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Tim Lodge June 26th, 2022 04:01 PM

Re: [Dixonary] Round 3261 DYSANIA results
 
Efrem

I hate to pick holes in your results, but I think you've mixed up Tony Abel
and me. Def 2 (inability to sit still) was mine, so the three votes for
that def plus the two points for voting for the real one would give me an
unnatural 5 points and - unfortunately - give me the next deal. Dan, you'd
better hold on until this is sorted out.

-- Tim L

On Sunday, 26 June 2022 at 21:29:03 UTC+1 efrem.... (AT) gmail (DOT) com wrote:

> Folks,
>
> *DYSANIA* is the (to many people) unbelievable condition of being
> genuinely unable to leave one's bed, despite the absence of a physical
> condition that prevents it: def. #3. John Barrs was DQ when the word was
> announced and Paul Keating found that he knew it when he saw the list. In
> addition, Messrs. Lodge, Shefler and Widdis voted for it, giving me a D3.
>
> The next dealer is the aforementioned Dan Widdis, the only player to earn
> four points, for his difficulty in moving. (Many of the definitions picked
> up on the "dys" prefix to refer to a medical condition of some sort.)
> Runner-up and traditional "winnah" honors are shared by John Barrs and Tony
> Abell, both of whom scored natural 3s. (Since nobody scored three points
> with the aid of a correct guess, I can avoid mentioning "unnatural" scores.
> Except that I just did.)
>
> In my previous deal, I noted a correlation between the length of a
> definition and the number of votes it received. A brief discussion on that
> topic followed. For what it's worth, the correlation between length and
> votes in this deal was only 17.4%: not enough to conclude that there's a
> connection. The chart, with the trendline, is pasted at the bottom of this
> email.
>
> Full results:
>
> 1. the peak of sleep saturation. From Embler, D. who voted 2, 5. Voted for
> by: Bourne, T. Score: 1.
>
> 2. inability to sit still without fidgeting. From Abell, T. who did
> not vote. Voted for by: Embler, D.; Widdis, D.; Madnick, J. Score: 3.
>
> 3. extreme, often chronic, inability to leave one's bed. From Dictionary
> which could not vote. Voted for by: Shefler, M.; Widdis, D.; Lodge, T.
> Score: D3.
>
> 4. a state of extreme calmness, sometimes mistaken for catatonia. From
> Naylor, S. who voted 10, 11. Voted for by: Bourne, T. Score: 1.
>
> 5. freedom from disturbance of mind or passion; stoical indifference. From
> Keating, P. who was DQ. Voted for by: Embler, D. Score: 1.
>
> 6. a medicinal plant used by Native Americans to alleviate heat stress.
> From Shefler, M. who voted *3*, 11. Voted for by: None. Score: 2.
>
> 7. a chronic condition of listlessness, characterized by lack of energy or
> sexual desire. From Mallach, A. who did not vote. Voted for by: Fein, D.
> Score: 1.
>
> 8. an inability or difficulty in moving, particularly during the state
> between dreaming and waking. From Widdis, D. who voted 2, *3*. Voted for
> by: Fein, D.; Lodge, T. Score: 4.
>
> 9. the process of transferring pictures or designs printed on
> specially prepared paper to materials such as glass or metal. From Madnick,
> J. who voted 2, 11. Voted for by: None. Score: 0.
>
> 10. [med.] a distinctive facial expression or appearance associated with a
> specific neurological condition (e.g., Parkinson's) or genetic syndrome
> (e.g., Marfan's). From Fein, D. who voted 7, 8. Voted for by: Naylor, S.
> Score: 1.
>
> 11. 1. a species of small moth in the family Noctuidae, D. incurvata,
> found in tropical woodlands in S E Asia; 2. a genus of 5 species of
> single-celled algae in the family Cryptophyceae living in fresh or brackish
> water with a palaearctic distribution. From Barrs, J. who was DQ. Voted for
> by: Naylor, S.; Shefler, M.; Madnick, J. Score: 3.
>
> No definition from Bourne, T. who voted 1, 4. Voted for by: N/A. Score: 0.
>
> No definition from Lodge, T. who voted *3*, 8. Voted for by: N/A. Score: 2.
> .
>
> As a table, with tied scores in random order:
>
>
> Efrem
>
>
>
>


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Tim Lodge June 26th, 2022 04:01 PM

Re: [Dixonary] Round 3261 DYSANIA results
 
Efrem

I hate to pick holes in your results, but I think you've mixed up Tony Abel
and me. Def 2 (inability to sit still) was mine, so the three votes for
that def plus the two points for voting for the real one would give me an
unnatural 5 points and - unfortunately - give me the next deal. Dan, you'd
better hold on until this is sorted out.

-- Tim L

On Sunday, 26 June 2022 at 21:29:03 UTC+1 efrem.... (AT) gmail (DOT) com wrote:

> Folks,
>
> *DYSANIA* is the (to many people) unbelievable condition of being
> genuinely unable to leave one's bed, despite the absence of a physical
> condition that prevents it: def. #3. John Barrs was DQ when the word was
> announced and Paul Keating found that he knew it when he saw the list. In
> addition, Messrs. Lodge, Shefler and Widdis voted for it, giving me a D3.
>
> The next dealer is the aforementioned Dan Widdis, the only player to earn
> four points, for his difficulty in moving. (Many of the definitions picked
> up on the "dys" prefix to refer to a medical condition of some sort.)
> Runner-up and traditional "winnah" honors are shared by John Barrs and Tony
> Abell, both of whom scored natural 3s. (Since nobody scored three points
> with the aid of a correct guess, I can avoid mentioning "unnatural" scores.
> Except that I just did.)
>
> In my previous deal, I noted a correlation between the length of a
> definition and the number of votes it received. A brief discussion on that
> topic followed. For what it's worth, the correlation between length and
> votes in this deal was only 17.4%: not enough to conclude that there's a
> connection. The chart, with the trendline, is pasted at the bottom of this
> email.
>
> Full results:
>
> 1. the peak of sleep saturation. From Embler, D. who voted 2, 5. Voted for
> by: Bourne, T. Score: 1.
>
> 2. inability to sit still without fidgeting. From Abell, T. who did
> not vote. Voted for by: Embler, D.; Widdis, D.; Madnick, J. Score: 3.
>
> 3. extreme, often chronic, inability to leave one's bed. From Dictionary
> which could not vote. Voted for by: Shefler, M.; Widdis, D.; Lodge, T.
> Score: D3.
>
> 4. a state of extreme calmness, sometimes mistaken for catatonia. From
> Naylor, S. who voted 10, 11. Voted for by: Bourne, T. Score: 1.
>
> 5. freedom from disturbance of mind or passion; stoical indifference. From
> Keating, P. who was DQ. Voted for by: Embler, D. Score: 1.
>
> 6. a medicinal plant used by Native Americans to alleviate heat stress.
> From Shefler, M. who voted *3*, 11. Voted for by: None. Score: 2.
>
> 7. a chronic condition of listlessness, characterized by lack of energy or
> sexual desire. From Mallach, A. who did not vote. Voted for by: Fein, D.
> Score: 1.
>
> 8. an inability or difficulty in moving, particularly during the state
> between dreaming and waking. From Widdis, D. who voted 2, *3*. Voted for
> by: Fein, D.; Lodge, T. Score: 4.
>
> 9. the process of transferring pictures or designs printed on
> specially prepared paper to materials such as glass or metal. From Madnick,
> J. who voted 2, 11. Voted for by: None. Score: 0.
>
> 10. [med.] a distinctive facial expression or appearance associated with a
> specific neurological condition (e.g., Parkinson's) or genetic syndrome
> (e.g., Marfan's). From Fein, D. who voted 7, 8. Voted for by: Naylor, S.
> Score: 1.
>
> 11. 1. a species of small moth in the family Noctuidae, D. incurvata,
> found in tropical woodlands in S E Asia; 2. a genus of 5 species of
> single-celled algae in the family Cryptophyceae living in fresh or brackish
> water with a palaearctic distribution. From Barrs, J. who was DQ. Voted for
> by: Naylor, S.; Shefler, M.; Madnick, J. Score: 3.
>
> No definition from Bourne, T. who voted 1, 4. Voted for by: N/A. Score: 0.
>
> No definition from Lodge, T. who voted *3*, 8. Voted for by: N/A. Score: 2.
> .
>
> As a table, with tied scores in random order:
>
>
> Efrem
>
>
>
>


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Daniel B Widdis June 26th, 2022 04:39 PM

Re: [Dixonary] Round 3261 DYSANIA results
 
I’m more than happy to stay in bed.



From: Dixonary <dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com> on behalf of Tim Lodge <dix (AT) timlodge (DOT) co.uk>
Reply-To: Dixonary <dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com>
Date: Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 2:01 PM
To: Dixonary <dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com>
Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Round 3261 DYSANIA results



Efrem



I hate to pick holes in your results, but I think you've mixed up Tony Abel and me. Def 2 (inability to sit still) was mine, so the three votes for that def plus the two points for voting for the real one would give me an unnatural 5 points and - unfortunately - give me the next deal. Dan, you'd better hold on until this is sorted out.



-- Tim L

On Sunday, 26 June 2022 at 21:29:03 UTC+1 efrem.... (AT) gmail (DOT) com wrote:

Folks,



DYSANIA is the (to many people) unbelievable condition of being genuinely unable to leave one's bed, despite the absence of a physical condition that prevents it: def. #3. John Barrs was DQ when the word was announced and Paul Keating found that he knew it when he saw the list. In addition, Messrs. Lodge, Shefler and Widdis voted for it, giving me a D3.



The next dealer is the aforementioned Dan Widdis, the only player to earn four points, for his difficulty in moving. (Many of the definitions picked up on the "dys" prefix to refer to a medical condition of some sort.) Runner-up and traditional "winnah" honors are shared by John Barrs and Tony Abell, both of whom scored natural 3s. (Since nobody scored three points with the aid of a correct guess, I can avoid mentioning "unnatural" scores. Except that I just did.)



In my previous deal, I noted a correlation between the length of a definition and the number of votes it received. A brief discussion on that topic followed. For what it's worth, the correlation between length and votes in this deal was only 17.4%: not enough to conclude that there's a connection. The chart, with the trendline, is pasted at the bottom of this email.



Full results:



1. the peak of sleep saturation. From Embler, D. who voted 2, 5. Voted for by: Bourne, T. Score: 1.

2. inability to sit still without fidgeting. From Abell, T. who did not vote. Voted for by: Embler, D.; Widdis, D.; Madnick, J. Score: 3.

3. extreme, often chronic, inability to leave one's bed. From Dictionary which could not vote. Voted for by: Shefler, M.; Widdis, D.; Lodge, T. Score: D3.

4. a state of extreme calmness, sometimes mistaken for catatonia. From Naylor, S. who voted 10, 11. Voted for by: Bourne, T. Score: 1.

5. freedom from disturbance of mind or passion; stoical indifference. From Keating, P. who was DQ. Voted for by: Embler, D. Score: 1.

6. a medicinal plant used by Native Americans to alleviate heat stress. From Shefler, M. who voted *3*, 11. Voted for by: None. Score: 2.

7. a chronic condition of listlessness, characterized by lack of energy or sexual desire. From Mallach, A. who did not vote. Voted for by: Fein, D. Score: 1.

8. an inability or difficulty in moving, particularly during the state between dreaming and waking. From Widdis, D. who voted 2, *3*. Voted for by: Fein, D.; Lodge, T. Score: 4.

9. the process of transferring pictures or designs printed on specially prepared paper to materials such as glass or metal. From Madnick, J. who voted 2, 11. Voted for by: None. Score: 0.

10. [med.] a distinctive facial expression or appearance associated with a specific neurological condition (e.g., Parkinson's) or genetic syndrome (e.g., Marfan's). From Fein, D. who voted 7, 8. Voted for by: Naylor, S. Score: 1.

11. 1. a species of small moth in the family Noctuidae, D. incurvata, found in tropical woodlands in S E Asia; 2. a genus of 5 species of single-celled algae in the family Cryptophyceae living in fresh or brackish water with a palaearctic distribution. From Barrs, J. who was DQ. Voted for by: Naylor, S.; Shefler, M.; Madnick, J. Score: 3.

No definition from Bourne, T. who voted 1, 4. Voted for by: N/A. Score: 0.



No definition from Lodge, T. who voted *3*, 8. Voted for by: N/A. Score: 2...



As a table, with tied scores in random order:





Efrem







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'France International/Mike Shefler' via Dixonary June 26th, 2022 05:10 PM

Re: [Dixonary] Round 3261 DYSANIA results
 
I don't think you can reach a general conclusion based on one observation, but maybe that was not your intent.

--Mike



On 6/26/2022 4:28 PM, Efrem Mallach wrote:









In my previous deal, I noted a correlation between the length of a definition and the number of votes it received. A brief discussion on that topic followed. For what it's worth, the correlation between length and votes in this deal was only 17.4%: not enough to conclude that there's a connection. The chart, with the trendline, is pasted at the bottom of this email.






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Efrem Mallach June 27th, 2022 10:21 AM

Re: [Dixonary] Round 3261 DYSANIA results
 
I didn't reach any conclusions at all. Round 3261 was just another data point, suggesting that the relationship found in that earlier round wasn't hugely significant. It would take a lot more data to reach a conclusion either way. What's more, if one eventually did conclude that longer defs get more votes, it would likely lead to changes in behavior in both defining and voting that would invalidate it going forward,

Efrem

========================

> On Jun 26, 2022, at 6:10 PM, 'France International/Mike Shefler' via Dixonary <dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com> wrote:
>
> I don't think you can reach a general conclusion based on one observation, but maybe that was not your intent.
>
> --Mike
>
> On 6/26/2022 4:28 PM, Efrem Mallach wrote:
>>
>> In my previous deal, I noted a correlation between the length of a definition and the number of votes it received. A brief discussion on that topic followed. For what it's worth, the correlation between length and votes in this deal was only 17.4%: not enough to conclude that there's a connection.. The chart, with the trendline, is pasted at the bottom of this email.

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Chowie June 27th, 2022 02:27 PM

Re: [Dixonary] Round 3261 DYSANIA results
 
When I first began playing, not so long ago, definitions tended to be
longer and more complex. That has eased up a bit.

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022, 11:21 AM Efrem Mallach <efrem.mallach (AT) gmail (DOT) com>
wrote:

> I didn't reach any conclusions at all. Round 3261 was just another data
> point, suggesting that the relationship found in that earlier round wasn't
> hugely significant. It would take a lot more data to reach a conclusion
> either way. What's more, if one eventually did conclude that longer defs
> get more votes, it would likely lead to changes in behavior in both
> defining and voting that would invalidate it going forward,
>
> Efrem
>
> ========================
>
> On Jun 26, 2022, at 6:10 PM, 'France International/Mike Shefler' via
> Dixonary <dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com> wrote:
>
> I don't think you can reach a general conclusion based on one observation,
> but maybe that was not your intent.
>
> --Mike
>
> On 6/26/2022 4:28 PM, Efrem Mallach wrote:
>
>
> In my previous deal, I noted a correlation between the length of a
> definition and the number of votes it received. A brief discussion on that
> topic followed. For what it's worth, the correlation between length and
> votes in this deal was only 17.4%: not enough to conclude that there's a
> connection. The chart, with the trendline, is pasted at the bottom of this
> email.
>
>
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Paul Keating June 28th, 2022 01:22 AM

Re: [Dixonary] Round 3261 DYSANIA results
 
If you're planning further investigation, I'd like to offer an alternative
hypothesis.

Some dealers in the distant past followed an intuition that defs close to
the begining or end of the list were likelier to attract votes, and so put
the real one in the middle.

If there is any basis for that, then there is a confounding factor in
rounds where the definitions are sorted by length.

P

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Efrem Mallach June 28th, 2022 07:18 AM

Re: [Dixonary] Round 3261 DYSANIA results
 
If you're planning further investigation ...

At this point I'm not. Perhaps if it's a slow news day, the weather is nasty, I've done all the laundry and paid all the bills, I've caught up on watching recorded episodes of Jeopardy! and reading back issues of my college alumni magazine, have pulled out all the things that fell behind the washing machine, and I'm bored with computer solitaire, I might think about it out of desperation. Otherwise, I leave it for someone who is more highly motivated in that direction than I am.

(That said, my spreadsheet is already set up to do the analysis and create the chart, so I might report it when I deal - especially if it looks interesting in some way.)

E

> On Jun 28, 2022, at 2:22 AM, Paul Keating <dixonary (AT) boargules (DOT) com> wrote:
>
> If you're planning further investigation, I'd like to offer an alternative hypothesis.
>
> Some dealers in the distant past followed an intuition that defs close to the begining or end of the list were likelier to attract votes, and so put the real one in the middle.
>
> If there is any basis for that, then there is a confounding factor in rounds where the definitions are sorted by length.
>
> P


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