PDA

View Full Version : [Dixonary] Round 2004 Raguly results


Jim Hart
May 16th, 2009, 02:20 AM
By popular vote Messrs Chambers wins this round with a natural 4 for the
heraldic thing. They can't take the deal so it goes to Mike Shefler who
received no votes due to my incompetence in omitting his definition but
instead gets 2 dealer points plus 2 more for spotting the real one.
Statisticians can tell us if this has happened before. Next in line were a
slew of players on 3 points.


1. a fringed vest.
from: Guerri Stevens
who voted for: 10 & 20
and scored 0 + 0=0

2. Impertinent and abrasive.
from: Hugo Kornelis
who voted for: 5 & 15
and scored 1 + 0=1

3. The rubble created when a building is demolished by implosion.
from: Tony Abell
who voted for: NV
and scored 0 + 0=0

4. A metal cup, often suspended on a pole, containing burning oil or pitch
and used as a torch.
from: Dan Widdis
who voted for: 10 & 13
and scored 1 + 0=1

5. _Heraldry. rare._ (of a field) sprinkled with brown droplets; _also
called:_ goutty de brunatre
from: Paul Keating
who voted for: NV
and scored 3 + 0=3

6. A small hardy clover that can root in harsh conditions, such as urban
sidewalks, causing much damage through rhizome propagation.
from: Nancy Shepherdson
who voted for: 8 & 15
and scored 3 + 0=3

7. a lie, a slander [fr Heb _ragal_ to go about]
from: Johnny Barrs
who voted for: DQ
and scored 0 + 0=0

8. a waterproof cape worn by hussars.
from: Tim Lodge
who voted for: 5 & 19
and scored 3 + 0=3

9. a kind of ornate pediment decorated with leaves and flowers.
from: Toni Savage
who voted for: 4 & 14 !
and scored 1 + 2=3

10. Lewdness; lasciviousness.
from: Chris Carson
who voted for: NV
and scored 3 + 0=3

11. ringed strap tied to leg of falcon or hawk.
from: Judy Madnick
who voted for: 9 & 12
and scored 1 + 0=1

12. [Scots] a false dirk, used to conform with safety restrictions.
from: Dave Cunningham
who voted for: 5 & 10
and scored 1 + 0=1

13. a hedgerow plant with serrulate leaves sometimes used in salads
from: Tim Bourne
who voted for: 6 & 16
and scored 2 + 0=2

14. (her.) with projections like oblique stubs of branches
from: Chambers Dictionary
who doesn't vote
and scored D4

15. a traditional Moroccan game played with clay marbles
from: Millie Morgan
who voted for: 8 & 11
and scored 3 + 0=3

16. a highly spiced goat's-meat stew.
from: Dodi Schultz
who voted for: 14 ! & 19
and scored 1 + 2=3

17. To twirl on tiptoe.
from: Scott Crom
who voted for: 2 & 6
and scored 0 + 0=0

18. a Swedish folk dance in three-four time
from: Russ Heimerson
who voted for: 8 & 14 !
and scored 0 + 2=2

19. an Indian dish of mutton and lentils.
from: Chuck Emery
who voted for: NV
and scored 2 + 0=2

20. the long shirt usually worn with loose-fitting pants by men in
Afghanistan and some other Islamic countries
from: Dick Weltz
who voted for: 6 & 13
and scored 1 + 0=1

21. [lost by incompetent dealer]
from: Mike Shefler
who voted for: 14 ! & 15
and scored 2DP +2=4********

JohnnyB
May 16th, 2009, 04:44 AM
Jim

I think Tony voted for #7 (mine) - if his vote was in time

JohnnyB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com
> [mailto:Dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com] On Behalf Of Jim Hart
> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 8:20 AM
> To: Dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com
> Cc: France International
> Subject: [Dixonary] Round 2004 Raguly results
>
>
> By popular vote Messrs Chambers wins this round with a
> natural 4 for the heraldic thing. They can't take the deal so
> it goes to Mike Shefler who received no votes due to my
> incompetence in omitting his definition but instead gets 2
> dealer points plus 2 more for spotting the real one.
> Statisticians can tell us if this has happened before. Next
> in line were a slew of players on 3 points.
>
>
> 1. a fringed vest.
> from: Guerri Stevens
> who voted for: 10 & 20
> and scored 0 + 0=0
>
> 2. Impertinent and abrasive.
> from: Hugo Kornelis
> who voted for: 5 & 15
> and scored 1 + 0=1
>
> 3. The rubble created when a building is demolished by implosion.
> from: Tony Abell
> who voted for: NV
> and scored 0 + 0=0
>
> 4. A metal cup, often suspended on a pole, containing
> burning oil or pitch and used as a torch.
> from: Dan Widdis
> who voted for: 10 & 13
> and scored 1 + 0=1
>
> 5. _Heraldry. rare._ (of a field) sprinkled with brown
> droplets; _also called:_ goutty de brunatre
> from: Paul Keating
> who voted for: NV
> and scored 3 + 0=3
>
> 6. A small hardy clover that can root in harsh conditions,
> such as urban sidewalks, causing much damage through rhizome
> propagation.
> from: Nancy Shepherdson
> who voted for: 8 & 15
> and scored 3 + 0=3
>
> 7. a lie, a slander [fr Heb _ragal_ to go about]
> from: Johnny Barrs
> who voted for: DQ
> and scored 0 + 0=0
>
> 8. a waterproof cape worn by hussars.
> from: Tim Lodge
> who voted for: 5 & 19
> and scored 3 + 0=3
>
> 9. a kind of ornate pediment decorated with leaves and flowers.
> from: Toni Savage
> who voted for: 4 & 14 !
> and scored 1 + 2=3
>
> 10. Lewdness; lasciviousness.
> from: Chris Carson
> who voted for: NV
> and scored 3 + 0=3
>
> 11. ringed strap tied to leg of falcon or hawk.
> from: Judy Madnick
> who voted for: 9 & 12
> and scored 1 + 0=1
>
> 12. [Scots] a false dirk, used to conform with safety restrictions.
> from: Dave Cunningham
> who voted for: 5 & 10
> and scored 1 + 0=1
>
> 13. a hedgerow plant with serrulate leaves sometimes used in salads
> from: Tim Bourne
> who voted for: 6 & 16
> and scored 2 + 0=2
>
> 14. (her.) with projections like oblique stubs of branches
> from: Chambers Dictionary
> who doesn't vote
> and scored D4
>
> 15. a traditional Moroccan game played with clay marbles
> from: Millie Morgan
> who voted for: 8 & 11
> and scored 3 + 0=3
>
> 16. a highly spiced goat's-meat stew.
> from: Dodi Schultz
> who voted for: 14 ! & 19
> and scored 1 + 2=3
>
> 17. To twirl on tiptoe.
> from: Scott Crom
> who voted for: 2 & 6
> and scored 0 + 0=0
>
> 18. a Swedish folk dance in three-four time
> from: Russ Heimerson
> who voted for: 8 & 14 !
> and scored 0 + 2=2
>
> 19. an Indian dish of mutton and lentils.
> from: Chuck Emery
> who voted for: NV
> and scored 2 + 0=2
>
> 20. the long shirt usually worn with loose-fitting pants by
> men in Afghanistan and some other Islamic countries
> from: Dick Weltz
> who voted for: 6 & 13
> and scored 1 + 0=1
>
> 21. [lost by incompetent dealer]
> from: Mike Shefler
> who voted for: 14 ! & 15
> and scored 2DP +2=4********
>
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 8.5.329 / Virus Database: 270.12.27/2111 - Release
> Date: 05/12/09 18:03:00
>
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.329 / Virus Database: 270.12.27/2111 - Release Date: 05/12/09
18:03:00

Jim Hart
May 16th, 2009, 06:28 PM
Johnny - I don't see a vote from Tony, or the other NVs, either before
or after the deadline. Did I somehow miss it?

> I think Tony voted for #7 (mine) - if his vote was in time
>
> JohnnyB

schultz@compuserve.com
May 16th, 2009, 07:39 PM
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Jim Hart jfshart (AT) gmail (DOT) com
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 16:28:53 -0700 (PDT)
To: Dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com
Subject: [Dixonary] Re: Round 2004 Raguly results




Johnny - I don't see a vote from Tony, or the other NVs, either before
or after the deadline. Did I somehow miss it?

> I think Tony voted for #7 (mine) - if his vote was in time
>
> JohnnyB

--------------------------------------------------------------------
mail2web.com - Microsoft® Exchange solutions from a leading provider -
http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange

schultz@compuserve.com
May 16th, 2009, 07:43 PM
>> Johnny - I don't see a vote from Tony, or the other NVs, either before
>> or after the deadline. Did I somehow miss it?

Tony voted for #7 and #13, Jim. It's in the thread in the Parlor forum at
the TAPCIS.com Website. It was either under the deadline or very close
(I'm not sure what part of the US the time records there are based on).

--Dodi


--------------------------------------------------------------------
myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft® Windows® and Linux web and application
hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting

Tony Abell
May 16th, 2009, 08:50 PM
I did vote, at about 30 minutes before the deadline.

-----
Avoiding the heraldry, dishes and Scots, little is left but 7 and 13:

> 7. a lie, a slander [fr Heb _ragal_ to go about]
> 13. a hedgerow plant with serrulate leaves sometimes used in salads


------------------------------------------
On 2009-05-16 at 19:28 Jim Hart wrote:


> Johnny - I don't see a vote from Tony, or the other NVs, either before
> or after the deadline. Did I somehow miss it?

>> I think Tony voted for #7 (mine) - if his vote was in time
>>
>> JohnnyB

Jim Hart
May 17th, 2009, 07:16 AM
I have now just seen Tony Abell's original message voting for 7 and
13. Fortunately this means only a minor change to the final scores.
Scorekeepers please note Johnny Barrs = 1; Tim Bourne = 3.

I should not have missed Tony's message however in my defence I would
note that it all got rather confusing what with various digressions
first into plaintext vs html then the death of compuserve mail. And
with that there were changes of subject.

I usually read Dixonary messages at the Dixonary google groups site,
rather than via individual emails. I also receive the daily email
digest as a kind of backup but I find that less readable than the
Dixonary site.

Until this round I had not realised that if someone changes the
subject line when they reply to a message, this has the effect of
changing the name of topic (aka thread). So when I went to re-read all
the replies to the topic which I initiated as "Raguly definitions" I
couldn't see it in the index list of messages. Instead it was now
listed as "OT: RIP CompuServe Classic Email".

I have nothing against a bit of thread drift - it's been an engaging
feature of this group from way back in Compuserve days - but I would
suggest that if a reply is sufficiently off-topic to need a change the
subject then do it properly by initiating a new thread instead of just
changing the name of the old one.

Maybe this doesn't make any difference if you receive Dixonary
messages by email. I imagine each message arrives separately with its
own subject line, and then sorting them is a job for your mail client.
If that is the case then perhaps I should consider switching to the
all-email option, though I'd prefer not to.

- Jim

Daniel B. Widdis
May 17th, 2009, 09:04 AM
JH> Until this round I had not realised that if someone changes
JH> the subject line when they reply to a message, this has the
JH> effect of changing the name of topic (aka thread).

Indeed, most clients keep track of a References field in the message headers
which indicates other messages to which the reply should be threaded.
Threading clients, including the group's message store and the tapcis.com
site will use this information to keep round information together.
Tapcis.com also does subject line matching even when the client doesn't
provide references.

JH> I would suggest that if a reply is sufficiently off-topic to
JH> need a change the subject then do it properly by initiating a
JH> new thread

This is definitely a good practice. Replying *and* changing the subject
will confuse some clients and sites. New subject should be new message with
blank references field.

--
Dan

Tony Abell
May 17th, 2009, 09:10 AM
On 2009-05-17 at 08:16 Jim Hart wrote:

> Until this round I had not realised that if someone changes the
> subject line when they reply to a message, this has the effect of
> changing the name of topic (aka thread). So when I went to re-read all
> the replies to the topic which I initiated as "Raguly definitions" I
> couldn't see it in the index list of messages. Instead it was now
> listed as "OT: RIP CompuServe Classic Email".

I did that deliberately, but I didn't expect what you've described above to
happen. I wanted to keep the same thread but change the subject--two different
things in my email client, where threading is determined by the message ID
chain, not the subject line. I knew that Dodi's response, if any, would be a new
thread, anyway, since she's using TAPCIS.

Apparently, on Google Groups, changing the subject of a reply changes the
subject of existing messages in the same thread, or at least the way they're
organized. Very unpleasant.

I very rarely do that, but when I do, it's on purpose. Needless to say, I won't
be doing it on THIS list anymore! And my vote was a direct reply to your
definitions post, without any subject manipulation, so that shouldn't have been
affected.

Jim Hart
May 17th, 2009, 08:43 PM
On May 18, 12:10*am, Tony Abell <he... (AT) isanybodyhome (DOT) com> wrote:
> ...And my vote was a direct reply to your
> definitions post, without any subject manipulation, so that shouldn't have been
> affected.

Quite correct Tony, you did, and the subject/topic changes came
immediately after your vote.

There was another random factor at work here too. As mentioned, I get
the messages from the group site, which displays 25 messages per page;
yours was #28 and was the only vote on that page. When I checked for
final votes about an hour after the deadline I suspect I only read the
first 25 then the scroll stopped and I missed seeing the little
pointer to "newer >". That's another thing I'll watch for in future!