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Dave Cunningham
April 24th, 2011, 07:39 PM
Happy Holidays to all -- and I present 16 possible definitions for
TATHATA. Vote for two hereof before 7 a.m. EDT on Tuesday.



1. a hedgerow, esp. one by a ditch

2. a kind of silken thread.

3. an Indonesian weaving tradition.

4. a tassel or knotting at the edge of a rug or mat

5. colourful Scandinavian knotted-pile rug.

6. a ceremonial mask worn by mystics of the Berber tribes

7. a knotted silk wall hanging.

8. an Israeli variety of white wine grape, sometimes identified
with chenin blanc

9. a Middle Eastern cake made of almond flour

10. small, traditional Russian pancakes made from cheese curd and
tapioca starch

11. a paste of fish roe, olive oil, lemon juice, and potatoes or
moistened bread crumbs

12. one of the 108 names of Lord Rama, a Hindu avatar

13. the ultimate inexpressible nature of all things (Buddhism)

14. filth, rubbish, manure [Old Norse. superlative of _tat_]

15. A hackneyed phrase or saying

16. a grass skirt.


Dave
DQ, DF

Judy Madnick
April 24th, 2011, 07:56 PM
9 and 10.

Judy Madnick

Sent from my iPod

Steve Graham
April 24th, 2011, 11:14 PM
7 and 9 please

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 24, 2011, at 17:39, Dave Cunningham <cunn5393 (AT) bellsouth (DOT) net> wrote:

> Happy Holidays to all -- and I present 16 possible definitions for
> TATHATA. Vote for two hereof before 7 a.m. EDT on Tuesday.
>
>
>
> 1. a hedgerow, esp. one by a ditch
>
> 2. a kind of silken thread.
>
> 3. an Indonesian weaving tradition.
>
> 4. a tassel or knotting at the edge of a rug or mat
>
> 5. colourful Scandinavian knotted-pile rug.
>
> 6. a ceremonial mask worn by mystics of the Berber tribes
>
> 7. a knotted silk wall hanging.
>
> 8. an Israeli variety of white wine grape, sometimes identified
> with chenin blanc
>
> 9. a Middle Eastern cake made of almond flour
>
> 10. small, traditional Russian pancakes made from cheese curd and
> tapioca starch
>
> 11. a paste of fish roe, olive oil, lemon juice, and potatoes or
> moistened bread crumbs
>
> 12. one of the 108 names of Lord Rama, a Hindu avatar
>
> 13. the ultimate inexpressible nature of all things (Buddhism)
>
> 14. filth, rubbish, manure [Old Norse. superlative of _tat_]
>
> 15. A hackneyed phrase or saying
>
> 16. a grass skirt.
>
>
> Dave
> DQ, DF
>

Dodi Schultz
April 24th, 2011, 11:30 PM
What I've received so far:

==> Judy's votes, about 3.5 hours ago.

==> Steve's votes, about 15 minutes ago.

==> NO original list of defs.

—Dodi

(NEVER rec'd results of last round.)

Daniel Widdis
April 24th, 2011, 11:33 PM
All are nicely threaded at http://tapcis.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=5
which might be a good thing to bookmark and visit when your email provider
doesn't receive the same definitions as other list subscribers.

--
Dan


On 4/24/11 9:30 PM, Dodi Schultz wrote:

>
> What I've received so far:
>
> ==> Judy's votes, about 3.5 hours ago.
>
> ==> Steve's votes, about 15 minutes ago.
>
> ==> NO original list of defs.
>
> ‹Dodi
>
> (NEVER rec'd results of last round.)

Millie Morgan
April 24th, 2011, 11:34 PM
3 and 11 thanks Dave

> 3. an Indonesian weaving tradition.
> 11. a paste of fish roe, olive oil, lemon juice, and potatoes or
> moistened bread crumbs


- - Millie

Daniel Widdis
April 24th, 2011, 11:55 PM
11 and 14 please

--
Dan

Dodi Schultz
April 25th, 2011, 12:27 AM
Please note that Tony has just confirmed that, like me, he has ALSO not
received the list of defs from Dave but has seen votes from some other
players.

If I can't play by e-mail, I'm afraid I won't be playing at all. For me,
it just doesn't make sense to have to remember to visit a website
repeatedly to find a list of defs, learn the results of a round, and so on.

—Dodi

—Keith Hale—
April 25th, 2011, 12:58 AM
Thanks Dave, for dealing, and i'm sure sorry to see more e-mail troubles!
*
Possible *work-around for those not getting the e-mails, subscribe
with a *different
free-mail address*, and then have your main account pull all those emails?
I know g-mail will "pull" as well as push, i think most of them will
forward. With two different domains (like hotmail and blazemail for
example, i'd be amazed if these odd delivery gremlins would continue. Just
a thought. [Freemail sites include goowy.com, gmx.com, hotmail.com, msn.com
yahoo.com, lycos.com.....]

*Back to TATHATA; *interesting clumps of textile\carpeting (Berber carpet)
and food\drink defs! Add in a couple of rubbish\bosh and an ubiquitous
skirt, and we have ourselves a round of Dixonary! [C8

*For my vote, i will take 1 &* *12*

1. a hedgerow, esp. one by a ditch
> 12. one of the 108 names of Lord Rama, a Hindu avatar
>

Tim B
April 25th, 2011, 03:11 AM
3 and 4, please.

Best wishes,
Tim B.

Paul Keating
April 25th, 2011, 03:12 AM
That workaround is already a possibility for every player, since every player has a Google mail address, and of all possible mailservers, Google mail is unlikeliest to refuse to accept mail from a Google group. I have all my other addresses forward to gmail and pick my my mail up from there.

From: —Keith Hale—
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 7:58 AM
To: dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com
Subject: Re: [Dixonary] TATHATA defs

Thanks Dave, for dealing, and i'm sure sorry to see more e-mail troubles!

Possible work-around for those not getting the e-mails, subscribe with a different free-mail address, and then have your main account pull all those emails? I know g-mail will "pull" as well as push, i think most of them will forward. With two different domains (like hotmail and blazemail for example, i'd be amazed if these odd delivery gremlins would continue. Just a thought. [Freemail sites include goowy.com, gmx.com, hotmail.com, msn.com yahoo.com, lycos.com.....]

Back to TATHATA; interesting clumps of textile\carpeting (Berber carpet) and food\drink defs! Add in a couple of rubbish\bosh and an ubiquitous skirt, and we have ourselves a round of Dixonary! [C8

For my vote, i will take 1 & 12


1. a hedgerow, esp. one by a ditch
12. one of the 108 names of Lord Rama, a Hindu avatar

Tim Lodge
April 25th, 2011, 03:49 AM
I vote for:

> *11. *a paste of fish roe, olive oil, lemon juice, and potatoes or
> moistened bread crumbs
>
> *15. *A hackneyed phrase or saying

-- Tim L

Guerri Stevens
April 25th, 2011, 05:46 AM
I vote for 6 and 13.

Guerri

Dave Cunningham wrote:
>
> 6. a ceremonial mask worn by mystics of the Berber tribes
>
> 13. the ultimate inexpressible nature of all things (Buddhism)

Guerri Stevens
April 25th, 2011, 05:54 AM
The weird thing is that Dodi and Tony are getting *some* messages, and
not others. Is there something different about the messages they are not
getting?

Guerri

Paul Keating wrote:
> That workaround is already a possibility for every player, since every
> player has a Google mail address, and of all possible mailservers,
> Google mail is unlikeliest to refuse to accept mail from a Google group.
> I have all my other addresses forward to gmail and pick my my mail up
> from there.

Jim Hart
April 25th, 2011, 06:46 AM
So many textiley and foody defs I'll take one of each - 7 and 9

Jim

Matthew
April 25th, 2011, 06:56 AM
My votes go to:

1. *a hedgerow, esp. one by a ditch

and

4. *a tassel or knotting at the edge of a rug or mat

--Matthew Grieco

stamps
April 25th, 2011, 09:06 AM
13 & 14 seem to go together.

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---------- Original Message -----------
From: Dave Cunningham <cunn5393 (AT) bellsouth (DOT) net>
To: Dixonary <dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com>
Sent: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 17:39:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Dixonary] TATHATA defs

> Happy Holidays to all -- and I present 16 possible definitions for
> TATHATA. Vote for two hereof before 7 a.m. EDT on Tuesday.
>
> 1. a hedgerow, esp. one by a ditch
>
> 2. a kind of silken thread.
>
> 3. an Indonesian weaving tradition.
>
> 4. a tassel or knotting at the edge of a rug or mat
>
> 5. colourful Scandinavian knotted-pile rug.
>
> 6. a ceremonial mask worn by mystics of the Berber tribes
>
> 7. a knotted silk wall hanging.
>
> 8. an Israeli variety of white wine grape, sometimes identified
> with chenin blanc
>
> 9. a Middle Eastern cake made of almond flour
>
> 10. small, traditional Russian pancakes made from cheese curd and
> tapioca starch
>
> 11. a paste of fish roe, olive oil, lemon juice, and potatoes or
> moistened bread crumbs
>
> 12. one of the 108 names of Lord Rama, a Hindu avatar
>
> 13. the ultimate inexpressible nature of all things (Buddhism)
>
> 14. filth, rubbish, manure [Old Norse. superlative of _tat_]
>
> 15. A hackneyed phrase or saying
>
> 16. a grass skirt.
>
> Dave
> DQ, DF
------- End of Original Message -------

Christopher Carson
April 25th, 2011, 09:43 AM
Now that's a tough list. I'm going to toss points to the authors of numbers
15 and 16 just because.

Chris

P.S. I've received all of the messages in this round so far as well as the
'Something is amiss' thread. Just as a point of information, I have my
group settings to read by email and my email address set as my Microsoft
Live Mail (aka hotmail) account.

CC

EnDash@aol.com
April 25th, 2011, 10:11 AM
I have no gmail or Google mail address and wasn't planning to get one.
-- Dick


In a message dated 4/25/2011 4:16:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pjakeating (AT) gmail (DOT) com writes:

That workaround is already a possibility for every player, since every
player has a Google mail address, and of all possible mailservers, Google mail
is unlikeliest to refuse to accept mail from a Google group. I have all my
other addresses forward to gmail and pick my my mail up from there.

EnDash@aol.com
April 25th, 2011, 10:31 AM
I'll take a stab at numbers 3 and 13.

And I must say that it appears the problem everyone is so busy discussing
may not exist at all. Regardless of mail system, it seems that none of us
received the 2199 rolling scores simply because they haven't yet been sent.

-- Dick


In a message dated 4/24/2011 8:39:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
cunn5393 (AT) bellsouth (DOT) net writes:

Happy Holidays to all -- and I present 16 possible definitions for
TATHATA. Vote for two hereof before 7 a.m. EDT on Tuesday.



1. a hedgerow, esp. one by a ditch

2. a kind of silken thread.

3. an Indonesian weaving tradition.

4. a tassel or knotting at the edge of a rug or mat

5. colourful Scandinavian knotted-pile rug.

6. a ceremonial mask worn by mystics of the Berber tribes

7. a knotted silk wall hanging.

8. an Israeli variety of white wine grape, sometimes identified
with chenin blanc

9. a Middle Eastern cake made of almond flour

10. small, traditional Russian pancakes made from cheese curd and
tapioca starch

11. a paste of fish roe, olive oil, lemon juice, and potatoes or
moistened bread crumbs

12. one of the 108 names of Lord Rama, a Hindu avatar

13. the ultimate inexpressible nature of all things (Buddhism)

14. filth, rubbish, manure [Old Norse. superlative of _tat_]

15. A hackneyed phrase or saying

16. a grass skirt.


Dave
DQ, DF

Dodi Schultz
April 25th, 2011, 11:08 AM
Dick Weltz wrote:

> I have no gmail or Google mail address and wasn't planning to get one.
> -- Dick

Same here.

—Dodi

Daniel Widdis
April 25th, 2011, 01:32 PM
On 4/24/11 10:27 PM, Dodi Schultz wrote:

> If I can't play by e-mail, I'm afraid I won't be playing at all. For me,
> it just doesn't make sense to have to remember to visit a website
> repeatedly to find a list of defs, learn the results of a round, and so on.

The internet is not perfect, and we all suffer from the occasional missed or
delayed email message, particularly when dealing with large and free mailing
list providers.

Since we moved the game to Google Groups about 4 years ago, there have been
15568 messages sent. We've had the occasional complaints from a few players
of lack of receipt: let's be generous and say it's happened about 100 times.
That means that 99.4% of messages are successfully delivered to all players.

While not perfect, this seems far from "can't play by email". Especially
given that multiple postings per round (replies to new word postings, status
updates, and votes in response to the def list posting) make the chances of
entirely missing a round quite remote. Visiting a website repeatedly is
unnecessary, it's a simple few mouse clicks away in the rare occasions that
one suspects one might have missed a message.

We have collectively gone to great lengths to make this game playable by as
many alternatives as possible including email (primary) or viewing it on the
web at multiple sites. There's not very much we can do to troubleshoot
occasional email delivery problems to only a few domains. All we can do is
suggest alternate ways to try to receive the messages if your ISP or some
anti-spam router between Google and your ISP is picky about the game
postings.

Ultimately at the end of the day, it's each player's decision on whether
99.4% of email messages are good enough to play the game.

--
Dan

Tony Abell
April 25th, 2011, 03:43 PM
This is a tough call. I'll throw my votes to the weave and skirt, 3 and 16:


3. an Indonesian weaving tradition.

16. a grass skirt.

Dodi Schultz
April 25th, 2011, 10:52 PM
2 and 11

—Dodi

Paul Keating
April 26th, 2011, 11:43 AM
A lot of mailserver owners subscribe to a spam blacklist service. An IP address or a domain generally stays on the blacklist for 24 or 48 hours. After that the mail starts coming through again.

The blacklisted mailserver is generally entirely innocent. It might have got on the list because two SpamCop subscribers incorrectly identified an email as spam within a few hours. They are just ordinary computer users and they can and do make mistakes. It might be that someone's computer fell victim to a trojan and got turned into a spambot. Big ISPs will of course notice the spam emanating from one of their customers and immediately respond by closing the account, but by that time the mailserver has already landed on a blacklist.

Some mailservers will send a polite message back saying that they have blocked the mail because the sending server is on a blacklist. I received two such refusals in recent rounds that Mike Shefler dealt, and because they ended up in my spam filter, I didn’t see them until it was too late.

But even those mailservers won't send a message to a list.

P

-----Original Message-----
From: Guerri Stevens
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 12:54 PM
To: dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com
Subject: Re: [Dixonary] TATHATA defs

The weird thing is that Dodi and Tony are getting *some* messages, and
not others. Is there something different about the messages they are not
getting?

Guerri

Paul Keating wrote:
> That workaround is already a possibility for every player, since every
> player has a Google mail address, and of all possible mailservers,
> Google mail is unlikeliest to refuse to accept mail from a Google group.
> I have all my other addresses forward to gmail and pick my my mail up
> from there.

Tony Abell
April 26th, 2011, 03:03 PM
On 2011-04-26 at 12:43 Paul Keating wrote:

> A lot of mailserver owners subscribe to a spam blacklist service. An IP
> address or a domain generally stays on the blacklist for 24 or 48 hours.
> After that the mail starts coming through again.

Is my face red!

Earlier I went and said I controlled the receiving SMTP server for
isanybodyhome.com and that there was no spam filtering on that account. Well,
that account is not subject to SpamAssasin filtering, true enough (others
are), but I forgot all about the SpamCop blacklist filter that affects the
entire server. Normally, that stops relatively little spam and I've never
noticed any missing mail on account of it before, so I forgot about it.

But Paul's comment reminded me, so I checked it out. Sure enough, I can see in
the server logs that two Google addresses were blocked by my server:
209.85.216.57 and 209.85.216.185. The blocking started on 22 April and
continues to the present. It seems likely that occasionally (but not usually),
one of those two blocked servers handles our list mail. Maybe Paul or someone
can tell us which IPs were the source of the missing messages. A whole slew of
Google's servers' IP addresses are currently blocked in the range
209.85.215.63 to 209.85.216.202.

The reason only Dodi and I are missing mail is because only our servers
happen to be using the SpamCop blacklist. The bad news is that we have no
control over the blacklisting or which servers send out our list mail.

Here's the SpamCop explanation for the Google IPs:

Causes of listing

* System has sent mail to SpamCop spam traps in the past week (spam traps
are secret, no reports or evidence are provided by SpamCop)

* SpamCop users have reported system as a source of spam less than 10
times in the past week

http://spamcop.net/w3m?action=checkblock&ip=209.85.216.57

Dodi Schultz
April 26th, 2011, 06:51 PM
Tony Abell wrote:

> Earlier I went and said I controlled the receiving SMTP server for
> isanybodyhome.com and that there was no spam filtering on that account. Well,
> that account is not subject to SpamAssasin filtering, true enough (others
> are), but I forgot all about the SpamCop blacklist filter that affects the
> entire server. Normally, that stops relatively little spam and I've never
> noticed any missing mail on account of it before, so I forgot about it.
>
> But Paul's comment reminded me, so I checked it out. Sure enough, I can see in
> the server logs that two Google addresses were blocked by my server:
> 209.85.216.57 and 209.85.216.185. The blocking started on 22 April and
> continues to the present. It seems likely that occasionally (but not usually),
> one of those two blocked servers handles our list mail. Maybe Paul or someone
> can tell us which IPs were the source of the missing messages. A whole slew of
> Google's servers' IP addresses are currently blocked in the range
> 209.85.215.63 to 209.85.216.202.
>
> The reason only Dodi and I are missing mail is because only our servers
> happen to be using the SpamCop blacklist.

Huh? So how come we got Matthew's list of defs for round 2199 but not
the results of the round, and on round 2200 we didn't get Dave's list of
defs but did get the results he sent? And we GOT (AFAIK) all other
Dixonary stuff. I don't get it.

—Dodi

Daniel Widdis
April 26th, 2011, 07:07 PM
On 4/26/11 4:51 PM, "Dodi Schultz" <DodiSchultz (AT) nasw (DOT) org> wrote:

>
>Huh? So how come we got Matthew's list of defs for round 2199 but not
>the results of the round, and on round 2200 we didn't get Dave's list of
>defs but did get the results he sent? And we GOT (AFAIK) all other
>Dixonary stuff. I don't get it.

1. Stuff mailed over the internet doesn't take the same path every time.
Like a taxi in NYC it will take whatever streets are fastest.

2. Some people have reported spam coming from certain addresses. These
happen to have gone through routers belonging to google and are on
someone's black list. Imagine intersections full of cans of spam, and
when taxicabs enter them, they just stop (and eat?)

3. All list emails are dispatched via a variety of servers (roads) to
various recipients. Those to you and Tony are more likely to hit the big
cans of spam. Not all will do so, but some (apparently random) ones will.

--
Dan

Dodi Schultz
April 26th, 2011, 07:29 PM
Daniel Widdis wrote:

> On 4/26/11 4:51 PM, "Dodi Schultz" <DodiSchultz (AT) nasw (DOT) org> wrote:
>
>
>> Huh? So how come we got Matthew's list of defs for round 2199 but not
>> the results of the round, and on round 2200 we didn't get Dave's list of
>> defs but did get the results he sent? And we GOT (AFAIK) all other
>> Dixonary stuff. I don't get it.
>>
>
> 1. Stuff mailed over the internet doesn't take the same path every time.
> Like a taxi in NYC it will take whatever streets are fastest.
>
> 2. Some people have reported spam coming from certain addresses. These
> happen to have gone through routers belonging to google and are on
> someone's black list. Imagine intersections full of cans of spam, and
> when taxicabs enter them, they just stop (and eat?)
>
> 3. All list emails are dispatched via a variety of servers (roads) to
> various recipients. Those to you and Tony are more likely to hit the big
> cans of spam. Not all will do so, but some (apparently random) ones will.
>

Oh. Kind of totally unpredictable, eh? Jolly.

—Dodi

Paul Keating
April 28th, 2011, 11:23 AM
Tony,

One of the two missing messages has an originating mailserver in that range. Of course, since it happened last week, the blacklist won’t be quite the same now.

Message from Matthew Grieco:
Received: from mail-vw0-f64.google.com ([209.85.212.64]) (using TLSv1) by na3sys009amx191.postini.com ([74.125.148.10]) with SMTP; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 08:10:33 EDT


Message from Tim Lodge:
Received: from mail-qy0-f192.google.com ([209.85.216.192]) (using TLSv1) by na3sys009amx200.postini.com ([74.125.148.10]) with SMTP; Fri, 22 Apr 2011 13:54:29 CDT

P

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Abell
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 10:03 PM

Maybe Paul or someone can tell us which IPs were the source of the missing messages. A whole slew of Google's servers' IP addresses are currently blocked in the range 209.85.215.63 to 209.85.216.202.

Tony Abell
April 28th, 2011, 02:58 PM
Paul,

It turns out the only messages I missed getting were Matthew's posting of the
results for round 2199 (ARVETH) and Dave's posting of the round 2200 (TATHATA)
defs. I DID receive Tim Lodge's congratulatory comment on the D0 (see below),
but Dodi did not.

Neither of the IP addresses you list ever made a connection to my server
during the time in question. However, the copies you receive don't necessarily
come from the same servers as the ones I receive. Because you're in a
different part of the world, different servers may be the originating servers,
or maybe just load balancing would account for different servers being used
for sending the same message. If the latter is correct, Dodi's copy could
have been sent from a SpamCop-blocked server, while mine wasn't.

For me, Tim's message came from 209.85.216.185:

Received: from mail-qy0-f185.google.com (mail-qy0-f185.google.com [209.85.216.185])
by aquariumville.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p3MIsTSK030693
for <hello (AT) isanybodyhome (DOT) com>; Fri, 22 Apr 2011 14:54:30 -0400

Also, I found out that the long list of IP addresses at the bottom of the
SpamCop page (which range I quoted) are NOT currently blocked addresses, as I
had thought; they are addresses having recent "reports". Most are not blocked.

So the situation is not simple, and there may be no definitive way of
determining why the missing messages were not received by Dodi or me, though
blocking via SpamCop is the most likely explanation so far.

------------------------------------------
On 2011-04-28 at 12:23 Paul Keating wrote:

> Tony,

> One of the two missing messages has an originating mailserver in that
> range. Of course, since it happened last week, the blacklist won’t be quite the same now.

> Message from Matthew Grieco:
> Received: from mail-vw0-f64.google.com ([209.85.212.64]) (using TLSv1) by
> na3sys009amx191.postini.com ([74.125.148.10]) with SMTP; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 08:10:33 EDT


> Message from Tim Lodge:
> Received: from mail-qy0-f192.google.com ([209.85.216.192]) (using TLSv1) by
> na3sys009amx200.postini.com ([74.125.148.10]) with SMTP; Fri, 22 Apr 2011 13:54:29 CDT

> P

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tony Abell
> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 10:03 PM

> Maybe Paul or someone can tell us which IPs were the source of the missing
> messages. A whole slew of Google's servers' IP addresses are currently
> blocked in the range 209.85.215.63 to 209.85.216.202.