View Full Version : [Dixonary] OT: Dixonary Google Group Settings
Guerri Stevens
June 21st, 2011, 01:23 PM
Has anyone besides me noticed a difference in the Group settings? I'm
talking about going directly into the group with your browser. I thought
that it was possible to set things up so that you signed in with one
Email address but could specify that messages should be delivered to a
different Email address. This is how I managed to get Google to send
messages I wrote back to me (so I could see that my votes had arrived,
for instance).
Another change: The Email address used to be just an identification, and
the password could be different from whatever you used to actually get
your Email.
It appears that now you have to have a Google account to sign up and you
log in with that account and its password.
--
Guerri
Jim Hart
June 21st, 2011, 07:07 PM
Guerri - I hadn't noticed any change but then I only use the one gmail
account and one password.
However, coincidentally this article just arrived from digital
inspiration which may be of interest to you - Tips for Using Multiple
Sign-in with Google Accounts
http://www.labnol.org/internet/google-multiple-signin/19631/
- Jim
Guerri Stevens
June 21st, 2011, 07:23 PM
Thanks for the information on multiple sign-ins. But that is not what I
am after. I rarely visit the group directly, but I had occasion recently
to do so in order to correct or try to correct a duplicate account (I
think I described this in another thread).
I was just surprised that what I remember, perhaps incorrectly, as a
more extensive choice of settings has been drastically reduced. And
apparently you have to have a Google account to join. I may simply not
be understanding the process, though.
Guerri
Jim Hart wrote:
> Guerri - I hadn't noticed any change but then I only use the one gmail
> account and one password.
>
> However, coincidentally this article just arrived from digital
> inspiration which may be of interest to you - Tips for Using Multiple
> Sign-in with Google Accounts
>
> http://www.labnol.org/internet/google-multiple-signin/19631/
>
> - Jim
>
>
>
>
>
—Keith Hale—
June 21st, 2011, 08:28 PM
Thanks Jim, that article shows how to do something i've wanted to do for a
long time. Trouble is, none of it works for me. Maybe my older version of
Firefox, but i get none of the options he writes about. (Actually i don't
have them in IE8 either.) ]C8
On 21 June 2011 19:07, Jim Hart <jfshart (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> Guerri - I hadn't noticed any change but then I only use the one gmail
> account and one password.
>
> However, coincidentally this article just arrived from digital
> inspiration which may be of interest to you - Tips for Using Multiple
> Sign-in with Google Accounts
>
> http://www.labnol.org/internet/google-multiple-signin/19631/
>
> - Jim
>
>
>
>
>
Guerri Stevens
June 22nd, 2011, 02:53 AM
GuerriTalking to myself...
As it turns out, I *am* remembering somewhat incorrectly. I thought you
could join, and ask for Email to be delivered to a *different* address.
Dan reminded me elsewhere that I actually joined under two different IDs
and had the second one send the mail. Duh!
Thanks Dan.
Guerri Stevens wrote:
> I was just surprised that what I remember, perhaps incorrectly, as a
> more extensive choice of settings has been drastically reduced. And
> apparently you have to have a Google account to join. I may simply not
> be understanding the process, though.
John Barrs
June 23rd, 2011, 04:06 AM
Nice idea, nice tip
--- unfortunately Google in its arrogant wisdom recently decided that you
may only have one email account open at once - and as they also formally
changed app accounts (eg my @john-barrs,co.uk accounts) to be real gmail
accounts then I may only have one email open at any one time --- which for
me is a real pita because I have gmail accounts, my own 'app' accounts and
two of my client 'app' accounts
As I say, this is a recent change by Google - maybe two or three weeks ago,
Up until then I used to have both my wife's and my gmail open (she uses my
machine, hers is kaput) and one of my own 'app' email open and probably one
of my clients' 'app' email open - in different tabs in firefox - I have just
tried and neither different windows of firefox, nor a firefox and an IE will
allow me to have different emails open, They say, "you are trying to sign in
as xxx.xyz / you are currently signed in as aaa.abc / do you want to
switch?"
Now, this 'only one at a time' email is true for Firefox (latest) and IE
(latest) under Windows 7. Multiple accounts maybe and probably is allowed
under Chrome, but I do not want to use yet another piece of software that I
do not particularly want to learn
JohnnyB
On 22 June 2011 01:07, Jim Hart <jfshart (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> Guerri - I hadn't noticed any change but then I only use the one gmail
> account and one password.
>
> However, coincidentally this article just arrived from digital
> inspiration which may be of interest to you - Tips for Using Multiple
> Sign-in with Google Accounts
>
> http://www.labnol.org/internet/google-multiple-signin/19631/
>
> - Jim
>
>
>
>
>
Guerri Stevens
June 23rd, 2011, 06:15 AM
Google is making a number of changes, not all desirable from my point of
view. One older change is the addition of Buzz. Both Google and Yahoo
have apparently decided to get into the social networking thing. What
irritates me about Buzz is that Google "in its arrogant wisdom" as you
put it, decided Buzz should be turned on by default. In my equally
arrogant opinion, new stuff should be OFF by default, and even things
that are not so new, like Buzz, should not be on by default. FWIW,
Google was sued over Buzz and there is a settlement. I wonder whether
Yahoo has also been sued.
Another apparent change that I can't confirm: when joining a group,
Google now insists that you join with a Google account. I am not sure
how that affects people who have already joined with non-Google Email
addresses. In addition, the password has to be the same as the Gmail
password. I may be wrong, but in the past the Email address was just an
identifier, and the password could be different from the one you'd use
to get your mail. I liked that method better. Even if you join with a
Gmail address, I'd like to use a different password.
There are other more trivial changes, such as not having "sign out" as a
menu item at the top of the screen in Gmail. It is now in a menu under
your name. Usually. I think that occasionally it *is* at the top, but I
haven't figured out what makes that happen. Google is evidently revising
the look and feel. Some of it makes no sense to me. Like the gear icon.
What is wrong with words when there is space for them? I guess the icon
is universal, no matter what your language, but presumably the menu
under it will still have to be in the appropriate language, so words
could still replace the icon.
--- end of rant ---
Guerri
John Barrs wrote:
> Nice idea, nice tip
>
> --- unfortunately Google in its arrogant wisdom recently decided that
> you may only have one email account open at once - and as they also
> formally changed app accounts (eg my @john-barrs,co.uk <http://co.uk>
> accounts) to be real gmail accounts then I may only have one email open
> at any one time --- which for me is a real pita because I have gmail
> accounts, my own 'app' accounts and two of my client 'app' accounts
> ...
John Barrs
June 23rd, 2011, 04:13 PM
Guerri
just one comment to yours
> What is wrong with words when there is space for them? I guess the icon is
universal, no matter what your language, but presumably the menu under it
will still have to be in the appropriate language, so words could still
replace the icon.
I *personally^ think that to use pretty pictures in an environment which is,
almost by definition, a word environment is perverse - but then, I am one
of those rare people who has no visual memory whatever. (all my memory is
verbal with word "tags" providing keys to my memories)
JohnnyB
On 23 June 2011 12:15, Guerri Stevens <guerri (AT) tapcis (DOT) com> wrote:
> Google is making a number of changes, not all desirable from my point of
> view. One older change is the addition of Buzz. Both Google and Yahoo have
> apparently decided to get into the social networking thing. What irritates
> me about Buzz is that Google "in its arrogant wisdom" as you put it, decided
> Buzz should be turned on by default. In my equally arrogant opinion, new
> stuff should be OFF by default, and even things that are not so new, like
> Buzz, should not be on by default. FWIW, Google was sued over Buzz and there
> is a settlement. I wonder whether Yahoo has also been sued.
>
> Another apparent change that I can't confirm: when joining a group, Google
> now insists that you join with a Google account. I am not sure how that
> affects people who have already joined with non-Google Email addresses. In
> addition, the password has to be the same as the Gmail password. I may be
> wrong, but in the past the Email address was just an identifier, and the
> password could be different from the one you'd use to get your mail. I liked
> that method better. Even if you join with a Gmail address, I'd like to use a
> different password.
>
> There are other more trivial changes, such as not having "sign out" as a
> menu item at the top of the screen in Gmail. It is now in a menu under your
> name. Usually. I think that occasionally it *is* at the top, but I haven't
> figured out what makes that happen. Google is evidently revising the look
> and feel. Some of it makes no sense to me. Like the gear icon. What is wrong
> with words when there is space for them? I guess the icon is universal, no
> matter what your language, but presumably the menu under it will still have
> to be in the appropriate language, so words could still replace the icon.
>
> --- end of rant ---
> Guerri
>
> John Barrs wrote:
>
>> Nice idea, nice tip
>>
>> --- unfortunately Google in its arrogant wisdom recently decided that you
>> may only have one email account open at once - and as they also formally
>> changed app accounts (eg my @john-barrs,co.uk <http://co.uk> accounts) to
>> be real gmail accounts then I may only have one email open at any one time
>> --- which for me is a real pita because I have gmail accounts, my own 'app'
>> accounts and two of my client 'app' accounts
>> ...
>>
>
>
>
Guerri Stevens
June 23rd, 2011, 08:04 PM
I suspect I too am also mostly a verbal person. I had never thought
about it, but I was talking to one of the mothers at the rink where I
skate, and she said something about her daughter's learning habits
(there are a lot of home schoolers here) and it struck home for me. Each
year those of us who are taking lessons get to participate in the
holiday show. And I find I have to have the choreography written out,
whereas most of the others seem to pick it up by watching. Once I've got
it, I can usually assimilate the changes without having the thing
rewritten. Which is lucky because sometimes there are changes right up
until we head out onto the ice for the performance.
Guerri
John Barrs wrote:
> Guerri
>
> just one comment to yours
>
> > What is wrong with words when there is space for them? I guess the
> icon is universal, no matter what your language, but presumably the menu
> under it will still have to be in the appropriate language, so words
> could still replace the icon.
>
> I *personally^ think that to use pretty pictures in an environment which
> is, almost by definition, a word environment is perverse - but then, I
> am one of those rare people who has no visual memory whatever. (all my
> memory is verbal with word "tags" providing keys to my memories)
—Keith Hale—
June 23rd, 2011, 09:04 PM
Re learning styles: i'm statistically non-existent.
{{What follows is "—Keith Hale— Trivia" - please feel free to skip it
completely!}}
Modalities are usually Visual - Auditory - Kinaesthetic, sometimes the first
two are swapped, Kinaesthetic is almost NEVER primary. Me? 1>Kinaesthetic,
2>Kinaesthetic, 3>Kinaesthetic.
And visual is dead last, which people never believe because i am a visual
artist.
Analogy i use: in High School i surveyed the members of the Competitive
Speech Team (myself included) - and more than 80% had speech impediments
growing up (or like me, still do).
You have to work extra at something, SOMEtimes you get to like it, and
SOMEtime you get really good at it.
But, i have such a boatload of mental illnesses and the like i could use up
all the ink of the internet. Autism Spectrum (what they used to call
"High-Functioning") - ADD (no H, although it's all lumped into ADHD now) -
dyscalculia (dyslexia, only with numbers)... i could go on, but i
shan't. These differences are a large part of what makes me odd and
rather unique, and at almost a half century of years old, nobody wants to
fix any of it. [C8
Oh, "Verbal" - yeah, i approach verbal AND visual matters by way of the
Kinaesthetic modality. Example - i have perfect pitch, but i have to slide
my vocal cords just right to make the note, - like a trombonist. My visual
memory is so bad, i think that is why i use a broad range of saturated
colours in my 2D art --- and oddly almost greyscale in my glass and
sculpture.
{{Thanks for reading. I clipped it as short as my Autistic fascinations
would allow me to!}}
—Keith—
• PS should i have started a new OT thread?
On 23 June 2011 20:04, Guerri Stevens <guerri (AT) tapcis (DOT) com> wrote:
> I suspect I too am also mostly a verbal person. I had never thought about
> it, but I was talking to one of the mothers at the rink where I skate, and
> she said something about her daughter's learning habits (there are a lot of
> home schoolers here) and it struck home for me. Each year those of us who
> are taking lessons get to participate in the holiday show. And I find I have
> to have the choreography written out, whereas most of the others seem to
> pick it up by watching. Once I've got it, I can usually assimilate the
> changes without having the thing rewritten. Which is lucky because sometimes
> there are changes right up until we head out onto the ice for the
> performance.
>
> Guerri
>
>
> John Barrs wrote:
>
>> Guerri
>>
>> just one comment to yours
>>
>> > What is wrong with words when there is space for them? I guess the icon
>> is universal, no matter what your language, but presumably the menu under it
>> will still have to be in the appropriate language, so words could still
>> replace the icon.
>>
>> I *personally^ think that to use pretty pictures in an environment which
>> is, almost by definition, a word environment is perverse - but then, I am
>> one of those rare people who has no visual memory whatever. (all my memory
>> is verbal with word "tags" providing keys to my memories)
>>
>
>
>
John Barrs
June 24th, 2011, 05:29 AM
Keith
kinaesthesia - I am not sure exactly what that involves/implies, the OED
definition seems hardly sufficient to build up into your explained
experiences
a comment re discalculia - I am not sure exactly what it might imply.(and I
suspect that all those sort of terms are broad band spectra rather that
specific wavelengths or colours). I was always good at "mental arithmetic"
(we were taught by being expected to leap to our feet and answer "6 * 8"
thrown at us whatever the actual lesson we were involved in - or even during
lunch time) but I hated "problems" - if it takes two men three days to ...
etc" and when at 13 when I discovered algebra I was overjoyed and released.
No more numbers! I almost read Maths at university for a first degree.and as
a postgrad I did do two maths modules to enable me to understand one
particular research paper (Leastways,It was a really difficult grind to get
back into it after 5 years away but I did 2/3 of each module then the Maths
professor was very wise and kicked me out just as I began to enjoy it and
become excited about it because he said I needed merely to explain it to my
colleagues, not to be able to extend the maths - "you'll start talking
mathematics. which will be just as incomprehensible to them as the original
paper was to you")
I still can't "do" numbers, I hate PIN and have to have them written
down.which explicitly removes the purpose of them - I write them on the card
where my signature used to be required!!! and I still throw people by
asking them if they will check a phone number they have just given me when I
read it backwards to them - I don't trust my eyes to see what I actually
wrote down as opposed to what my memory says I wrote down.
JohnnyB
On 24 June 2011 03:04, —Keith Hale— <thoughtstorms (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> Re learning styles: i'm statistically non-existent.
>
> {{What follows is "—Keith Hale— Trivia" - please feel free to skip it
> completely!}}
>
> Modalities are usually Visual - Auditory - Kinaesthetic, sometimes the
> first two are swapped, Kinaesthetic is almost NEVER primary. Me?
> 1>Kinaesthetic, 2>Kinaesthetic, 3>Kinaesthetic.
>
> And visual is dead last, which people never believe because i am a visual
> artist.
> Analogy i use: in High School i surveyed the members of the Competitive
> Speech Team (myself included) - and more than 80% had speech impediments
> growing up (or like me, still do).
> You have to work extra at something, SOMEtimes you get to like it, and
> SOMEtime you get really good at it.
>
> But, i have such a boatload of mental illnesses and the like i could use up
> all the ink of the internet. Autism Spectrum (what they used to call
> "High-Functioning") - ADD (no H, although it's all lumped into ADHD now) -
> dyscalculia (dyslexia, only with numbers)... i could go on, but i
> shan't. These differences are a large part of what makes me odd and
> rather unique, and at almost a half century of years old, nobody wants to
> fix any of it. [C8
>
> Oh, "Verbal" - yeah, i approach verbal AND visual matters by way of the
> Kinaesthetic modality. Example - i have perfect pitch, but i have to slide
> my vocal cords just right to make the note, - like a trombonist. My visual
> memory is so bad, i think that is why i use a broad range of saturated
> colours in my 2D art --- and oddly almost greyscale in my glass and
> sculpture.
>
> {{Thanks for reading. I clipped it as short as my Autistic fascinations
> would allow me to!}}
> —Keith—
>
> • PS should i have started a new OT thread?
>
>
>
>
> On 23 June 2011 20:04, Guerri Stevens <guerri (AT) tapcis (DOT) com> wrote:
>
>> I suspect I too am also mostly a verbal person. I had never thought about
>> it, but I was talking to one of the mothers at the rink where I skate, and
>> she said something about her daughter's learning habits (there are a lot of
>> home schoolers here) and it struck home for me. Each year those of us who
>> are taking lessons get to participate in the holiday show. And I find I have
>> to have the choreography written out, whereas most of the others seem to
>> pick it up by watching. Once I've got it, I can usually assimilate the
>> changes without having the thing rewritten. Which is lucky because sometimes
>> there are changes right up until we head out onto the ice for the
>> performance.
>>
>> Guerri
>>
>>
>> John Barrs wrote:
>>
>>> Guerri
>>>
>>> just one comment to yours
>>>
>>> > What is wrong with words when there is space for them? I guess the
>>> icon is universal, no matter what your language, but presumably the menu
>>> under it will still have to be in the appropriate language, so words could
>>> still replace the icon.
>>>
>>> I *personally^ think that to use pretty pictures in an environment which
>>> is, almost by definition, a word environment is perverse - but then, I am
>>> one of those rare people who has no visual memory whatever. (all my memory
>>> is verbal with word "tags" providing keys to my memories)
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
—Keith Hale—
June 24th, 2011, 10:59 PM
Ah. There may be a very similar word, i am speaking of the sensory modality
of movement. A la proprioception. Also including touch \ temperature \
texture .....
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/kinaesthesia?view=uk :::::
awareness of the position and movement of the parts of the body by means of
sensory organs (proprioceptors) in the muscles and joints.
On 24 June 2011 05:29, John Barrs <johnnybarrs (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> Keith
>
> kinaesthesia - I am not sure exactly what that involves/implies, the OED
> definition seems hardly sufficient to build up into your explained
> experiences
>
Trying to be brief, i skipped some qualifiers. The sensory modality isn't
directly related to the other matters.
> a comment re discalculia - I am not sure exactly what it might imply.(and I
> suspect that all those sort of terms are broad band spectra rather that
> specific wavelengths or colours). I was always good at "mental arithmetic"
> (we were taught by being expected to leap to our feet and answer "6 * 8"
> thrown at us whatever the actual lesson we were involved in - or even during
> lunch time) but I hated "problems" - if it takes two men three days to ....
> etc" and when at 13 when I discovered algebra I was overjoyed and released.
> No more numbers! I almost read Maths at university for a first degree.and as
> a postgrad I did do two maths modules to enable me to understand one
> particular research paper (Leastways,It was a really difficult grind to get
> back into it after 5 years away but I did 2/3 of each module then the Maths
> professor was very wise and kicked me out just as I began to enjoy it and
> become excited about it because he said I needed merely to explain it to my
> colleagues, not to be able to extend the maths - "you'll start talking
> mathematics. which will be just as incomprehensible to them as the original
> paper was to you")
> I still can't "do" numbers, I hate PIN and have to have them written
> down.which explicitly removes the purpose of them - I write them on the card
> where my signature used to be required!!! and I still throw people by
> asking them if they will check a phone number they have just given me when I
> read it backwards to them - I don't trust my eyes to see what I actually
> wrote down as opposed to what my memory says I wrote down.
>
That all sounds like dyscalculia to me. Mine is very much like that - and i
adored my college courses on Logic and Symbolic Logic! Maths sans numbers,
indeed! I call it "A love-hate relationship: I love Math* - it hates me."
(*In America no one seems to understand the correctly plural "maths" - yet
"Mathematics" without the s would be equally abhorrent.)
One way we differ - i do fine with PINs ... and with combination locks
(preferably key pad types, not the dial kind) - because my "hand can
remember" how to punch in the numbers. When phones were still "dumb" i
could tell you my phone number, but i had to press buttons on a phantom
phone, or i went to a great deal of trouble to get a number that spelled out
something to remember it.
I wish ALL locks could be keypad combinations. This is because i despise
keys and all that they stand for. (A disgust like the other side of the
coin from my autistic fascinations.) They break, they get lost, they bend,
they drop down elevator shafts (twice), they aren't made right to begin
with, they dig into your flesh when in your pocket ... and now that my
vision is going properly due South, they are hard to get into the lock! I
could rant on, but i'll spare us all. But because doors with keypads equal
one less hated key to carry and deal with - i seem to find ways to solve my
lack of memory for numbers, and always with a proprioception slant.
My brother is dyslexic, and i always thought i had the same with numbers,
but was about 30 when i finally learnt there was really such a thing, and i
had it. My years as a ham actor would have been much tougher with actual
dyslexia, so i am grateful to have been spared that!
—Keith—
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