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Dave Cunningham
October 14th, 2007, 05:21 PM
I was surprised that some folks did not vote even with the extended
deadline. I ran into a snag when two people gave defs based on the
correct etymology of the word -- so I combined the three definitions
as best I could without trying to put Greek characters in the text.

1. the process of returning a clergyman to lay status [Heimerson]
NV (Stevens) (Barrs) (Emery) 3 points

2. government by moneylenders. [Hirst] 11 14 nil

3. [Obs.] leprosy [Stevens] 1 8 (Shefler) 1

4. the application of baffles, curtains and other items to improve
the acoustics of a building [Bourne] NV nil

5. a false assumption of knowledge. [Schultz] *10 12 (Lodge)
(Savage) (Carson) 2 + 3 = 5 !!

6. a skin disease of cattle. [Emery] NV (Savage)
(Madnick) )Shepherdson) 3

7. An accelerating reference frame for which Newton's laws of
motion do not apply and in which force does not equal the product of
an object's mass and acceleration. [Widdis] 8 *10 2 + 0 = 2

8. the belief, prevalent in 14th century Europe and England, that
the papal schism heralded the coming of the Anti-Christ and presaged
the Apocalpyse. [Shefler] 3 12 (Stevens) (Widdis) (Barrs)
(Shepherson) 4

9. A dispute about facts or knowledge, in contrast to a merely
verbal dispute. [Crom] *10 12 (Carson) 2 + 1 = 3

10. swordplay with an imaginary opponent as a form of practice; also
_fig._ [Gk., fm skiā- 'shadow' + -makh*ā 'fighting'] [Keating] NV
4 points
an act or instance of fighting a shadow or an imaginary enemy.
[RHD] D4
1. a variety of sabre-fencing without any contact; 2. non-
contact swordplay used by film stuntmen to simulate a fight [Gk s??´a
= shadow + µa´?? = fight] [Barrs] 1 8 4 points
COMBINED as swordplay with an imaginary opponent as a form of
practice; an act or instance of fighting a shadow or imaginary
enemy. (Widdis) (Schultz) (Lodge) (Crom) D4

11. The study of pain and its causes. [Savage] 5 6 (Hirst)
(Madnick) (Emery) (Abell) 4

12. A dispute about natural laws. [Carson] 5 9 (Schultz)
(Shefler) (Crom) 3

13. condition of the skin when it has been scratched (med.)
[Shepherdson] 6 8 nil

14. cunning, amoral, and opportunist political activity. [Lodge]
5 *10 (Hirst) 2 + 1 = 3

15. a political movement in 4th Republic France promoting
farming. [Scott] NV (Abell) 1


Madnick 6 11 no points
Abell 11 15 nil

Note the combination of Barrs' and Keating's defs with the real
def. The etymologies were all just too close to the real def (sigh).

Leaving Dodi as the next dealer, and a four way tie for Winnah
between Shefler, Keating, Barrs and Savage.

Dave
DQ, DF


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Dodi Schultz
October 14th, 2007, 06:29 PM
Thanks. Came through here only as a binary attachment. (Had to send TAP
back to fetch.) How'd THAT happen?

--Dodi

Toni Savage
October 14th, 2007, 06:29 PM
Yeah,... Theresa always said to pick a word with
"etymology unk."

--- Dave Cunningham <cunn5393 (AT) bellsouth (DOT) net> wrote:

>
> I was surprised that some folks did not vote even>
with the extended deadline. I ran into a snag when
two people gave defs based on the correct etymology of
the word -- so I combined the three definitions as
best I could without trying to put Greek characters in
the text.

----------------
> Note the combination of Barrs' and Keating's defs
with the real def. The etymologies were all just too
close to the real def (sigh).
>

-- Toni Savage

Guerri Stevens
October 14th, 2007, 08:43 PM
This doesn't change the selection of the next dealer, but Toni also
voted for my definition (#3):

3 and 6, 'cause they're short.

> >
> > 3. [Obs.] leprosy
> >
> > 6. a skin disease of cattle.
> >

> -- Toni Savage




Guerri

Dave Cunningham wrote:
> 11. The study of pain and its causes. [Savage] 5 6 (Hirst)
> (Madnick) (Emery) (Abell) 4

Guerri Stevens
October 14th, 2007, 08:51 PM
Dave, hmmm, I believe in fact that Toni's vote *does* change the
selection of the next dealer. She voted for 3 and 6, not 5 and 6, which
means Dodi got 2 votes plus 2 for her vote for the real definition, for
a total of 4 and you have a 5-way tie.

Guerri

Dave Cunningham wrote:
> ...
> Leaving Dodi as the next dealer, and a four way tie for Winnah
> between Shefler, Keating, Barrs and Savage.

dixonary@siam.co.uk
October 15th, 2007, 03:15 AM
> 4. the application of baffles, curtains and other items to improve
> the acoustics of a building [Bourne] NV nil
>
I did send a vote - evidence below. It's listed under the thread:

new new new word: SCIAMACHY

Best wishes,

Tim B

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Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 08:35:02 +0100
To: Dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com
Subject: Re: [Dixonary] 1845 SCIAMACHY defs
From: dixonary (AT) siam (DOT) co.uk

8 and 15, please.

Best wishes,

Tim B

Dave Cunningham
October 15th, 2007, 05:45 AM
Argh -- I counted and recounted every vote which was a reply to the
list of defs in Google groups -- didn't think of trying all the other
threads.

Dave

On Oct 15, 4:15 am, dixon... (AT) siam (DOT) co.uk wrote:
> > 4. the application of baffles, curtains and other items to improve
> > the acoustics of a building [Bourne] NV nil
>
> I did send a vote - evidence below. It's listed under the thread:
>
> new new new word: SCIAMACHY
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Tim B
>
> ================================================
>
> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 08:35:02 +0100
> To: Dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com
> Subject: Re: [Dixonary] 1845 SCIAMACHY defs
> From: dixon... (AT) siam (DOT) co.uk
>
> 8 and 15, please.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Tim B

Guerri Stevens
October 15th, 2007, 06:09 AM
The problem is that not all votes cast end up in exactly the same
thread, for whatever reason. According to the rules, votes must be cast
by reply to the message with the definitions and "the dealer has
discretion to ignore any vote not cast in that manner". So technically,
you could have ignored any not contained in the proper thread. But in
practice, we've tended to count all votes cast, no matter how.

Maybe you should consider having the Google group deliver messages to
your Email address, at least when dealing. That might make it harder to
miss votes, although the delivery by Email is not foolproof.

Guerri

Dave Cunningham wrote:
>
> Argh -- I counted and recounted every vote which was a reply to the
> list of defs in Google groups -- didn't think of trying all the other
> threads.

Daniel B. Widdis
October 15th, 2007, 10:59 AM
On 10/15/07, Guerri Stevens wrote:
> According to the rules, votes must be cast
> by reply to the message with the definitions
> and "the dealer has discretion to ignore any
> vote not cast in that manner".

But it's impossible for us to tell whether votes are a reply or a new
message for some of our players with clients which don't track the
message ID #s.

I've found that the forums at tapcis.com almost always have the
complete list in one thread these days.

--
Dan Widdis

Guerri Stevens
October 15th, 2007, 07:14 PM
Seems to me that if the subject itself is not the same, it's a different
thread. I realize that there are also problems due to the various Email
clients being used. I play by Email unless there are Email problems, so
the threading I see may be different from what appears in tapcis.com or
Google. I think Dave said votes in the Google group were in multiple
threads.

Guerri

Daniel B. Widdis wrote:
> But it's impossible for us to tell whether votes are a reply or a new
> message for some of our players with clients which don't track the
> message ID #s.
>
> I've found that the forums at tapcis.com almost always have the
> complete list in one thread these days.

Daniel B. Widdis
October 15th, 2007, 08:38 PM
GS> Seems to me that if the subject itself is not the same,
GS> it's a different thread.

Yes, and my reply (to which you replied) was drafted before I actually
looked at the facts and saw the vote in question was posted as a reply to
the message calling for defs (and threaded as such.) I expect I'd have
missed it while dealing.

--
Dan

dixonary@siam.co.uk
October 16th, 2007, 12:53 PM
> Yes, and my reply (to which you replied) was drafted before I actually
> looked at the facts and saw the vote in question was posted as a reply to
> the message calling for defs (and threaded as such.) I expect I'd have
> missed it while dealing.
>
Yes, it was my fault. Due to a temporary problem I switched machines during
the round, and didn't have the list of definitions on the machine I sent
the vote from.

Best wishes,

Tim B