[Dixonary] new qord: QUARTAN

[Dave Cunningham]

Barring DQs, the next word shall be QUARTAN. For which kindly submit
DQs and definitions before 8 p.m. EST on Monday, November 5th. No
bonfires, please!

Thanks!

Dave
DQ, DF

[Tim Lodge]

Dave

No bonfires? What about us Brits?

Fortunately, because of the time difference, we shall have had our
local bonfire and fireworks and be firmly tucked up in bed by the
deadline.

-- Tim L

[Bill Hirst]

The result of having a friend place quarters on your naked skin when
you fall asleep sunbathing.

Not a Dixon, not worth 25 cents.

-Bill

[Hugo Kornelis]

Hi all,

Does anybody else have trouble getting email to Dave? My def was refused,
twice, with this error:

------

This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

cunn5393 (AT) bellsouth (DOT) net
SMTP error from remote mail server after initial connection:
host gateway-f1.isp.att.net [204.127.217.16]:
550-194.159.73.196 blocked by ldap:ou=rblmx,dc=bellsouth,dc=net
550 Error - Blocked for abuse. See http://www.att.net/bls_rbl/ for
information.

-------

Dave, do you have any alternative email address?

Best, Hugo

[Christopher Carson]

Hugo,

It appears that AT&T thinks your email server is a spam source and is
blocking mail that originates from it. If you have an alternate outgoing
server, you might try that. If you have a gmail, hotmail, or yahoo account
you could create a message on their web page and send it that way.

Chris


----- Original Message -----
From: "Hugo Kornelis" <hugo (AT) perFact (DOT) info>
To: <Dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com>
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 10:39 AM
Subject: [Dixonary] Re: new qord: QUARTAN


>
> Hi all,
>
> Does anybody else have trouble getting email to Dave? My def was refused,
> twice, with this error:
>
> ------
>
> This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.
>
> A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
> recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
>
> cunn5393 (AT) bellsouth (DOT) net
> SMTP error from remote mail server after initial connection:
> host gateway-f1.isp.att.net [204.127.217.16]:
> 550-194.159.73.196 blocked by ldap:ou=rblmx,dc=bellsouth,dc=net
> 550 Error - Blocked for abuse. See http://www.att.net/bls_rbl/ for
> information.
>
> -------
>
> Dave, do you have any alternative email address?
>
> Best, Hugo

[schultz@compuserve.com]

>> It appears that AT&T thinks your email server is a
>> spam source and is blocking mail that originates from it.
>> If you have an alternate outgoing server, you might try that.

Chris, rather than bowing to that idiocy, wouldn't it be better
to get the AT&T robots to stop doing that, either by writing to
someone there or, preferably, getting Dave to do so, since he's
their customer?

--Dodi




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[Christopher Carson]

Of course, that would be the best course but that can be easier said than
done and Hugo probably doesn't want to wait for the AT&T wheels to grind for
a couple of months. This isn't the first case I've heard of an ISP getting
blacklisted and wholesale quantities of mail being rejected. AT&T
apparently requires that the system administrator of the blocked ISP submit
an application for unblocking on their form.


----- Original Message -----
From: <schultz (AT) compuserve (DOT) com>
To: <Dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com>
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 12:59 PM
Subject: [Dixonary] Re: new qord: QUARTAN





>> It appears that AT&T thinks your email server is a
>> spam source and is blocking mail that originates from it.
>> If you have an alternate outgoing server, you might try that.

Chris, rather than bowing to that idiocy, wouldn't it be better
to get the AT&T robots to stop doing that, either by writing to
someone there or, preferably, getting Dave to do so, since he's
their customer?

--Dodi




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[Christopher Carson]

That would be good if Dave could do that and get the problem solved.

[Daniel B. Widdis]

I unblocked another site without being the system administrator. It
took less than a day after filling out an online form.

--
Dan Widdis
Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 5, 2007, at 10:07 AM, Christopher Carson <christopherlanecarson (AT) gmail (DOT) com
> wrote:

>
> Of course, that would be the best course but that can be easier said
> than done and Hugo probably doesn't want to wait for the AT&T wheels
> to grind for a couple of months. This isn't the first case I've
> heard of an ISP getting blacklisted and wholesale quantities of mail
> being rejected. AT&T apparently requires that the system
> administrator of the blocked ISP submit an application for
> unblocking on their form.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <schultz (AT) compuserve (DOT) com>
> To: <Dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com>
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 12:59 PM
> Subject: [Dixonary] Re: new qord: QUARTAN
>
>
>
>
>
>>> It appears that AT&T thinks your email server is a
>>> spam source and is blocking mail that originates from it.
>>> If you have an alternate outgoing server, you might try that.
>
> Chris, rather than bowing to that idiocy, wouldn't it be better
> to get the AT&T robots to stop doing that, either by writing to
> someone there or, preferably, getting Dave to do so, since he's
> their customer?
>
> --Dodi
>
>
>
>
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>

[Dave Cunningham]

It would be nice if I had the foggiest idea how to do it!

My cs account is a big spam attraction right now --- which is why I
tell people NOT to use it.

collect at compuserve dot com ... but no guarantees (sigh).
Deadline extended to 7 a.m. on Tuesday for everyone so we can try it
as a last resort.

ATT does not seem to allow its users to whitelist another server
(sigh).


Dave

On Nov 5, 1:16 pm, Christopher Carson
<christopherlanecar... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> That would be good if Dave could do that and get the problem solved.

[Judy Madnick]

Dave:

Did you receive my definition, which I sent to your bellsouth.net address?

Judy Madnick

[Guerri Stevens]

I don't know whether this is possible, but: could you go to the Google
Dixonary group itself, log in, and use whatever option they've got to
send private Email to Dave? I think that is possible but haven't checked.

Guerri

Hugo Kornelis wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Does anybody else have trouble getting email to Dave? My def was
> refused, twice, with this error:
>
> ------
>
> This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.
>
> A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
> recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
>
> cunn5393 (AT) bellsouth (DOT) net
> SMTP error from remote mail server after initial connection:
> host gateway-f1.isp.att.net [204.127.217.16]:
> 550-194.159.73.196 blocked by ldap:ou=rblmx,dc=bellsouth,dc=net
> 550 Error - Blocked for abuse. See http://www.att.net/bls_rbl/ for
> information.
>
> -------
>
> Dave, do you have any alternative email address?
>
> Best, Hugo
>
>

[Hugo Kornelis]

Hi Dave,

> collect at compuserve dot com ... but no guarantees (sigh).

Apologies in advance for spamming you, but I really wanted to get my def in
so I sent you four copies:

* From the Google groups website (thanks for the suggestion, Guerri!);
* From my regular mail to your CompuServe mail;
* From my Yahoo! mail account to your regular mail; and
* From the webmail portal of my regular mail (I normally use my internet
provider's outgoing mails erver) to your regular mail.

I hope that at least one makes it through - and I hope you don't mind if
more make it.

Best, Hugo

[Dave Cunningham]

Hugo, I got them all <g> as well as Judy's ... I think using the
"reply to author" option in Googlegroups works as well as any
method ...

Dave

On Nov 5, 5:45 pm, "Hugo Kornelis" <h... (AT) perFact (DOT) info> wrote:
> Hi Dave,
>
> > collect at compuserve dot com ... but no guarantees (sigh).
>
> Apologies in advance for spamming you, but I really wanted to get my def in
> so I sent you four copies:
>
> * From the Google groups website (thanks for the suggestion, Guerri!);
> * From my regular mail to your CompuServe mail;
> * From my Yahoo! mail account to your regular mail; and
> * From the webmail portal of my regular mail (I normally use my internet
> provider's outgoing mails erver) to your regular mail.
>
> I hope that at least one makes it through - and I hope you don't mind if
> more make it.
>
> Best, Hugo

[Paul Keating]

It's not just Hugo, it's me too. Both compuserve.com and bellsouth.net have
banned, not just Hugo's ISP, but, it appears, all email from The
Netherlands.

It's unfortunate, but big ISPs in the US don't seem to understand that
internet providers in Europe are far less fragmented than in the US. So they
will record a couple of hundred spam messages emanating from one address in,
let's say, demon.nl (Hugo's ISP), or iplanet.nl (my ISP), or ntl.co.uk (my
ISP when I lived in England) and automatically ban the entire domain, not
realizing, or -- ok, let's be honest -- realizing but not caring, that they
are in the process banning several million almost entirely innocent users.
In the meantime, the responsible ISP has of course already shut the culprit
down.

No US ISP would automatically ban all email from aol.com or compuserve.com
or comcast.com. But most of them routinely do it to us now and then. As now.

Sending email from the EU to the US is getting to be like being an EU
tourist arriving at O'Hare.

My best suggestion is, if you get landed with the deal, get a googlemail
address if you don't already have one, so at least you can be reached via
Google Groups.

I weep for what the spammers have done to us.

--
Paul Keating
The Hague

----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Carson" <christopherlanecarson (AT) gmail (DOT) com>
To: <Dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com>
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 7:07 PM
Subject: [Dixonary] Re: new qord: QUARTAN


>
> Of course, that would be the best course but that can be easier said than
> done and Hugo probably doesn't want to wait for the AT&T wheels to grind
for
> a couple of months. This isn't the first case I've heard of an ISP
getting
> blacklisted and wholesale quantities of mail being rejected. AT&T
> apparently requires that the system administrator of the blocked ISP
submit
> an application for unblocking on their form.
>
>

[Dodi Schultz]

>> This isn't the first case I've heard of an ISP getting blacklisted
>> and wholesale quantities of mail being rejected. AT&T apparently
>> requires that the system administrator of the blocked ISP submit an
>> application for unblocking on their form.

Good lord. PerFact is Hugo's company!

--Dodi

[Dodi Schultz]

Dave, best you acknowledge ALL defs received, since they may be into some
kind of mass blocking or something.

Bill, you have the same ISP. Has this happened to you, too? Or have you
been using only your gmail for Dixonary?

--Dodi

[Dodi Schultz]

Dan, any idea why your message came through as binary only? (Dunno what it
says yet; have to have TAPCIS go fetch it, since I've got it set to bring
me only headers on attachments.

--Dodi

[Dave Cunningham]

Current defs from Schultz, Keating, Kornelis, Crom, Scott, Barr,
Stevens, Carson, Hirst, Abell, Savage, Shepherdson, Emery, Bourne,
Lodge, Madnick and Widdis.

On Nov 5, 6:14 pm, Dodi Schultz <SCHU... (AT) compuserve (DOT) com> wrote:
> Dave, best you acknowledge ALL defs received, since they may be into some
> kind of mass blocking or something.
>
> Bill, you have the same ISP. Has this happened to you, too? Or have you
> been using only your gmail for Dixonary?
>
> --Dodi

[Guerri Stevens]

I am not weeping, but I am really mad that we have to operate the way we
do because of the spammers.

Guerri

Paul Keating wrote:
> I weep for what the spammers have done to us.

[Bill Hirst]

Dodi, I've noticied a occasional LONG delay in incoming mail with
gMail (or Gmail). Russ's "gaum" definition arrived in my mailbox about
3-4 hours after the submissions deadlime. It was sent about an hour
before the deadline. Unfortunately, I no longer have the message.
Without that info it's hard to pinpoint a proble. The message went
through the sender's isp (Earthlink), then my old isp (bellsouth),
then had an automatic forward to gmail.

-Bill

On Nov 5, 6:14 pm, Dodi Schultz <SCHU... (AT) compuserve (DOT) com> wrote:
> Dave, best you acknowledge ALL defs received, since they may be into some
> kind of mass blocking or something.
>
> Bill, you have the same ISP. Has this happened to you, too? Or have you
> been using only your gmail for Dixonary?
>
> --Dodi

[Daniel B. Widdis]

On 11/5/07, Dodi Schultz <SCHULTZ (AT) compuserve (DOT) com> wrote:
>
> Dan, any idea why your message came through as binary only?

Probably because it included the special character of an R inside a
circle which was associated with a Mail2Web footer in a previous
message I quoted (perhaps yours?)

I normally don't quote messages when I can easily edit them out, but
the geniuses at Apple haven't made block editing
(cut/copy/paste/delete) a feature of the iPhone yet. I still love
mine.

--
Dan Widdis

[Hugo Kornelis]

Hi Dodi,

My company has a cheap domain hosting service. As a result, I do have a
server for incoming mail, but no server for outgoing mail. All mail I send
is always sent through the servers of my internet access provider, demon.nl
(well, that's still the name of the server though it should be xs4all.nl as
Demon UK sold all Dutch customers to XS4All).

So it's apparently the demon.nl domain being blocked by AT&T, which will
indeed affect many thousands of Dutch customers.

Best, Hugo

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dodi Schultz" <SCHULTZ (AT) compuserve (DOT) com>
To: <Dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 12:14 AM
Subject: [Dixonary] new qord: QUARTAN




>> This isn't the first case I've heard of an ISP getting blacklisted
>> and wholesale quantities of mail being rejected. AT&T apparently
>> requires that the system administrator of the blocked ISP submit an
>> application for unblocking on their form.

Good lord. PerFact is Hugo's company!

--Dodi

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Dit bericht is gecontroleerd door het NOD32 Antivirus Systeem.
http://www.nod32.nl

[Judy Madnick]

----- Original message ----------------------------------------
From: "Guerri Stevens" <guerri (AT) tapcis (DOT) com>

<< I am not weeping, but I am really mad that we have to operate
<< the way we
<< do because of the spammers.

Ditto. Some people just have too much time on their hands. <sigh>

Judy

[Daniel B. Widdis]

It's not the time, but rather the fact that sending mail to a million
people is as easy and inexpensive as sending to one.

--
Dan Widdis
Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 6, 2007, at 4:24 AM, "Judy Madnick" wrote:
>
>
> Ditto. Some people just have too much time on their hands. <sigh>

[Dodi Schultz]

>> So it's apparently the demon.nl domain being blocked by AT&T, which
>> will indeed affect many thousands of Dutch customers.

Evidently, Hugo--but NOT by CompuServe, as Paul seemed to think.

--Dodi

[Dodi Schultz]

>> Some people just have too much time on their hands. <sigh>

Judy, spammers aren't whiling away time. They're making Big Money.

--Dodi

[Judy Madnick]

----- Original message ----------------------------------------
From: "Dodi Schultz" <SCHULTZ (AT) compuserve (DOT) com>

<< Judy, spammers aren't whiling away time. They're making Big
<< Money.

Some are making "big money." Others are aggravating us. Not all spammers are selling something.

Judy

[Paul Keating]

When I saw the message about bellsouth.com rejecting Hugo's mail, I sent my
message to both of Dave's addresses. AT&T rejected my email "Error - Blocked
for abuse" and CompuServe rejected my email "Server rejected MAIL FROM
address; IP address denied-4". So maybe Compuserve didn't ban Hugo's ISP,
demon.nl, but both AT&T and CompuServe did ban my ISP, iplanet.nl.

Both domains are owned by KPN, the former PTT now privatized, which is ISP
to half the country. Imagine! Banning around 5 million internet users just
like that, and expecting their network administrator to apply for
readmission.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dodi Schultz" <SCHULTZ (AT) compuserve (DOT) com>
To: <Dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 6:00 PM
Subject: [Dixonary] new qord: QUARTAN





>> So it's apparently the demon.nl domain being blocked by AT&T, which
>> will indeed affect many thousands of Dutch customers.

Evidently, Hugo--but NOT by CompuServe, as Paul seemed to think.

--Dodi