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Russ Heimerson
May 18th, 2008, 12:30 PM
Here are 18 definitions for DRAFF. One of them came from my dictionary,
the rest are the product of your fiertile imaginations.

Vote for two before the deadline - 10:00pm EDT, 7:00pm PDT tomorrow, May 19.

>>> DRAFF <<<

1. Metal shavings from a lathe or die.

2. local (Italian) name for a diploid "emmer" wheat, double-rowed spelt;
_triticum diccocum_ [from di farra: although now used mainly for
stock feed; it has been in cultivation more than 8000 years]

3. a right of access across another property.

4. _Archaic_ A great number or quantity.

5. The droppings or refuse left by insect larvae.

6. [_Scot_] a measure of whisky commonly used before 1800 A.D.

7. dregs, as in a brewing process; lees; refuse.

8. residue which may accumulate in a bagpipe.

9. inappropriate; in poor taste.

10. _S. Afr. mil. sl._ (to march etc.) at the double [Du. draf 'trot']

11. small waste offcuts of cloth, of insufficient size to use for other
purposes, produced during tailoring or dressmaking.

12. mass of igneous rock intruded between two sedimentary beds.

13. a length of hide used to secure large bundles [Obs.]

14. spoiled food.

15. the finely ground plaster used in mosaics.

16. [Scot.] distasteful

17. the degree to which a gyroscopic compass is off true

18. A frame or platform for drying fish or produce.

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Tim B
May 18th, 2008, 12:56 PM
9 and 18, please.

Best wishes,
Tim B.

Judy Madnick
May 18th, 2008, 01:28 PM
Lotsa' good choices. Let's see -- for absolutely no good reason:

<< 1. Metal shavings from a lathe or die.
<< 7. dregs, as in a brewing process; lees; refuse.

Judy Madnick
Jacksonville, FL

JohnnyB
May 18th, 2008, 01:52 PM
Russ

It sounds "tacky" so I'll go for #5 and #7 please

JohnnyB

Dave Cunningham
May 18th, 2008, 01:54 PM
13 and 15 -- you wouldn;t dare tty a Scots def, would you?

Dave

On May 18, 1:30*pm, Russ Heimerson <heimer... (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote:
> Here are 18 definitions for DRAFF. *One of them came from my dictionary,
> the rest are the product of your fiertile imaginations.
>
> Vote for two before the deadline - 10:00pm EDT, 7:00pm PDT tomorrow, May 19.
>
> *>>> * * *DRAFF * <<<
>
> * 1. Metal shavings from a lathe or die.
>
> * 2. local (Italian) name for a diploid "emmer" wheat, double-rowed spelt;
> * * *_triticum diccocum_ *[from di farra: *although now used mainly for
> * * *stock feed; it has been in cultivation more than 8000 years]
>
> * 3. a right of access across another property.
>
> * 4. _Archaic_ A great number or quantity.
>
> * 5. The droppings or refuse left by insect larvae.
>
> * 6. [_Scot_] a measure of whisky commonly used before 1800 A.D.
>
> * 7. dregs, as in a brewing process; lees; refuse.
>
> * 8. residue which may accumulate in a bagpipe.
>
> * 9. inappropriate; in poor taste.
>
> *10. _S. Afr. mil. sl._ (to march etc.) at the double [Du. draf 'trot']
>
> *11. small waste offcuts of cloth, of insufficient size to use for other
> * * *purposes, produced during tailoring or dressmaking.
>
> *12. mass of igneous rock intruded between two sedimentary beds.
>
> *13. a length of hide used to secure large bundles [Obs.]
>
> *14. spoiled food.
>
> *15. the finely ground plaster used in mosaics.
>
> *16. [Scot.] distasteful
>
> *17. the degree to which a gyroscopic compass is off true
>
> *18. A frame or platform for drying fish or produce.
>
> ------------------------------

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May 18th, 2008, 02:04 PM
I'll go for 1 and 9

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waynescottmd@earthlink.net
May 18th, 2008, 02:57 PM
6 and 16, please.
I have to vote for the Scots, and this time I think they are good possibilities.
Good luck with the deal, Russ.

MacCurm


----- Original Message -----
From: Russ Heimerson
To: Dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com
Sent: 5/18/2008 10:28:11 AM
Subject: [Dixonary] Round 1907 DRAFF Defs Up!


Here are 18 definitions for DRAFF. One of them came from my dictionary, the rest are the product of your fiertile imaginations.

Vote for two before the deadline - 10:00pm EDT, 7:00pm PDT tomorrow, May 19.

>>> DRAFF <<<

1. Metal shavings from a lathe or die.

2. local (Italian) name for a diploid "emmer" wheat, double-rowed spelt;
_triticum diccocum_ [from di farra: although now used mainly for
stock feed; it has been in cultivation more than 8000 years]

3. a right of access across another property.

4. _Archaic_ A great number or quantity.

5. The droppings or refuse left by insect larvae.

6. [_Scot_] a measure of whisky commonly used before 1800 A.D.

7. dregs, as in a brewing process; lees; refuse.

8. residue which may accumulate in a bagpipe.

9. inappropriate; in poor taste.

10. _S. Afr. mil. sl._ (to march etc.) at the double [Du. draf 'trot']

11. small waste offcuts of cloth, of insufficient size to use for other
purposes, produced during tailoring or dressmaking.

12. mass of igneous rock intruded between two sedimentary beds.

13. a length of hide used to secure large bundles [Obs.]

14. spoiled food.

15. the finely ground plaster used in mosaics.

16. [Scot.] distasteful

17. the degree to which a gyroscopic compass is off true

18. A frame or platform for drying fish or produce.

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Nancy Shepherdson
May 18th, 2008, 03:32 PM
Well, I didn't get a chance to submit one because the deadline wasn't
changed to accommodate the back and forth on what the word was.
Humph.

Anyway, I'll vote for 10 and 14.

Nancy

Dodi Schultz
May 18th, 2008, 03:45 PM
I like 7 and 17.

--Dodi

Tim Lodge
May 18th, 2008, 03:47 PM
I suspect I may have sent my voting message only to you, as it hasn't
appeared on the website. I voted for 13 and 16 - please don't
count my votes twice!

-- Tim L

Tim Lodge
May 18th, 2008, 03:49 PM
Oops - sorry. I voted for 13 and _18_ , not 16.

-- Tim L

On May 18, 9:47*pm, Tim Lodge <iel7j... (AT) sneakemail (DOT) com> wrote:
> I suspect I may have sent my voting message only to you, as it hasn't
> appeared on the website. *I voted for *13 *and *16 - please don't
> count my votes twice!
>
> -- *Tim L

Guerri Stevens
May 18th, 2008, 04:11 PM
I vote for 7 and 9.

Guerri

Daniel B. Widdis
May 18th, 2008, 05:18 PM
1 and 11 please.



--

Dan

Toni Savage
May 18th, 2008, 05:48 PM
Oh, let's go Scots again!

6 and 16.


-- Toni Savage


--- On Sun, 5/18/08, Russ Heimerson <heimerson (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote:

> From: Russ Heimerson <heimerson (AT) earthlink (DOT) net>
> Subject: [Dixonary] Round 1907 DRAFF Defs Up!
> To: Dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com
> Date: Sunday, May 18, 2008, 1:30 PM
> Here are 18 definitions for DRAFF. One of them came from my
> dictionary,
> the rest are the product of your fiertile imaginations.
>
> Vote for two before the deadline - 10:00pm EDT, 7:00pm PDT
> tomorrow, May 19.
>
> >>> DRAFF <<<
>
>
> 6. [_Scot_] a measure of whisky commonly used before 1800
> A.D.
> > 16. [Scot.] distasteful

Tony Abell
May 19th, 2008, 06:49 AM
I'll take the similar 9 and 16.

> 9. inappropriate; in poor taste.

> 16. [Scot.] distasteful

Christopher Carson
May 19th, 2008, 07:48 AM
I'll go for 3 and 14.

Chris

Paul Keating
May 19th, 2008, 11:06 AM
The popular 7 and 9.

--
Paul Keating
The Hague

France International
May 19th, 2008, 11:22 AM
I"ll take 2 and a wee draff of 6.

Dodi Schultz
May 19th, 2008, 12:15 PM
Weird: Mike's vote came through as a blank e-mail with a binary attachment.
I guess I can go to the tapcis.com site if I really need to see his vote (I
have TAPCIS set to bring me only headers on binary stuff)--but wonder why
that happened...

--Dodi

Daniel B. Widdis
May 19th, 2008, 12:33 PM
DS> Mike's vote came through as a blank e-mail with a binary attachment.

That's what your CIS/TAPCIS settings did when they saw "Content-Type:
multipart/alternative" as one of Mike's headers.

DS> wonder why that happened...

Because Mike used Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 and hasn't
configured it to send mail as only text. It sent it in HTML, which preserved
his lovely font for most of us with modern email clients.

--
Dan

schultz@compuserve.com
May 19th, 2008, 12:53 PM
DS> Mike's vote came through as a blank e-mail with a binary attachment.

DW> Mike used Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 and hasn't
configured it to send mail as only text. It sent it in HTML, which preserved
his lovely font for most of us with modern email clients.

Thanks for explaining, Dan. I guess he uses various e-mail clients,
since usually his messages (including--but not limited to--the
rolling scores) do come through as plaintext.

--Dodi


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France International
May 19th, 2008, 01:27 PM
Actually, I use outlook Express exclusively. I don't know why it would be
different this time.,

Mike

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To: <Dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com>
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 1:53 PM
Subject: [Dixonary] Re: Round 1907 DRAFF Defs Up!


>
>
>
> DS> Mike's vote came through as a blank e-mail with a binary attachment.
>
> DW> Mike used Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 and hasn't
> configured it to send mail as only text. It sent it in HTML, which
preserved
> his lovely font for most of us with modern email clients.
>
> Thanks for explaining, Dan. I guess he uses various e-mail clients,
> since usually his messages (including--but not limited to--the
> rolling scores) do come through as plaintext.
>
> --Dodi
>
>
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Daniel B. Widdis
May 19th, 2008, 01:30 PM
DS> usually [Mike's] messages ... come through as plaintext

He usually posts the scores directly on tapcis.com, which properly converts
things to plaintext. Usually, most of us have our email clients set to
reply in the same format the messages were sent: in this case, Russ's
posting of the definitions was also in HTML format from Mozilla Thunderbird.

You may or may have not seen a binary HTML attachment from Russ's post:
Mozilla products try to be strictly standards-compliant, and the properly
formatted message would have had a plain-text portion (to support older
clients such as your mail setup) and a duplicate HTML portion for those of
us with clients capable of reading it. With proper headers, it would only
display one of the two.

Outlook Express does not do the same thing; it only sends the HTML version.

There are a couple ways to try to prevent issues like this:

1. Dealers should attempt to always post in plain text format, or post in
The Parlor at tapcis.com, which does this automatically. Posting at
tapcis.com has the added benefit of allowing other users to use the board's
"reply by email" feature for sending definitions, which greatly reduces the
chance of accidentally replying to the list.

2. All players should attempt to configure their clients to send by text to
the group whenever possible. OE has different settings for sending initial
messages and replying, and generally replying in the same format a message
was sent is safe for direct correspondence, but doesn't work well for
mailing lists. If it's possible to configure an address book entry to always
be sent as text, that should be done (I think Thunderbird does this, I don't
know about OE.)


--
Dan

Paul Keating
May 19th, 2008, 04:17 PM
Dan,

In fact Outlook Express is not to blame in this case. It sent both versions.
I can see them both in Mike's posted message. Outlook Express rendered
Mike's response in character set: Windows-1252, with content transfer
encoding: quoted-printable. Unfortunately, CompuServe has decided that
quoted-printable is binary and (because Dodi has instructed CompuServe not
to deliver binary messages because they're usually spam) it simply
suppresses the text/plain part of the message.

We have this problem every so often because someone accidentally puts in
their message a quote instead of an inch mark, or an en-dash instead of a
hyphen, or similar. This is extremely easy to do when pasting a def from a
word processor, and extremely hard to see in the message, even when you know
what you're looking for. The mail client then responds by choosing an
encoding that can cope with the funny character.

I can't see any such character in Russ's post or in Mike's reply. My guess
is there was one such that got deleted in the course of composing the
message, but by that stage the encoding had been set to accommodate it.

Even setting up the mail client to post in plain text (and OE can't do it
per address, it's all or nothing) doesn't help this. Encodings such as
ISO-8859-1 and Windows-1252 count as plain text, and all mail clients are
supposed to be able to understand quoted-printable. It's been around since
1993, and it's perfectly readable by humans, if a bit annoying, so it's a
mystery to me why CompuServe thinks it's binary.

--
Paul Keating
The Hague


----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel B. Widdis" <widdis (AT) gmail (DOT) com>
To: <Dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com>
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 8:30 PM
Subject: [Dixonary] Re: Round 1907 DRAFF Defs Up!


>
> Outlook Express does not do the same thing; it only sends the HTML
version.
>
> 1. Dealers should attempt to always post in plain text format.
>
> 2. All players should attempt to configure their clients to send by text
to
> the group whenever possible.

Scott Crom
May 19th, 2008, 06:09 PM
I'll have 1 and 7, please.

Scott

Guerri Stevens
May 20th, 2008, 05:41 AM
I can confirm that Thunderbird has an address book option for "prefers
to receive messages formatted as" and one of the options is plain text.

Guerri

Daniel B. Widdis wrote:
> 2. All players should attempt to configure their clients to send by text to
> the group whenever possible. OE has different settings for sending initial
> messages and replying, and generally replying in the same format a message
> was sent is safe for direct correspondence, but doesn't work well for
> mailing lists. If it's possible to configure an address book entry to always
> be sent as text, that should be done (I think Thunderbird does this, I don't
> know about OE.)