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Guerri Stevens
January 28th, 2012, 05:54 AM
Google is changing its Email. Even though they have not yet done away
with the old version, they have made some changes. In particular, the
handling of attached .pdf files in messages. I got one today. Gmail
gives you the option to "view" or "download" such files. In the old
days, view brought up the Acrobat viewer. Now, view brings up Google
Docs along with a message about how the file might not be viewed
properly (sorry but I didn't make a note of the exact message because I
was totally infuriated). I have not been able to find a setting that
would let me change this.

I cannot think of any reason they would change the way such files are
viewed. Other than to push their Google Docs software, that is.
Apparently I am not the only Gmail user annoyed by this.


--
Guerri

Jim Hart
January 28th, 2012, 07:13 AM
Guerri - Agree it's very annoying having to see pdf files through
Google's inferior viewer. My mail has been like that for quite a while
now, can't remember when it started but I wish it would stop. Unless
the pdf is obviously something trivial I usually take the download
option even though that makes it a multistep procedure instead of a
single click. Hrmph.

Jim

Guerri Stevens
January 28th, 2012, 07:51 AM
I don't often get .pdf files as attachments, so this is the first I knew
of the change. They have done other irritating things such as no longer
putting the "sign out" right at the top of the screen. Now you have to
look at a menu and scroll down. I am not young, and am wondering how
long it will be before I am unable to handle those kinds of menus (the
scroll down without being able to just click on what you want).

I think Google is gradually sneaking in the new stuff even though they
appear to be allowing us to use the old system for now. I may have to
look around for a new, free, Email service. Unfortunately the tapcis.com
Email is also hosted by Google, which means it too is subject to the
whims of the Gmail developers.

Guerri

Jim Hart wrote:
> Guerri - Agree it's very annoying having to see pdf files through
> Google's inferior viewer. My mail has been like that for quite a while
> now, can't remember when it started but I wish it would stop. Unless
> the pdf is obviously something trivial I usually take the download
> option even though that makes it a multistep procedure instead of a
> single click. Hrmph.

Dodi Schultz
January 28th, 2012, 08:27 AM
I saw a message from Guerri about Google mail, sent about two and a half
hours ago. I saw another message from her, sent about half an hour ago, on
the same subject, replying to a comment from Jim, which had apparently been
sent in reply to her original message.

The message from Jim never got here. (Nor did the original round results
from Dan yesterday, which Tony never got either.)

SOMETHING is amiss . . .

Dodi

Jim Hart
January 28th, 2012, 03:55 PM
Dodi - In all these various comments about seen/unseen messages I had
been thinking I had no problem. HOwever... I just realised I haven't
had an email digest for quite a while.

Ever since joining the Google groups version of Dixonary I have always
opted to get the email digest of messages rather than every message
individually. Then if I wanted to participate/post/reply I would go to
the group site and do it from there. Lately I've been logging onto the
group site quite often so didn't notice that the digest, which used to
arrive daily, hasn't been seen for a while.

Perhaps Google in its infinite all-seeing wisdom knew which messages I
had read via the groups site and decided I didn't need the digest. I
checked my profile just in case but the setting is still the same.

Jim

On Jan 29, 1:27*am, Dodi Schultz <DodiSchu... (AT) nasw (DOT) org> wrote:
> I saw a message from Guerri about Google mail, sent about two and a half
> hours ago. I saw another message from her, sent about half an hour ago, on
> the same subject, replying to a comment from Jim, which had apparently been
> sent in reply to her original message.
>
> The message from Jim never got here. (Nor did the original round results
> from Dan yesterday, which Tony never got either.)
>
> SOMETHING is amiss . . .
>
> Dodi

Tim Lodge
January 29th, 2012, 07:04 AM
Jim

Thanks for pointing that out. I work in exactly the same way as you -
visiting the Google group website and just receiving a daily email
digest as a back up. I hadn't noticed that I'd stopped getting digests
- the last one was on 19 January. The missing ones are not in any of
my spam filters.

I worked my way - laboriously - through what Google laughingly calls
"Google Groups Help". Their only solution to missing emails seems to
be to recommend that you contact your ISP. The "Report a problem"
link led to a form for requesting content removal which started
"Please be advised that any requests submitted via these webforms that
are not legal in nature are unlikely to receive a response".

I was for a time a member of the Google Earth Private Beta forum, in
which the Google Earth developers were very active. Maybe our
moderators have access to a similar group where they could report the
problem, as it does seem to have started fairly recently and is
affecting quite a few people.

-- Tim L

On Jan 28, 9:55*pm, Jim Hart <jfsh... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> Dodi - In all these various comments about seen/unseen messages I had
> been thinking I had no problem. HOwever... I just realised I haven't
> had an email digest for quite a while.
>
> Ever since joining the Google groups version of Dixonary I have always
> opted to get the email digest of *messages rather than every message
> individually. Then if I wanted to participate/post/reply I would go to
> the group site and do it from there. Lately I've been logging onto the
> group site quite often so didn't notice that the digest, which used to
> arrive daily, hasn't been seen for a while.
>
> Perhaps Google in its infinite all-seeing wisdom knew which messages I
> had read via the groups site and decided I didn't need the digest. I
> checked my profile just in case but the setting is still the same.
>
> Jim
>
> On Jan 29, 1:27*am, Dodi Schultz <DodiSchu... (AT) nasw (DOT) org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I saw a message from Guerri about Google mail, sent about two and a half
> > hours ago. I saw another message from her, sent about half an hour ago, on
> > the same subject, replying to a comment from Jim, which had apparently been
> > sent in reply to her original message.
>
> > The message from Jim never got here. (Nor did the original round results
> > from Dan yesterday, which Tony never got either.)
>
> > SOMETHING is amiss . . .
>
> > Dodi

Dodi Schultz
January 29th, 2012, 08:29 AM
I've just received the message below, from Tim Lodge. I had never received
the message from Jim (replying to my earlier comment) that Tim quotes.

Tim and Jim are right. Something's radically wrong. I'm now wondering if a
new list of defs has yet been dispatched by Keith. Probably not, since
lately I see votes before I see lists of defs (if indeed I see the latter
at all), and I haven't seen any votes, either.

Actually, annoying as this is, I'm slightly relieved, in a way. It's THEM.
It's not me, or my ISP, or my e-mail software. :-)

—Dodi



On 1/29/2012 8:04 AM, Tim Lodge wrote:
> Jim
>
> Thanks for pointing that out. I work in exactly the same way as you -
> visiting the Google group website and just receiving a daily email
> digest as a back up. I hadn't noticed that I'd stopped getting digests
> - the last one was on 19 January. The missing ones are not in any of
> my spam filters.
>
> I worked my way - laboriously - through what Google laughingly calls
> "Google Groups Help". Their only solution to missing emails seems to
> be to recommend that you contact your ISP. The "Report a problem"
> link led to a form for requesting content removal which started
> "Please be advised that any requests submitted via these webforms that
> are not legal in nature are unlikely to receive a response".
>
> I was for a time a member of the Google Earth Private Beta forum, in
> which the Google Earth developers were very active. Maybe our
> moderators have access to a similar group where they could report the
> problem, as it does seem to have started fairly recently and is
> affecting quite a few people.
>
> -- Tim L
>
> On Jan 28, 9:55 pm, Jim Hart<jfsh... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
>> Dodi - In all these various comments about seen/unseen messages I had
>> been thinking I had no problem. HOwever... I just realised I haven't
>> had an email digest for quite a while.
>>
>> Ever since joining the Google groups version of Dixonary I have always
>> opted to get the email digest of messages rather than every message
>> individually. Then if I wanted to participate/post/reply I would go to
>> the group site and do it from there. Lately I've been logging onto the
>> group site quite often so didn't notice that the digest, which used to
>> arrive daily, hasn't been seen for a while.
>>
>> Perhaps Google in its infinite all-seeing wisdom knew which messages I
>> had read via the groups site and decided I didn't need the digest. I
>> checked my profile just in case but the setting is still the same.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> On Jan 29, 1:27 am, Dodi Schultz<DodiSchu... (AT) nasw (DOT) org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> I saw a message from Guerri about Google mail, sent about two and a half
>>> hours ago. I saw another message from her, sent about half an hour ago, on
>>> the same subject, replying to a comment from Jim, which had apparently been
>>> sent in reply to her original message.
>>> The message from Jim never got here. (Nor did the original round results
>>> from Dan yesterday, which Tony never got either.)
>>> SOMETHING is amiss . . .
>>> Dodi

Dodi Schultz
January 29th, 2012, 09:52 AM
From Dodi: I sent this earlier, but I see that the group site filed it
under a heading about Google mail and PDFs. (Yes, I'd sent it by "reply",
but I'd changed the subject line.) Since it's not about Google mail OR
PDFs, I'm sending it again; hopefully, it'll start a new thread with its
own subject.

Aaaaargh!


I've just received the message below, from Tim Lodge. I had never received
the message from Jim (replying to my earlier comment) that Tim quotes.

Tim and Jim are right. Something's radically wrong. I'm now wondering if a
new list of defs has yet been dispatched by Keith. Probably not, since
lately I see votes before I see lists of defs (if indeed I see the latter
at all), and I haven't seen any votes, either.

Actually, annoying as this is, I'm slightly relieved, in a way. It's THEM.
It's not me, or my ISP, or my e-mail software. :-)

—Dodi



On 1/29/2012 8:04 AM, Tim Lodge wrote:
> Jim
>
> Thanks for pointing that out. I work in exactly the same way as you -
> visiting the Google group website and just receiving a daily email
> digest as a back up. I hadn't noticed that I'd stopped getting digests
> - the last one was on 19 January. The missing ones are not in any of
> my spam filters.
>
> I worked my way - laboriously - through what Google laughingly calls
> "Google Groups Help". Their only solution to missing emails seems to
> be to recommend that you contact your ISP. The "Report a problem"
> link led to a form for requesting content removal which started
> "Please be advised that any requests submitted via these webforms that
> are not legal in nature are unlikely to receive a response".
>
> I was for a time a member of the Google Earth Private Beta forum, in
> which the Google Earth developers were very active. Maybe our
> moderators have access to a similar group where they could report the
> problem, as it does seem to have started fairly recently and is
> affecting quite a few people.
>
> -- Tim L
>
> On Jan 28, 9:55 pm, Jim Hart<jfsh... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
>> Dodi - In all these various comments about seen/unseen messages I had
>> been thinking I had no problem. HOwever... I just realised I haven't
>> had an email digest for quite a while.
>>
>> Ever since joining the Google groups version of Dixonary I have always
>> opted to get the email digest of messages rather than every message
>> individually. Then if I wanted to participate/post/reply I would go to
>> the group site and do it from there. Lately I've been logging onto the
>> group site quite often so didn't notice that the digest, which used to
>> arrive daily, hasn't been seen for a while.
>>
>> Perhaps Google in its infinite all-seeing wisdom knew which messages I
>> had read via the groups site and decided I didn't need the digest. I
>> checked my profile just in case but the setting is still the same.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> On Jan 29, 1:27 am, Dodi Schultz<DodiSchu... (AT) nasw (DOT) org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> I saw a message from Guerri about Google mail, sent about two and a half
>>> hours ago. I saw another message from her, sent about half an hour ago, on
>>> the same subject, replying to a comment from Jim, which had apparently been
>>> sent in reply to her original message.
>>> The message from Jim never got here. (Nor did the original round results
>>> from Dan yesterday, which Tony never got either.)
>>> SOMETHING is amiss . . .
>>> Dodi

Dodi Schultz
January 29th, 2012, 03:37 PM
I sent the message below to the group a while back; I think it was about 6+
hours ago. It should have come back to me. It didn't.

Has anyone yet seen a list of defs for round 2277? I haven't.

—Dodi

==========================================

I've just received the message below, from Tim Lodge. I had never received
the message from Jim (replying to my earlier comment) that Tim quotes.

Tim and Jim are right. Something's radically wrong. I'm now wondering if a
new list of defs has yet been dispatched by Keith. Probably not, since
lately I see votes before I see lists of defs (if indeed I see the latter
at all), and I haven't seen any votes, either.

Actually, annoying as this is, I'm slightly relieved, in a way. It's THEM.
It's not me, or my ISP, or my e-mail software. :-)

—Dodi



On 1/29/2012 8:04 AM, Tim Lodge wrote:
> Jim
>
> Thanks for pointing that out. I work in exactly the same way as you -
> visiting the Google group website and just receiving a daily email
> digest as a back up. I hadn't noticed that I'd stopped getting digests
> - the last one was on 19 January. The missing ones are not in any of
> my spam filters.
>
> I worked my way - laboriously - through what Google laughingly calls
> "Google Groups Help". Their only solution to missing emails seems to
> be to recommend that you contact your ISP. The "Report a problem"
> link led to a form for requesting content removal which started
> "Please be advised that any requests submitted via these webforms that
> are not legal in nature are unlikely to receive a response".
>
> I was for a time a member of the Google Earth Private Beta forum, in
> which the Google Earth developers were very active. Maybe our
> moderators have access to a similar group where they could report the
> problem, as it does seem to have started fairly recently and is
> affecting quite a few people.
>
> -- Tim L
>
> On Jan 28, 9:55 pm, Jim Hart<jfsh... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
>> Dodi - In all these various comments about seen/unseen messages I had
>> been thinking I had no problem. HOwever... I just realised I haven't
>> had an email digest for quite a while.
>>
>> Ever since joining the Google groups version of Dixonary I have always
>> opted to get the email digest of messages rather than every message
>> individually. Then if I wanted to participate/post/reply I would go to
>> the group site and do it from there. Lately I've been logging onto the
>> group site quite often so didn't notice that the digest, which used to
>> arrive daily, hasn't been seen for a while.
>>
>> Perhaps Google in its infinite all-seeing wisdom knew which messages I
>> had read via the groups site and decided I didn't need the digest. I
>> checked my profile just in case but the setting is still the same.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> On Jan 29, 1:27 am, Dodi Schultz<DodiSchu... (AT) nasw (DOT) org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> I saw a message from Guerri about Google mail, sent about two and a half
>>> hours ago. I saw another message from her, sent about half an hour ago, on
>>> the same subject, replying to a comment from Jim, which had apparently been
>>> sent in reply to her original message.
>>> The message from Jim never got here. (Nor did the original round results
>>> from Dan yesterday, which Tony never got either.)
>>> SOMETHING is amiss . . .
>>> Dodi

John Barrs
January 30th, 2012, 03:48 AM
Dodi

this message is late arriving becasue you sent it by compuserve and that
address needs active moderation to be posted - I moderated it about 10
minutes ago (about 04:35 your time) and it is now here

JohnnyB

On 29 January 2012 15:52, Dodi Schultz <schultz (AT) compuserve (DOT) com> wrote:

> From Dodi: I sent this earlier, but I see that the group site filed it
> under a heading about Google mail and PDFs. (Yes, I'd sent it by "reply",
> but I'd changed the subject line.) Since it's not about Google mail OR
> PDFs, I'm sending it again; hopefully, it'll start a new thread with its
> own subject.
>
> Aaaaargh!
>
>
> I've just received the message below, from Tim Lodge. I had never received
> the message from Jim (replying to my earlier comment) that Tim quotes.
>
> Tim and Jim are right. Something's radically wrong. I'm now wondering if a
> new list of defs has yet been dispatched by Keith. Probably not, since
> lately I see votes before I see lists of defs (if indeed I see the latter
> at all), and I haven't seen any votes, either.
>
> Actually, annoying as this is, I'm slightly relieved, in a way. It's THEM..
> It's not me, or my ISP, or my e-mail software. :-)
>
> —Dodi
>
>
>
> On 1/29/2012 8:04 AM, Tim Lodge wrote:
>
>> Jim
>>
>> Thanks for pointing that out. I work in exactly the same way as you -
>> visiting the Google group website and just receiving a daily email
>> digest as a back up. I hadn't noticed that I'd stopped getting digests
>> - the last one was on 19 January. The missing ones are not in any of
>> my spam filters.
>>
>> I worked my way - laboriously - through what Google laughingly calls
>> "Google Groups Help". Their only solution to missing emails seems to
>> be to recommend that you contact your ISP. The "Report a problem"
>> link led to a form for requesting content removal which started
>> "Please be advised that any requests submitted via these webforms that
>> are not legal in nature are unlikely to receive a response".
>>
>> I was for a time a member of the Google Earth Private Beta forum, in
>> which the Google Earth developers were very active. Maybe our
>> moderators have access to a similar group where they could report the
>> problem, as it does seem to have started fairly recently and is
>> affecting quite a few people.
>>
>> -- Tim L
>>
>> On Jan 28, 9:55 pm, Jim Hart<jfsh... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dodi - In all these various comments about seen/unseen messages I had
>>> been thinking I had no problem. HOwever... I just realised I haven't
>>> had an email digest for quite a while.
>>>
>>> Ever since joining the Google groups version of Dixonary I have always
>>> opted to get the email digest of messages rather than every message
>>> individually. Then if I wanted to participate/post/reply I would go to
>>> the group site and do it from there. Lately I've been logging onto the
>>> group site quite often so didn't notice that the digest, which used to
>>> arrive daily, hasn't been seen for a while.
>>>
>>> Perhaps Google in its infinite all-seeing wisdom knew which messages I
>>> had read via the groups site and decided I didn't need the digest. I
>>> checked my profile just in case but the setting is still the same.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> On Jan 29, 1:27 am, Dodi Schultz<DodiSchu... (AT) nasw (DOT) org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I saw a message from Guerri about Google mail, sent about two and a
>>>> half
>>>> hours ago. I saw another message from her, sent about half an hour
>>>> ago, on
>>>> the same subject, replying to a comment from Jim, which had apparently
>>>> been
>>>> sent in reply to her original message.
>>>> The message from Jim never got here. (Nor did the original round
>>>> results
>>>> from Dan yesterday, which Tony never got either.)
>>>> SOMETHING is amiss . . .
>>>> Dodi
>>>>
>>>
>
>

John Barrs
January 30th, 2012, 03:49 AM
Dodi

this message is late arriving becasue you sent it by compuserve and that
address needs active moderation to be posted - I moderated it about 10
minutes ago (about 04:35 your time) and it is now here

JohnnyB

On 29 January 2012 21:37, Dodi Schultz <schultz (AT) compuserve (DOT) com> wrote:

> I sent the message below to the group a while back; I think it was about
> 6+ hours ago. It should have come back to me. It didn't.
>
> Has anyone yet seen a list of defs for round 2277? I haven't.
>
> —Dodi
>
> ==============================**============
>
> I've just received the message below, from Tim Lodge. I had never received
> the message from Jim (replying to my earlier comment) that Tim quotes.
>
> Tim and Jim are right. Something's radically wrong. I'm now wondering if a
> new list of defs has yet been dispatched by Keith. Probably not, since
> lately I see votes before I see lists of defs (if indeed I see the latter
> at all), and I haven't seen any votes, either.
>
> Actually, annoying as this is, I'm slightly relieved, in a way. It's THEM..
> It's not me, or my ISP, or my e-mail software. :-)
>
> —Dodi
>
>
>
> On 1/29/2012 8:04 AM, Tim Lodge wrote:
>
>> Jim
>>
>> Thanks for pointing that out. I work in exactly the same way as you -
>> visiting the Google group website and just receiving a daily email
>> digest as a back up. I hadn't noticed that I'd stopped getting digests
>> - the last one was on 19 January. The missing ones are not in any of
>> my spam filters.
>>
>> I worked my way - laboriously - through what Google laughingly calls
>> "Google Groups Help". Their only solution to missing emails seems to
>> be to recommend that you contact your ISP. The "Report a problem"
>> link led to a form for requesting content removal which started
>> "Please be advised that any requests submitted via these webforms that
>> are not legal in nature are unlikely to receive a response".
>>
>> I was for a time a member of the Google Earth Private Beta forum, in
>> which the Google Earth developers were very active. Maybe our
>> moderators have access to a similar group where they could report the
>> problem, as it does seem to have started fairly recently and is
>> affecting quite a few people.
>>
>> -- Tim L
>>
>> On Jan 28, 9:55 pm, Jim Hart<jfsh... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dodi - In all these various comments about seen/unseen messages I had
>>> been thinking I had no problem. HOwever... I just realised I haven't
>>> had an email digest for quite a while.
>>>
>>> Ever since joining the Google groups version of Dixonary I have always
>>> opted to get the email digest of messages rather than every message
>>> individually. Then if I wanted to participate/post/reply I would go to
>>> the group site and do it from there. Lately I've been logging onto the
>>> group site quite often so didn't notice that the digest, which used to
>>> arrive daily, hasn't been seen for a while.
>>>
>>> Perhaps Google in its infinite all-seeing wisdom knew which messages I
>>> had read via the groups site and decided I didn't need the digest. I
>>> checked my profile just in case but the setting is still the same.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> On Jan 29, 1:27 am, Dodi Schultz<DodiSchu... (AT) nasw (DOT) org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I saw a message from Guerri about Google mail, sent about two and a
>>>> half
>>>> hours ago. I saw another message from her, sent about half an hour
>>>> ago, on
>>>> the same subject, replying to a comment from Jim, which had apparently
>>>> been
>>>> sent in reply to her original message.
>>>> The message from Jim never got here. (Nor did the original round
>>>> results
>>>> from Dan yesterday, which Tony never got either.)
>>>> SOMETHING is amiss . . .
>>>> Dodi
>>>>
>>>
>
>

Jim Hart
January 30th, 2012, 04:53 AM
Compuserve? Is it still in existence? I thought it went out with 14.4K
modems.

Jim

On Jan 30, 8:48*pm, John Barrs <johnnyba... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> Dodi
>
> this message is late arriving becasue you sent it by compuserve and that

France International/Mike Shefler
January 30th, 2012, 09:05 AM
No it's very much alive - I think it was bought by AOL. I've been using
CS since the days of 300 baud modems.

--Mike

On 1/30/2012 5:53 AM, Jim Hart wrote:
> Compuserve? Is it still in existence? I thought it went out with 14.4K
> modems.
>
> Jim
>
> On Jan 30, 8:48 pm, John Barrs<johnnyba... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
>> Dodi
>>
>> this message is late arriving becasue you sent it by compuserve and that
>
>
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