[Dixonary] Rnd 2157: GANDERGOSLINGS Are or is.

[John Barrs]

This was a interesting round - who'd have thought, least of all me, once a
professional botanist, that it is an orchid. - and what is more, our
commonest orchid (round this part of the UK). Millie deprived me of a D0 by
voting for it.

Matthew is our next dealer with 7 natural points. Paul is the real winner
with 5 points

JohnnyB from snowy England

1: a game played with marbles
Voted for by: Tim Lodge, Dave Cunningham, Chris Carson, Judy Madnick, Paul
Keating, Tim Bourne, Mike Shefler
FROM Matthew Grieco who voted 12 and 14, and scores 7 + 0 = 7

2: [Obs. dial.] the plant Orchis mascula.
Voted for by: Millie Morgan
FROM OED 1989 - online 2010 which can't vote, and scores D1

3: male geese hatchlings
Voted for by: Chuck Emery, Tim Bourne
FROM Dick Weltz who voted 4 and 8, and scores 2 + 0 = 2

4: a derogatory term for midshipmen in the Royal Navy
Voted for by: Dick Weltz, Guerri Stevens
FROM Tim Lodge who voted 1 and 17, and scores 2 + 0 = 2

5: a noted rock formation in Newfoundland
Voted for by: Jim Hart, Chuck Emery
FROM Dave Cunningham who voted 1 and 12, and scores 2 + 0 = 2

6: a showy article of dress
Voted for by: Jim Hart
FROM Chris Carson who voted 1 and 16, and scores 1 + 0 = 1

7: fork-tailed gulls
Voted for by nobody
FROM Judy Madnick who voted 1 and 16, and scores 0 + 0 = 0

8: a railroad term for freight cars left on a siding
Voted for by: Dick Weltz, Mike Shefler
FROM Toni Savage who voted 10 and 17, and scores 2 + 0 = 2

9: (sl.) trainee pilots
Voted for by: Millie Morgan, Scott Crom
FROM Jim Hart who voted 5 and 6, and scores 2 + 0 = 2

10: misfits; troublemakers
Voted for by: Toni Savage
FROM Chuck Emery who voted 3 and 5, and scores 1 + 0 = 1

11: waterproof overshoes
Voted for by: Guerri Stevens
FROM Millie Morgan who voted *2* and 9, and scores 1 + 2 = 3*

12: crookedly; leaning awkwardly, leaning to one side; sideways
Voted for by: Matthew Grieco, Dave Cunningham, Paul Keating, Dan Widdis,
Dodi Schultz, Scott Crom
FROM Paul Keating who voted 1 and (12), and scores 5 + 0 = 5

13: fairy tales or folk tales intended to entertain both adults and children
Voted for by nobody
FROM Dan Widdis who voted 12 and 16, and scores 0 + 0 = 0

14: goosebumps (q.v.)
Voted for by: Matthew Grieco
FROM Tim Bourne who voted 1 and 3, and scores 1 + 0 = 1

15: an illegal curling maneuver
Voted for by nobody
FROM Guerri Stevens who voted 4 and 11, and scores 0 + 0 = 0

16: a children's game similar to follow-the-leader, in which the leader must
run through a fixed set of tasks or motions
Voted for by: Chris Carson, Judy Madnick, Dan Widdis, Dodi Schultz
FROM Mike Shefler who voted 1 and 8, and scores 4 + 0 = 4

17: gumdrops
Voted for by: Tim Lodge, Toni Savage
FROM Tony Abell who didn't vote, and scores 2 + 0 = 2

18: _colloq._ small balls of dust, such as are found beneath beds
Voted for by nobody
FROM Dodi Schultz who voted 12 and 16, and scores 0 + 0 = 0

No def
FROM Scott Crom who voted 9 and 12, and scores 0 + 0 = 0

[EnDash@aol.com]

That brings up a question which has been puzzling me. Why does the dealer
root for the Dictionary to score as low as possible, inasmuch as the dealer
can score no points anyway? Is it just prestige? -- Dick


In a message dated 12/18/2010 11:11:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
johnnybarrs (AT) gmail (DOT) com writes:

This was a interesting round - who'd have thought, least of all me, once a
professional botanist, that it is an orchid. - and what is more, our
commonest orchid (round this part of the UK). Millie deprived me of a D0 by
voting for it.

[Dodi Schultz]

> That brings up a question which has been puzzling me. Why does the
> dealer root for the Dictionary to score as low as possible, inasmuch
> as the dealer can score no points anyway? Is it just prestige? -- Dick

You got it!

[Millie Morgan]

It has always puzzled me a bit too, Dick.
In other some other games of "Fictionary Dictionary" or similar, the dealer submits a fake definition as well, and so has the option of scoring points.

-- Millie


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Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 3:41 AM
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That brings up a question which has been puzzling me. Why does the dealer root for the Dictionary to score as low as possible, inasmuch as the dealer can score no points anyway? Is it just prestige? -- Dick

In a message dated 12/18/2010 11:11:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, johnnybarrs (AT) gmail (DOT) com writes:
This was a interesting round - who'd have thought, least of all me, once a professional botanist, that it is an orchid. - and what is more, our commonest orchid (round this part of the UK). Millie deprived me of a D0 by voting for it.

[Dodi Schultz]

> It has always puzzled me a bit too, Dick.
> In other some other games of "Fictionary Dictionary" or similar, the
> dealer submits a fake definition as well, and so has the option of
> scoring points.
>
> -- Millie

In our parlor-game version, played in an actual parlor (well, sort of,
sometimes), the dealer uses the dictionary def and gets points based on
the number of people fooled (in addition to points to the fake defs
getting votes).

But hey, different venues, different rules. Dixonary's were established
back in 1989 (before my time). Maybe a player who was around at the
start could comment?

--Dodi

[Paul Keating]

Maybe Toni will remember, but whatever T.’s motivation, it is clear that it was quite deliberate:
Rule 9: Dealing has the effect of a penalty. In the best* of all possible worlds you would consistently finish second in each round.
If it were possible for a dealer to earn points for a D0, then that would be an uncertain penalty. Since the penalty is imposed on strong players, I would guess that the intention was to make it unattractive, from a scoring point of view, for the strongest players to monopolize the dealer’s chair, and harder for them to colonize the upper echelons of the league table. I don’t think it worked too well, if so.

(*This world is best only in the sense that it is the one in which you have a higher cumulative average score than anyone else. Some players, perhaps most players, don’t care much about cumulative average score. The way this rule is worded suggests it is expected that they will.)

P


From: Dodi Schultz
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 2:54 AM
To: dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com
Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Rnd 2157: GANDERGOSLINGS Are or is.



It has always puzzled me a bit too, Dick.
In other some other games of "Fictionary Dictionary" or similar, the dealer submits a fake definition as well, and so has the option of scoring points.

-- Millie

In our parlor-game version, played in an actual parlor (well, sort of, sometimes), the dealer uses the dictionary def and gets points based on the number of people fooled (in addition to points to the fake defs getting votes).

But hey, different venues, different rules. Dixonary's were established back in 1989 (before my time). Maybe a player who was around at the start could comment?

--Dodi

[Dodi Schultz]

Paul Keating wrote (in reply to my comment that in our real-life
version, the dealer gets points based on the number of people fooled):

> Maybe Toni will remember, but whatever T.'s motivation, it is clear
> that it was quite deliberate:
>
> /Rule 9:/ Dealing has the effect of a penalty. In the best* of all
> possible worlds you would consistently finish second in each round.
>
> If it were possible for a dealer to earn points for a D0, then that
> would be an uncertain penalty. Since the penalty is imposed on strong
> players, I would guess that the intention was to make it unattractive,
> from a scoring point of view, for the strongest players to monopolize
> the dealer's chair, and harder for them to colonize the upper echelons
> of the league table. I don't think it worked too well, if so.
>
> (*This world is /best/ only in the sense that it is the one in which
> you have a higher cumulative average score than anyone else. Some
> players, perhaps most players, don't care much about cumulative
> average score. The way this rule is worded suggests it is expected
> that they will.)

I stupidly forgot to mention--"stupidly", because it makes a big
difference--that in our offline version, the "deal" isn't based on
points in the prior round but simply rotates among the players, as in a
card game. (An actual dictionary is passed around the room.) The dealer
is likely to rack up the most points in a given round, but everyone has
the same opportunity to do that.

[Toni Savage]

In a version we played in MPGAMES forum, dealer got a point or two for a D0..

Somewhere, there's a list of all the D0's and who has the most.* I was at the
top of it once, but I've long been dethroned.

I still remember BORELE and VARTABED fondly.
*-- Toni Savage




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From: Millie Morgan <milliemmorgan (AT) gmail (DOT) com>
To: dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com
Sent: Sat, December 18, 2010 5:47:46 PM
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It has always*puzzled me a bit too, Dick.
In other some other games of "Fictionary Dictionary" or similar, the dealer
submits a fake definition as well, and so has the option of scoring points.
*
-- Millie
*
*
----- Original Message -----
>From: EnDash (AT) aol (DOT) com
>To: dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com
>Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 3:41 AM
>Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Rnd 2157: GANDERGOSLINGS Are or is.
>
>That brings up a question which has been puzzling me. Why does the dealer root
>for the Dictionary to score as low as possible, inasmuch as the dealer can score
>no points anyway? Is it just prestige?* -- Dick
>
>In a message dated 12/18/2010 11:11:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>johnnybarrs (AT) gmail (DOT) com writes:
>This was a interesting round - who'd have thought, least of all me, once a
>professional botanist, that it is an orchid. - and what is more, our commonest
>orchid (round this part of the UK). Millie deprived me of a D0 by voting for it.