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Judy G. Russell
August 16th, 2009, 08:55 PM
My good friend Lynne, who’s also a genealogist, was visiting this weekend and she’s also got ancestors from Bremen, Germany (where my father was born), so we took a virtual walk through a Bremen website I looked at some time ago. Then I only found a few things of use to us on the website, but BOY have those Bremen folks been busy. They now have funeral records for 1875-1906 for two big Bremen cemeteries online… and those happen to be the right years and the right place for the family of Marie Nuckel Geissler, wife of Hugo Ernst and mother of Hugo Hermann Geissler. (Short form: grandmother of the old farts of my family like me, great grandmother of the whippersnappers)

I knew her father’s and mother’s names from her 1924 visa application: he was Carsten Hinrich Wilhelm Nuckel, she was Juliane Margarethe Smidt. Handwritten notes suggest he lived from 1860-1940; she was dead before the Geisslers came to the US. And Marie had two sisters that I knew of, Adelheid and Gretel.

Now we know more.

Carsten and Juliane were married before 1889, because a son, Carsten Hinrich Wilhelm Nuckel was born around March 1889. And he didn’t make it to the age of three. He died 24 Jan 1892.

Six months later, in July 1892, another son was born and given his brother’s (and father’s) name: Carsten Hinrich Wilhelm Nuckel [II] was born about 1 Jul 1892. His fate however was no different. He died 19 Aug 1893.

Henrietta Johanna Nuckel, born 16 Jul 1895, died 1 Mar 1896.

Johann Friedrich Nuckel, born about 10 May 1897, died 22 Apr 1898.

An unnamed infant girl, stillborn, 10 Dec 1904.

And Juliane herself, age 42 years and two months, dead on 27 Jan 1907.

I know Bremen was a big, dirty, ugly industrial city and shipping port, wet, cold, with lots of disease. But burying [I]five children — babies and toddlers – is simply incomprehensible to me.

We also picked up some broader info. Carsten was a crate maker (probably for shipping). He likely had brothers named Gerhard and Johann Friedrich, who also made crates, and their father was probably another Gerhard who was also a crate maker. They were all born, lived and died in the area of Bremen called Neustadt, just south of the Weser River within walking distance of the Friedhof Buntenthor (Buntenthor Cemetery) where so many of these babies were buried.

Working class folks with lives so very different and so much harder than ours…

Mike
August 17th, 2009, 03:35 AM
Wow! What a major resource!

I just Googled the county in England where my bother was born and raised, and I see there's a lot more research material now than four or five years ago, when I last looked. I don't have a chance of finding time to review the information for a long time... <sigh>

Judy G. Russell
August 18th, 2009, 04:36 PM
Wow! What a major resource!And the worst part about coming across such a cool resource is that you're always left wanting more!!

I just Googled the county in England where my bother was born and raised, and I see there's a lot more research material now than four or five years ago, when I last looked. I don't have a chance of finding time to review the information for a long time... <sigh>The story of all of our lives: more info available and less time to use it!

Dan in Saint Louis
August 18th, 2009, 09:32 PM
The story of all of our lives: more info available and less time to use it!
The problem with the Internet: too many facts, not enough knowledge.

Mike
August 19th, 2009, 02:56 AM
^bother^mother

<sigh>

Judy G. Russell
August 19th, 2009, 11:46 PM
The problem with the Internet: too many facts, not enough knowledge.That surely contributes to the overall problem, yup.

Judy G. Russell
August 19th, 2009, 11:47 PM
^bother^mother

<sigh>We knew what you meant.

Mike
August 20th, 2009, 02:20 AM
We knew what you meant.
Sometimes I wonder if I know what I mean (though not in this case).

Judy G. Russell
August 21st, 2009, 10:15 PM
Sometimes I wonder if I know what I mean (though not in this case).Tell me about it. The older I get, the more confused I get...

Mike
August 22nd, 2009, 02:28 AM
What are we talking about?

Judy G. Russell
August 22nd, 2009, 10:46 PM
What are we talking about?I have no idea. And by the way, who are you anyway?

Mike
August 23rd, 2009, 03:09 AM
...who are you anyway?
I'm not sure. Maybe 42?

Judy G. Russell
August 23rd, 2009, 11:27 PM
I'm not sure. Maybe 42?42 is always the right answer.

Mike
August 24th, 2009, 02:46 AM
42 is always the right answer.
<whew!>

Dan in Saint Louis
August 24th, 2009, 08:49 AM
42 is always the right answer.
Now, now, 44 is going to be fine also. Both sure beat 43!

Mike
August 25th, 2009, 02:46 AM
Now, now, 44 is going to be fine also. Both sure beat 43!
And 86.

Dan in Saint Louis
August 25th, 2009, 09:17 AM
And 86.
??

Mike
August 26th, 2009, 02:02 AM
??
I dunno about you, but I'd sure hate to be 86ed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/86_%28number%29#American_slang)!

Is it just coincidence that you referred to 43?

ndebord
August 26th, 2009, 10:18 AM
I dunno about you, but I'd sure hate to be 86ed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/86_%28number%29#American_slang)!

Is it just coincidence that you referred to 43?


Mike,

In a somewhat related note, I walked by the old pub (Bedford) the other day and it is now condemned by the City... fear of it falling down. I have eaten cheap burgers and drank good beer in the joint and walked out the old 86 Skidoo exit too!

http://nymag.com/listings/bar/chumleys/

ktinkel
August 26th, 2009, 11:57 AM
Oh, no — not Chumley’s. Talk about a NYC institution!

Last week Guss’s pickles closed; they do intend to open as a different sort of place in Brooklyn, but still — a great loss.

At least McSorley’s and Yonah Schimmel are still going strong.

Dan in Saint Louis
August 26th, 2009, 04:48 PM
Is it just coincidence that you referred to 43?
I prefer 42 and 44 to 43 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_presidents).

Mike
August 27th, 2009, 01:55 AM
I prefer 42 and 44 to 43 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_presidents).
Oh, yes, indeed!

And yes, it does appear two 43s got 86ed!

Judy G. Russell
August 27th, 2009, 09:41 AM
Now, now, 44 is going to be fine also. Both sure beat 43!ROFL! Yeah, I can go along with that. But Douglas Adams (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7283155.stm) would always go for 42.