[Dixonary] Bouncing mail

[Dodi Schultz]

Mike, the address you gave for Chris isn't the one on the players
list. Have you tried that one?

--Dodi

[France International]

I think my message got through, but his acknowledgement to me bounced.

BTW, I give the internet another 2-3 years then it will become mostly
useless due to spam, hacking and various other criminal attacks, which seem
to overwhelm the defenses against them.

Mike


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dodi Schultz" <schultz (AT) compuserve (DOT) com>
To: <Dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 3:01 PM
Subject: [Dixonary] Bouncing mail


>
> Mike, the address you gave for Chris isn't the one on the players
> list. Have you tried that one?
>
> --Dodi
>



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[Dodi Schultz]

> BTW, I give the internet another 2-3 years then it will become mostly
> useless due to spam, hacking and various other criminal attacks, which seem
> to overwhelm the defenses against them.

Mike, are you sure that the level of criminal activity out there
exceeds that of human error?

--Dodi

[France International]

Dodi,

I don't think it's human error that is causing the mail to bounce. It's
various ISPs trying to protect themselves against spam attacks by bouncing
email indiscriminately from ISPs some of whose customers computers have been
taken over (usuall unbeknownst to them) by trojan horses that send out spam.
The approach they take to protect themselves is to block ALL email from
those ISPs. There are several I can confirm that I cannot receive email
from. To their credit, most ISPs allow some human intervention to allow
blocked ISPs to be un-blacklisted (or at least to allow individual customers
to be get through), but all involve going through several additional steps
to send an email, such as filling out a form with various "captchas" to
complete (some of which are danged hard to read. Most people, including
myself, do not have or are not willing to take the time to do this to send
an email.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dodi Schultz" <schultz (AT) compuserve (DOT) com>
To: <Dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 3:34 PM
Subject: [Dixonary] Re: Bouncing mail


>
>
> > BTW, I give the internet another 2-3 years then it will become mostly
> > useless due to spam, hacking and various other criminal attacks, which
seem
> > to overwhelm the defenses against them.
>
> Mike, are you sure that the level of criminal activity out there
> exceeds that of human error?
>
> --Dodi
>



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[Paul Keating]

I give existing email protocols another 2-3 years. They will be supplanted: I predict that you will shortly have to purchase, for some small sum like €0.001, an authentication token for every email you send, that mailservers will insist on before accepting your mail. This won't cost ordinary people anything significant but it will put the spammers out of business.

I was predicting this 7 years ago; put me down as an incorrigible optimist. If you dislike near-monopolies with high barriers to entry, then you may well not like a world where only a handful of certificate authorities can sell these chits; in that case for optimist read pessimist. For myself, in this one case I would cheerfully sacrifice principle on the altar of expedience.

Defending operating systems will take a bit longer. Security has to be expensively built in from the ground up. As we know both from principle and from experience, there is no effective way to tack it on afterwards: then all treatment is symptomatic.

And users do not like more secure operating systems because of the price they have to pay in inconvenience, and higher-powered processors for no visible benefit.

--
Paul Keating
The Hague

----- Original Message -----
From: "France International" <stamps (AT) salsgiver (DOT) com>


> I give the internet another 2-3 years then it will become mostly useless due to spam, hacking and
> various other criminal attacks, which seem to overwhelm the defenses against them.

[France International]

Dodi,

Just to give you an idea of the problem, today I cannot send email to anyone
at hotmail.com. They bounce back anything sent from my ISP. Their response
is:

"They are currently working on the problem."

No idea when it will be resolved.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dodi Schultz" <schultz (AT) compuserve (DOT) com>
To: <Dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 3:34 PM
Subject: [Dixonary] Re: Bouncing mail


>
>
> > BTW, I give the internet another 2-3 years then it will become mostly
> > useless due to spam, hacking and various other criminal attacks, which
seem
> > to overwhelm the defenses against them.
>
> Mike, are you sure that the level of criminal activity out there
> exceeds that of human error?
>
> --Dodi
>



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