[Dixonary] OT: Google Email and the Game

[Guerri Stevens]

Have any of you Google Email users found a workaround for Google's
non-delivery of messages that you send to the game that Google decides
not to reflect back to you? The tapcis.com Email address is now hosted
by Google. This morning I wondered what had happened to a message I sent
to the group because it didn't appear in my mailbox when I told
Thunderbird to collect mail. I discovered that it arrived OK and then I
remembered some comments awhile ago about the way Google mail worked.

If I want to receive my own Dixonary messages, the only workaround I can
think of is to use an Email account other than tapcis.com to send
messages to the group. One question is whether a different Google
account would work. I.e. guerridix (AT) google (DOT) com for *sending* messages,
and my regular Email for *receiving* messages from the group. Assuming
that would work, or that any other Email address would work, the only
problem I can see is if people within the group addressed their own
private messages to me at the "dummy" Email address. Which they might do.

Or I could use some other Email service. If I did that, I could both
send and receive Dixonary messages with that account. Maybe that would
be safest - an Email account dedicated to Dixonary.

What do you other Google Email users do?


--
Guerri

[Christopher Carson]

Guerri,

I've just been putting up with not getting my own messages reflected back.
I would guess that if you cc:'ed yourself, a copy of the message would end
up in your account. I don't know if there is a setting that could be
changed so that mail would be reflected back to the sender or not. Maybe
someone who is more versed in Google mail intricacies will jump in.

Chris

[Judy Madnick]

----- Original message ----------------------------------------

<< I've just been putting up with not getting my own messages
<< reflected back.

Same here -- with Dixonary anyhow. The only I know of to receive an email I have sent from a gmail account is to use two gmail accounts -- send from one and receive in the other. So when I send an email to my high school elist, I send from milnealumni (at) gmail.com, use bbc for all the alumni names, and then put jmadnick (at) gmail.com in the To field. For Dixonary you could add an alternate email address in the To field and send from your "regular" Dixonary gmail address. Of course, the alternate address doesn't have to be a gmail account -- it could be any alternate email address. Just for kicks, I'm going to add an alternate email address to the To field in this message.

I hope I've said this clearly enough to make sense to others. <G>

Judy Madnick
Jacksonville, FL

[JohnnyB]

Guerri

I use Outlook and specify that a copy of the outgoing message is moved to my dixonary folder - another rule specifies that anything
incoming with dixonary in the title is moved to my dixonary folder

JohnnyB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com
> [mailto:Dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com] On Behalf Of Guerri Stevens
> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 1:33 PM
> To: Google Dixonary
> Subject: [Dixonary] OT: Google Email and the Game
>
>
> Have any of you Google Email users found a workaround for
> Google's non-delivery of messages that you send to the game
> that Google decides not to reflect back to you? The
> tapcis.com Email address is now hosted by Google. This
> morning I wondered what had happened to a message I sent to
> the group because it didn't appear in my mailbox when I told
> Thunderbird to collect mail. I discovered that it arrived OK
> and then I remembered some comments awhile ago about the way
> Google mail worked.
>
> If I want to receive my own Dixonary messages, the only
> workaround I can think of is to use an Email account other
> than tapcis.com to send messages to the group. One question
> is whether a different Google account would work. I.e.
> guerridix (AT) google (DOT) com for *sending* messages, and my regular
> Email for *receiving* messages from the group. Assuming that
> would work, or that any other Email address would work, the
> only problem I can see is if people within the group
> addressed their own private messages to me at the "dummy"
> Email address. Which they might do.
>
> Or I could use some other Email service. If I did that, I
> could both send and receive Dixonary messages with that
> account. Maybe that would be safest - an Email account
> dedicated to Dixonary.
>
> What do you other Google Email users do?
>
>
> --
> Guerri

[Guerri Stevens]

I use Thunderbird and it puts outgoing messages in my Sent folder; I
don't segregate them by recipients. That is fine, and tells me my vote,
for instance, was sent. But it doesn't say the vote was *received* by
the group.

Incoming messages are filtered (by my Thunderbird settings) so that
those that belong to the Dixonary game go into their own folder. But
Thunderbird collects them from my tapcis.com address, now provided by
Google. I have the Dixonary group set up to send messages to me by Email
and that email would go to my tapcis.com address, and if one of those
messages is one that I sent, Google won't deliver it. I don't know where
it goes.

Google mail is a bit odd. I have not really delved into it, but it seems
that there is just one "folder" although it looks like there are folders
for "spam" and "trash" and "sent messages". You can tag messages with
tags of your own choosing but you cannot really move them. I suspect
that Google internally tags things as "inbox" or "sent" or "archived".

There may be no workaround using Google, other than Judy's suggestion to
use two Google accounts, one of which is only for sending Dixonary
messages. The problem with that is there's no way to prevent people from
sending messages to *that* address. I suppose I could insert a vacation
announcement or whatever they call it that says "this account is not
accepting incoming mail".

I do have another Email account that I never use. I could fire it up and
make it work with Thunderbird and do whatever is necessary to make it
work with the Dixonary group (i.e. get messages from the group and allow
my sending of messages). That may be the best solution.

Frankly, I think Google should accept all incoming messages. Something
that comes from one of its groups, even if originally sent by me, should
still be delivered. Either do that, or give users an option to accept
what appear to be duplicates. This is an example of software being
designed to be "helpful" and doing something that in this case is
decidedly unhelpful!

Guerri

JohnnyB wrote:
> I use Outlook and specify that a copy of the outgoing message is
> moved to my dixonary folder - another rule specifies that anything
> incoming with dixonary in the title is moved to my dixonary folder

[Guerri Stevens]

Using a cc wouldn't make any difference other than perhaps Google would
deliver that to me. The main thing is that messages be reflected back
from the Dixonary group to Email. For one thing it keeps conversations
such as this complete, and for another, in the case of votes, we can see
that they were received.

Guerri

Christopher Carson wrote:
> I've just been putting up with not getting my own messages reflected
> back. I would guess that if you cc:'ed yourself, a copy of the message
> would end up in your account.

[Guerri Stevens]

For Chris and other Gmail users:

I was fooling around in Gmail tonight and stumbled over their blog. One
message from an employee seemed to imply that you could receive (and
possibly send) email at an address different from your actual Gmail
address. There were two methods: one using a plus sign after your name,
followed by something else, and one using dots. For example, if your
Email address was janesmith (AT) gmail (DOT) com you could receive mail addressed
to janesmith+dixonary (AT) gmail (DOT) com or jane.smith (AT) gmail (DOT) com.

I started to experiment, thinking I could write my outgoing messages to
the Dixonary group that way and fool Google into letting them reflect
back to me. I got stuck, though, because my Email address is really
"@tapcis.com" not "@gmail.com". I couldn't figure out how to set it up
in Thunderbird so that it would still use the same servers and use the
same password for the outgoing server that I'm using now. I have to read
up on this.

I mention it, though, because maybe some of you with ordinary Gmail
addresses could make it work for yourselves.

Guerri

[Judy Madnick]

From: "Guerri Stevens" <guerri (AT) tapcis (DOT) com>

<< Frankly, I think Google should accept all incoming messages.

I agree! Their system makes life very difficult. They should realize that many users participate in "groups" and want to receive even their own messages so they can keep track of threads. <sigh>

Judy

[Guerri Stevens - Dix]

OK, here's a test. I am replying to Chris's message, but I am calling
myself "Guerri Stevens - Dix" and I've added "+dix" to my Email address.
I did this using Thunderbird's multiple-identity feature.

I have a feeling the message will get sent, but still not reflected back
to me because Google will not be fooled.

Guerri

Christopher Carson wrote:
> I've just been putting up with not getting my own messages reflected
> back...

[Guerri Stevens]

I was right - Google was not fooled. I took a look at the Gmail
filters, but I don't think those would work either, and all they do is
flag messages one way or another. It is really set up to be used
within Gmail, not for people who use another Email client.

I am writing this message directly from the Google group, so because I
was already here, I thought I'd look into having the group deliver
messages differently. But to join the group you specify an Email
address. Unlike the Yahoo group, which allowed the entry of multiple
Email addresses, Google evidently has only the one; there is no way to
tell it to deliver messages by Email but to use a different Email
address.

Therefore, unless you were willing to join the group again, with a
different Email address, I don't think you could write messages to the
group from one Email address while receiving messages from the group
with another. Hmm, you could join again under a different Email
address, and tell it NOT to send Emails at all.

I don't like to be defeated by this. I wonder what would happen if we
were to complain to Google?

On Mar 22, 9:23 pm, Guerri Stevens - Dix wrote:
> OK, here's a test. I am replying to Chris's message, but I am calling
> myself "Guerri Stevens - Dix" and I've added "+dix" to my Email address.
> I did this using Thunderbird's multiple-identity feature.

[Daniel B. Widdis]

Guerri,

You should join with your guerri (AT) tapcis (DOT) com but elect not to receive emails
at that address. (Not only won't you get your own, you won't get any!)
You'll need to be a member of the group (even without receiving email) in
order for your outgoing emails to be processed.

But then you can join with any other email address, perhaps a gmail address,
and have that address auto-forward to your tapcis.com email address. Then
you'll get all the sent messages (and depending on the settings at your
forwarding account, an archive of all your game messages)

--
Dan

[Guerri Stevens]

Dan, I think I understand the setup here: essentially I'd have two
memberships in the Dixonary group: one with my tapcis.com Email address,
which will receive no messages from the group, and a second which will
collect messages from the group and forward them to my tapcis.com Email.

I will have Thunderbird read the messages from tapcis.com.

That sounds reasonable, and I believe Gmail will auto-forward so the
second account could be Gmail. It would be used exclusively for
collecting Dixonary messages.

Now my question is: how do I write messages to the group? Would I do
that with the tapcis.com account? I assume so.

It is still my opinion that Gmail should not treat messages sent by the
group as duplicates of sent messages. My message to the group should be
From me, Sender me, Reply to me, To group. The message as reflected
back should be From me, Sender group, Reply to group, To Group. The
latter is what I see in your message (well, it's from Dan, not me).

I will experiment later setting up two accounts as you describe. Chris
and Judy can do that too, if they want to.

-- Guerri

Daniel B. Widdis wrote:
> You should join with your guerri (AT) tapcis (DOT) com but elect not to receive emails
> at that address. (Not only won't you get your own, you won't get any!)
> You'll need to be a member of the group (even without receiving email) in
> order for your outgoing emails to be processed.
>
> But then you can join with any other email address, perhaps a gmail address,
> and have that address auto-forward to your tapcis.com email address. Then
> you'll get all the sent messages (and depending on the settings at your
> forwarding account, an archive of all your game messages)

[Judy Madnick]

I am replying from the Google groups site and will enter an alternate gmail
address of mine in the To field. Typically I send and receive group messages
via my email program, as I believe you do, Guerri. Yesterday I did this same
test from that program, and it worked out fine.

If you have two memberships in the Dixonary group and use one to send
and the other to receive email, that would work, no? I think that may be
what you described. <G>

Judy


On 3/23/08, Guerri Stevens <guerri (AT) tapcis (DOT) com> wrote:
>
>
> Dan, I think I understand the setup here: essentially I'd have two
> memberships in the Dixonary group: one with my tapcis.com Email address,
> which will receive no messages from the group, and a second which will
> collect messages from the group and forward them to my tapcis.com Email.

[Daniel B. Widdis]

GS> I'd have two memberships in the Dixonary group: one with my
GS> tapcis.com Email address, which will receive no messages from
GS> the group, and a second which will collect messages from the
GS> group and forward them to my tapcis.com Email.

Right. You can think of them as a "sending" account and "receiving"
account. The receiving one will auto-forward to your sending one so you
only have to set up TB for a single account, the "sending" one.

GS> Now my question is: how do I write messages to the group? Would
GS> I do that with the tapcis.com account? I assume so.

Precisely.

GS> It is still my opinion that Gmail should not treat messages
GS> sent by the group as duplicates of sent messages.

It's mine, too. The purpose of that design works great for gmail's
web-based interface where it categorizes "conversations" with sent and
received messages in the same thread. However, for the many of us who use
the POP3 or IMAP interfaces, it's a very annoying "hole". They should at
least make it an option!

--
Dan

[Guerri Stevens]

Yes, that's essentially what Dan described to me. With one added
feature: the account to which the group will *send* your messages has to
be set up to automatically forward all received messages to your other
account, the one from which you will write. So your Email program would
collect messages as you always did, and when you reply you'd be replying
from the "writing" account. All of it sounds complicated - best not to
try to explain to anyone!

Even as we speak I am setting up a new Gmail account to be the receiving
account. As I look at it, it appears that a Gmail account can be set up
to forward to another account and/or to grab mail from another account.
So I am setting the new one to forward to my tapcis.com Email.

I made a few mistakes along the way, like logging into the Group with my
tapcis.com information, and turning off the sending of Emails. I had
forgotten that you cannot just join up, you have to be approved. So I
had to go back and reset that until I find out that my membership is
approved.

What's really odd (Dan, are you reading this) is that in both cases,
signing in to open the second membership and signing in on the existing
membership, is that signing OUT didn't seem to work. I clicked the Sign
Out, the little thing in the upper right corner of the Firefox screen
whirled, and the "Done" appeared at the bottom, but it was still showing
my name at the top right of the screen and instead of "log in" it still
said "log out". I tried twice. Finally I told Firefox to clear all
private data, including cookies, and then the log out worked.

Note: I did NOT tell it to "remember me on this computer".

Guerri

P.S. Judy: your message shows your jmadnick@gmail address as "from", the
sender and reply to as the Dixonary group, and "to" as the group and
judyandstu (AT) gmail (DOT) I mention this in case it matters to you.

Judy Madnick wrote:
> I am replying from the Google groups site and will enter an alternate gmail
> address of mine in the To field. Typically I send and receive group messages
> via my email program, as I believe you do, Guerri. Yesterday I did this same
> test from that program, and it worked out fine.
>
> If you have two memberships in the Dixonary group and use one to send
> and the other to receive email, that would work, no? I think that may be
> what you described. <G>
>
> Judy
>
>
> On 3/23/08, Guerri Stevens <guerri (AT) tapcis (DOT) com> wrote:
>>
>> Dan, I think I understand the setup here: essentially I'd have two
>> memberships in the Dixonary group: one with my tapcis.com Email address,
>> which will receive no messages from the group, and a second which will
>> collect messages from the group and forward them to my tapcis.com Email.
>

[Judy Madnick]

From: "Daniel B. Widdis" <widdis (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

<< However, for the
<< many of us who use
<< the POP3 or IMAP interfaces, it's a very annoying "hole". They
<< should at
<< least make it an option!

Agreed!

Judy

[Judy Madnick]

From: "Guerri Stevens" <guerri (AT) tapcis (DOT) com>

<< P.S. Judy: your message shows your jmadnick@gmail
<< address as "from", the
<< sender and reply to as the Dixonary group, and "to" as the
<< group and
<< judyandstu (AT) gmail (DOT) I mention this in case it matters to you.

The first address is my current Dixonary/gmail address. The second is an another gmail account that I have, and by putting that in the TO field on my end, I rec'd my own email. Are you asking this because it exposes another of my email addresses?

Judy

[Daniel B. Widdis]

GS> (Dan, are you reading this) [re: logout not working]

Yes, I read it, and I have no idea why it happened.

--
Dan

[Guerri Stevens]

No, I asked because I didn't know what part, if any, you'd see when you
received your own message. You did expose an Email address, though,
although I see them in most, if not all, messages, as the From address.

Guerri

Judy Madnick wrote:
> The first address is my current Dixonary/gmail address. The second is
> an another gmail account that I have, and by putting that in the TO
> field on my end, I rec'd my own email. Are you asking this because it
> exposes another of my email addresses?

[Judy Madnick]

From: "Guerri Stevens" <guerri (AT) tapcis (DOT) com>

<< No, I asked because I didn't know what part, if any, you'd see
<< when you
<< received your own message. You did expose an Email
<< address, though,
<< although I see them in most, if not all, messages, as the From
<< address.

I, too, see all the From addresses. I wonder whether anyone feels that he or she has had a problem with spam due to the appearance of an email address. My spam level in gmail has remained quite consistent -- about 13 messages per day, which is *much* better than Yahoo's record!

Judy

[Guerri Stevens]

Late this afternoon it worked, but it seemed that everything was very
slow, and that a couple of times the little circle would whirl and the
word "done" would appear, but the page would be blank. We have a
satellite network for Internet, so it's possible that something was
wrong on my end of things.

Guerri

Daniel B. Widdis wrote:
> Yes, I read it, and I have no idea why it happened.

[Guerri Stevens]

This is not working as originally expected. And it makes sense. The two
accounts which I'll call Send and Receive are set up. The idea is to
have both be members of the Google Dixonary group, with the Send account
not having any group messages delivered to it. The Receive account will
have all messages sent to it and forward them to the Send account.

In thinking this through, the problem is exactly the same: the Send
account knows about the message it sent to the group. The group reflects
that message, among others, to the Receive account. The Receive account
passes it along to the Send account, but because the message itself is
still the same, considers it a duplicate and doesn't accept it.

I have changed the settings on the Receive account so that it no longer
forwards messages to the Send account and I have added the Receive
account to Thunderbird and will collect messages from it. I don't know
how replying and sending will work out: my Send account is first in the
list, so maybe that will automatically be selected as the "sender". Then
again, maybe Tbird will automatically use the receive account as the
sender. I will find out.

Another oddity, at least I thought so. My assumption was that the group
itself was like other entities that have you set up accounts using Email
addresses. Namely, that the password you assign for the Group is, or can
be, different from the password that you use for your actual Email. So
on Amazon, for example, I could say my Email address is xyz (AT) gmail (DOT) com
and the password is xxxxx but my password for accessing my mail itself
is yyyyy. Imagine my surprise when I went to my Receive account and what
I thought was my password there gave me that mismatch message! It
doesn't work that way with my tapcis.com Email and the group, but then
that's a bit different.

Guerri

Daniel B. Widdis wrote:
> GS> I'd have two memberships in the Dixonary group: one with my
> GS> tapcis.com Email address, which will receive no messages from
> GS> the group, and a second which will collect messages from the
> GS> group and forward them to my tapcis.com Email.

[Guerri Stevens]

I have just verified that when replying to a message that went from my
tapcis.com account to the group then to my dixonary gmail account from
the group, Thunderbird defaults to having the From of my reply be the
dixonary account (my Receiver account). I can change that manually, but
have not yet figured out a way to make it automatic, if there is one.

Question 9,457,328: Thunderbird has a "reply to" setting. What happens
if I fill that in? For example, if I put my tapcis.com address there?
For that matter, what if I were to put my tapcis.com address in Tbird's
account setings for my dixonary (receiver) account? Is there anyone here
who is not yet confused by this???

Guerri

Guerri Stevens wrote:
>
> This is not working as originally expected. And it makes sense. The two
> accounts which I'll call Send and Receive are set up. The idea is to
> have both be members of the Google Dixonary group, with the Send account
> not having any group messages delivered to it. The Receive account will
> have all messages sent to it and forward them to the Send account.
>
> In thinking this through, the problem is exactly the same: the Send
> account knows about the message it sent to the group. The group reflects
> that message, among others, to the Receive account. The Receive account
> passes it along to the Send account, but because the message itself is
> still the same, considers it a duplicate and doesn't accept it.
>
> I have changed the settings on the Receive account so that it no longer
> forwards messages to the Send account and I have added the Receive
> account to Thunderbird and will collect messages from it. I don't know
> how replying and sending will work out: my Send account is first in the
> list, so maybe that will automatically be selected as the "sender". Then
> again, maybe Tbird will automatically use the receive account as the
> sender. I will find out.
>
> Another oddity, at least I thought so. My assumption was that the group
> itself was like other entities that have you set up accounts using Email
> addresses. Namely, that the password you assign for the Group is, or can
> be, different from the password that you use for your actual Email. So
> on Amazon, for example, I could say my Email address is xyz (AT) gmail (DOT) com
> and the password is xxxxx but my password for accessing my mail itself
> is yyyyy. Imagine my surprise when I went to my Receive account and what
> I thought was my password there gave me that mismatch message! It
> doesn't work that way with my tapcis.com Email and the group, but then
> that's a bit different.
>
> Guerri
>
> Daniel B. Widdis wrote:
>> GS> I'd have two memberships in the Dixonary group: one with my GS>
>> tapcis.com Email address, which will receive no messages from GS> the
>> group, and a second which will collect messages from the GS> group and
>> forward them to my tapcis.com Email.
>
>
>

[Daniel B. Widdis]

GS> I have just verified that when replying to a message that went
GS> from my tapcis.com account to the group then to my dixonary
GS> gmail account from the group, Thunderbird defaults to having the
GS> From of my reply be the dixonary account

Did you set up the dixonary account to forward to the tapcis.com account?
If you told Thunderbird to download from the other account that's expected
behavior...

If it's forwarding and still doing that, then I bet the following will fix
it:
1. log in to your tapcis.com account.
2. Click on "Settings" and then "Accounts."
3. Add the email address of your new dixonary email account. (You may need
to reply to a confirmation email at that other account.)
4. Below the email addresses, click the selector button to "always reply
from my default address."

GS> Thunderbird has a "reply to" setting. What happens
GS> if I fill that in?

For messages to the group, nothing, because the group overrides the reply-to
(and makes it reply-to the group). If you use your account to send to other
people, that changes the default "To" address the recipient gets when they
click "reply."

--
Dan

[Guerri Stevens]

Dan, There are two separate issues here: Part 1: there is the problem of
getting my own messages reflected back to me. Part 2: the way that
Thunderbird chooses the FROM address on messages I write.

Part 1: The idea was, as you mentioned in your message, to have two
email accounts be members of the Google group, tapcis.com to receive no
messages, and dixonary to receive all messsages. The Dixonary account
was to forward all messages back to the tapcis.com email. I would write
all messages to the group using the tapcis.com email address.

This did not do what it was supposed to do because tapcis.com *still*
refused to accept messages that I wrote using tapcis.com as the FROM
address, even though they were coming from the dixonary Email address. I
believe that those messages did arrive at the dixonary account, but I
can't prove it.

So I decided the thing to do was to remove the forwarding from the
Dixonary Gmail. It would still receive all messages but would not
forward them. I set up an account for it in Thunderbird and indeed it
delivered all messages to me, including mine.

Guerri's self-induced glitch: I don't know how this happened - possibly
I decided to keep receiving messages with tapcis.com for awhile just to
make sure I didn't miss anything, then go back and turn off the group
messages. In any event, the result just now (mid-afternoon Monday the
24th) was a few duplicated messages.

As of right now:
In the Google group:
tapcis.com: set to receive no messages
dixonary: set to receive all messages
tapcis.com email settings:
no forwarding
only one email account
pop3 enabled
messages accessed with pop3 to be deleted from gmail
dixonary email settings:
no forwarding
only one email account
pop3 enabled
messages accessed with pop3 to be deleted from gmail
Thunderbird
an account for tapcis.com
an account for dixonary
I get mail from both
set to delete msgs from server when received (redundant)

Part 2: this is purely a Thunderbird issue and we can address it later.

Have you, or has anyone, tried out the original scheme and had it work?

My current setup is OK for now. When my house guests leave, I will have
more time to work on this and digest the rest of your message.

Guerri

Daniel B. Widdis wrote:
> Did you set up the dixonary account to forward to the tapcis.com account?
> If you told Thunderbird to download from the other account that's expected
> behavior...

[Guerri Stevens]

An addendum to my previous message: is it possible that my failure to
turn off the sending of messsages from the google group to my tapcis.com
email was responsible for the non-delivery of my own messages?

-- Guerri

Guerri Stevens wrote:
>
> Dan, There are two separate issues here: Part 1: there is the problem of
> getting my own messages reflected back to me. Part 2: the way that
> Thunderbird chooses the FROM address on messages I write.

[Daniel B. Widdis]

GS> Have you, or has anyone, tried out the original scheme and had it work?

A frayed knot.

I have done both things, separately for separate purposes, but didn't
realize the sending/receiving/messageID thing would give the same problem as
the original.

Having TB get both accounts and eliminate duplicates sounds like a great
solution.

--
Dan

[Guerri Stevens]

The original solution, with one account forwarding to the other, is
certainly more elegant and avoids the problem of the "from" in replies
written in Thunderbird. Possibly I will find a fix for that. I still
wonder whether I did something wrong in the original setup, and may give
it a try again.

I am not getting duplicates now; they resulted from having the group
send messages to both accounts.

Guerri

Daniel B. Widdis wrote:
> I have done both things, separately for separate purposes, but didn't
> realize the sending/receiving/messageID thing would give the same problem as
> the original.

[Guerri Stevens]

Mostly for Dan: I hope this will be the last of these OT messages on the
subject. I have found a kludge for Thunderbird's method of selecting the
From address for replies. I went into my special dixonary Gmail
account, which now receives all messages from the Dixonary group. I set
up a filter so that messages that are *not* from me at my tapcis.com
account will be forwarded to the tapcis.com account.

I have not tested this yet, but my assumption is that I can collect
messages from tapcis.com and they will include all the game messages
except those I wrote plus messages that are regular, non-game Email. If
I reply to one of the game (or other) messages thus collected,
Thunderbird should default the From address to tapcis.com.

I will still collect messages from the dixonary account, but they will
be only messages that I sent to the game, and it would be rare for me to
reply to one of those messages.

I may still poke at this hoping for a better method, but I think this
will work decently for now. I am going to contact Google about not
reflecting back my own messages. This may only affect a few players, but
it might affect participants in other Google Groups as well.

Guerri