Votes*
>
>
>
> *Guess*
>
>
>
> *DP*
>
>
>
> *Score*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Mike Shefler
>
>
>
> 11
>
>
>
> 0
>
>
>
> 0
>
>
>
> 5
>
>
>
> 0
>
>
>
> 0
>
>
>
> 5
>
>
>
> Tim Bourne
>
>
>
> 8
>
>
>
> 6
>
>
>
> 11
>
>
>
> 5
>
>
>
> 0
>
>
>
> 0
>
>
>
> 5
>
>
>
> Shani Naylor
>
>
>
> 5
>
>
>
> 4
>
>
>
> 10
>
>
>
> 1
>
>
>
> 2
>
>
>
> 0
>
>
>
> 3
>
>
>
> *
>
> Dave Cunningham
>
>
>
> 4
>
>
>
> 8
>
>
>
> 11
>
>
>
> 2
>
>
>
> 0
>
>
>
> 0
>
>
>
> 2
>
>
>
> Debbie Embler
>
>
>
> 1
>
>
>
> 2
>
>
>
> 7
>
>
>
> 1
>
>
>
> 0
>
>
>
> 0
>
>
>
> 1
>
>
>
> Dan Widdis
>
>
>
> 2
>
>
>
> 1
>
>
>
> 3
>
>
>
> 1
>
>
>
> 0
>
>
>
> 0
>
>
>
> 1
>
>
>
> Johnny Barrs
>
>
>
> 3
>
>
>
> 4
>
>
>
> 8
>
>
>
> 1
>
>
>
> 0
>
>
>
> 0
>
>
>
> 1
>
>
>
> Judy Madnick
>
>
>
> 6
>
>
>
> 8
>
>
>
> 11
>
>
>
> 1
>
>
>
> 0
>
>
>
> 0
>
>
>
> 1
>
>
>
> Efrem Mallach
>
>
>
> 7
>
>
>
> 8
>
>
>
> 11
>
>
>
> 1
>
>
>
> 0
>
>
>
> 0
>
>
>
> 1
>
>
>
> *OED
>
>
>
> 10
>
>
>
> -
>
>
>
> -
>
>
>
> 1
>
>
>
> 0
>
>
>
> 0
>
>
>
> 1
>
>
>
> Ryan McGill
>
>
>
> 9
>
>
>
> 5
>
>
>
> 9
>
>
>
> 0
>
>
>
> 0
>
>
>
> 0
>
>
>
> 0
>
>
>
> Tony Abell
>
>
>
> 12
>
>
>
> 8
>
>
>
> 11
>
>
>
> 0
>
>
>
> 0
>
>
>
> 0
>
>
>
> 0
>
>
>
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