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Paul Keating
August 20th, 2011, 06:54 PM
We've just come back from Gamescom in Cologne, where we stayed in a
hotel that was built 100 years ago and is a fine example of the
architecture of the time, or will be, when they finish restoring it.

My wife was writing a review of the hotel and, pausing over a
particularly bad bit of Denglish, asked me "what's the proper English
for 'protected monument building'?" To which I replied, "Depends on
where you are. In England it would be a 'listed building' and in South
Africa it would be a 'national monument'. Haven't the faintest what
Americans would call it."

So, cousins, what do you call it, or is it a completely foreign
concept?

To save you all the trouble, Wikipedia says about the English version
"A listed building may not be demolished, extended or altered without
special permission from the local planning authority.... Owners of
listed buildings are, in some circumstances, compelled to repair and
maintain them and can face criminal prosecution if they fail to do so
or if they perform unauthorised alterations."

In Britain, depending on the degree of listedness, you might need to
consult the local authority even to repaint the facade the same colour
as it was before.

This is not just about such things as cathedrals and castles. In The
Hague there is even one square, Sweelinckplein
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Sweelinckplein,+Den+Haag,+Nederland&hl=en&ll=52.079875,4.289045&spn=0.037399,0.059996&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=48.956293,61.435547&vpsrc=6&t=h&z=14&layer=c&cbll=52.083159,4.283857&panoid=nYeiBAyPiGdWLvZ1qU17Jg&cbp=12,8.71,,0,0.17,
built in the 1890s, that consists of apartments and quiet offices,
where _every single building_ is protected. (I happen to know about
this one because that is where my dentist is.)

thejazzmonger
August 20th, 2011, 07:02 PM
There is a National Historical Registry that designates buildings, and even
some natural formations, that are subject to the same kind of restrictions.

There is also a National Monument designation which used quite often for
things that are not man-made, such as "a protected area" (e.g. Devil's
Tower).

On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 7:54 PM, Paul Keating <keating (AT) acm (DOT) org> wrote:

> We've just come back from Gamescom in Cologne, where we stayed in a
> hotel that was built 100 years ago and is a fine example of the
> architecture of the time, or will be, when they finish restoring it.
>
> My wife was writing a review of the hotel and, pausing over a
> particularly bad bit of Denglish, asked me "what's the proper English
> for 'protected monument building'?" To which I replied, "Depends on
> where you are. In England it would be a 'listed building' and in South
> Africa it would be a 'national monument'. Haven't the faintest what
> Americans would call it."
>
> So, cousins, what do you call it, or is it a completely foreign
> concept?
>
> To save you all the trouble, Wikipedia says about the English version
> "A listed building may not be demolished, extended or altered without
> special permission from the local planning authority.... Owners of
> listed buildings are, in some circumstances, compelled to repair and
> maintain them and can face criminal prosecution if they fail to do so
> or if they perform unauthorised alterations."
>
> In Britain, depending on the degree of listedness, you might need to
> consult the local authority even to repaint the facade the same colour
> as it was before.
>
> This is not just about such things as cathedrals and castles. In The
> Hague there is even one square, Sweelinckplein
>
> http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Sweelinckplein,+Den+Haag,+Nederland&hl=en&ll=52.079875,4.289045&spn=0.037399,0.059996&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=48.956293,61.435547&vpsrc=6&t=h&z=14&layer=c&cbll=52.083159,4.283857&panoid=nYeiBAyPiGdWLvZ1qU17Jg&cbp=12,8.71,,0,0.17
> ,
> built in the 1890s, that consists of apartments and quiet offices,
> where _every single building_ is protected. (I happen to know about
> this one because that is where my dentist is.)

Daniel Widdis
August 20th, 2011, 07:08 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Register_of_Historic_Places is the
USA version.

Like our country compared to the UK, it's a relatively recent invention.


--
Dan




On 8/20/11 4:54 PM, Paul Keating wrote:

>We've just come back from Gamescom in Cologne, where we stayed in a
>hotel that was built 100 years ago and is a fine example of the
>architecture of the time, or will be, when they finish restoring it.
>
>My wife was writing a review of the hotel and, pausing over a
>particularly bad bit of Denglish, asked me "what's the proper English
>for 'protected monument building'?" To which I replied, "Depends on
>where you are. In England it would be a 'listed building' and in South
>Africa it would be a 'national monument'. Haven't the faintest what
>Americans would call it."
>
>So, cousins, what do you call it, or is it a completely foreign
>concept?
>
>To save you all the trouble, Wikipedia says about the English version
>"A listed building may not be demolished, extended or altered without
>special permission from the local planning authority.... Owners of
>listed buildings are, in some circumstances, compelled to repair and
>maintain them and can face criminal prosecution if they fail to do so
>or if they perform unauthorised alterations."
>
>In Britain, depending on the degree of listedness, you might need to
>consult the local authority even to repaint the facade the same colour
>as it was before.
>
>This is not just about such things as cathedrals and castles. In The
>Hague there is even one square, Sweelinckplein
>http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Sweelinckplein,+Den+Haag,+Nederland&hl=en&ll
>=52.079875,4.289045&spn=0.037399,0.059996&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=48.9
>56293,61.435547&vpsrc=6&t=h&z=14&layer=c&cbll=52.083159,4.283857&panoid=nY
>eiBAyPiGdWLvZ1qU17Jg&cbp=12,8.71,,0,0.17,
>built in the 1890s, that consists of apartments and quiet offices,
>where _every single building_ is protected. (I happen to know about
>this one because that is where my dentist is.)

Dodi Schultz
August 20th, 2011, 08:18 PM
Daniel Widdis wrote:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Register_of_Historic_Places is the USA version.
>
> Like our country compared to the UK, it's a relatively recent invention.
>

And in NYC, where we do our very own thing and the mayor has turned
Times Square into a pedestrian mall, we have buildings designated as
Landmarks as well as whole areas designated as Historic Districts. I
live in one of the latter. An agency called the Landmarks Preservation
Commission is in charge of preserving.

—Dodi