[Dixonary] Round 1623, MAVOURNEEN, the definitions

[Dodi Schultz]

Clearly, flustered by your phenomenal success in the certifying exams,
you've entirely forgotten to include the real definition on your list. My
votes to #7 and #13.

--DS

[Judy Madnick]

Amazing! Nine people voted before I received the definitions. Strange . . . or were they from tapcis.com??

10 and 12, please.

Judy Madnick
Albany, NY

[Toni Savage]

Was this intended to be a mavourneen vote? You
replied in the MIRADOR thread...

--- Wayne Scott <waynescottmd (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote:

>
> 9 and 13.
> A nice relief from all the Scots and north of
> England defs.
>
>
> --
> Wayne Scott
>


-- Toni Savage

[Daniel B. Widdis]

Judy Madnick wrote:

> Amazing! Nine people voted before I received the definitions. Strange
> . . . or were they from tapcis.com??

Definitely not from tapcis.com. The defs were posted directly to the
email list (as a reply to a previous round's thread).

This remark, and Guerri's missing posts from John, are highlighting a
concern I pointed out early on: email from the list to individuals is
subject to delay, usually only minutes-to-hours, but on some occasions,
can stretch out for several hours or even more than a day.

This is unfortunate, because the tapcis.com interface is not as
user-friendly as we'd all like. In particular:

- Thread by subject is on, but the [Dixonary] prefix before the "Re:"
tends to break it. I've asked Judy Russell to look into fixing it, but
I'm not sure she's had much success yet. Those who are not using a
client (like Thunderbird) that prepends the "Re:" to the subject line
can help out tapcis.com users by manually editing their subject line to
include the "Re:" at the beginning. This is, like signatures, a polite
request, and not compulsory.

- Threading works for replies, even if the subject is changed. This
unfortunately "hides" posts of the new word and definitions in a
previous thread if the dealer uses "Reply" in a thread-remembering
client, rather than posting a brand new message. Dealers SHOULD NOT
reply to previous posts when they are posting new words or posting the
votes.

- The same email delays that are showing up to individuals also apply to
messages posted via email which are later posted on tapcis.com.
Checking your own email or tapcis.com will not necessarily show all
messages (except after considerable delay). Dealers checking votes
SHOULD check the web interface to the coryphaeus group for the most
recent posts when counting votes.

I'm not sure there's anything we can do to fix these delay problems,
other than finding another method of distributing group email, such as a
listserv hosted on a server that doesn't have to serve millions of other
users. (As an aside, googlegroups are reportedly faster, but they do
not have file areas like yahoogroups). If anyone has a server on which
they wouldn't mind trying to configure some mailing list software (e.g.,
Gnu Mailman or Majordomo), please let us know.

Dan

[Dave Cunningham]

The Mavourneen defs got posted in this thread <g>.

[John Barrs]

Dan

Guerri's problem can't be the delay thing, she is reporting no emails originating from me for 10 days

And... Talking of 'subjects', did you see my comment about replying to the digest?

JohnnyB [using email; via corypaheus/yahoogroups]

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[Tim Lodge]

Chuck

It certainly sounds Irish to me - the question is which one of the
Irish defs to pick. I was going to go for the tamboureen (Freudian
slip there) until I got to the mauve saran wrap. Luckily I count
myself among the few Englishmen who know what saran wrap is, thanks to
the education I've received through Tapcis.

Oh well, here goes:

14 (in case it isn't Irish) and 17 (in case it is), please.

Incidentally, does anyone know why none of Chuck's messages seem to
have appeared at Tapcis.com?

Tim L

[Daniel B. Widdis]

On 7/2/05, John Barrs wrote:
> Guerri's problem can't be the delay thing, she is reporting no emails
> originating from me for 10 days
>

Maybe you are marked as a spammer!

> And... Talking of 'subjects', did you see my comment about replying to the
> digest?

Yep. I think it is unwise to try to play in digest mode anyway.

--
Dan Widdis

[Guerri Stevens]

Daniel B. Widdis wrote:
> Maybe you are marked as a spammer!
>

I thought about the spam thing. John is not marked as a spammer in any
way that I know of. Not that that means anything <g>.

I am starting to wonder if I should switch Email clients, but I
would hate to go to Outlook.

Is there any reasonable way for me to check whether I am missing
messages from anyone else? When the results of the latest round are
posted, I'll check to see if I got all the voting messages.

Guerri

[Daniel B. Widdis]

On 7/2/05, Guerri Stevens wrote:
> Is there any reasonable way for me to check whether I am missing
> messages from anyone else?

I don't know what you mean by reasonable. You can go to the
coryphaeus yahoogroups website and check each message individually...

--
Dan Widdis

[Guerri Stevens]

Daniel B. Widdis wrote:
> I don't know what you mean by reasonable. You can go to the
> coryphaeus yahoogroups website and check each message individually...
>

I guess what would be reasonable would be a way to capture all messages
posted since whatever date it was that I last got a message from John.

I don't think I've ever been to the Coryphaeus site other than to sign
up! Maybe tomorrow...

Guerri

[Wayne Scott]

Oops!

[Bill Hirst]

3 and 7 because they aren't Irish.

-Bill H.

[John Barrs]

Um


Anyone else seeing every message posted twice - every message that has arrived here since 11:00pm GMT Saturday and 10:00am GMT
Sunday has arrived twice


JohnnyB [using email; via corypaheus/yahoogroups]

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[Chuck Emery]

Dodi -

I agonized over combining your def with the real one, which would have
looked to you as if I had lost yours. The good news is that by finally
choosing not to combine them you avoided dealing and I avoided a D7.

As it was the D4 indicates that I probably could have chosen a better word.
I should have a couple on hand just in case. I was in that situation a few
months ago, but I've since used them both.

- Chuck

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dodi Schultz" <schultz (AT) compuserve (DOT) com>
To: <coryphaeus (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 1:51 AM
Subject: [Dixonary] Round 1623, MAVOURNEEN, the definitions


> Clearly, flustered by your phenomenal success in the certifying exams,
> you've entirely forgotten to include the real definition on your list. My
> votes to #7 and #13.
>
> --DS
>
>
>
>

[GUERRI STEVENS]

--- In coryphaeus (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "John Barrs" <john.barrs@n...>
wrote:
> Um
>
>
> Anyone else seeing every message posted twice - every message that
has arrived here since 11:00pm GMT Saturday and 10:00am GMT
> Sunday has arrived twice
>
No, I am seeing the messages only once (delivered to my Email only
once, that is). Maybe you're getting messages twice because your
messages aren't coming to me at all?????

I tried to capture a complete list of message topics/senders from
about June 19th on directly from the Yahoo group this morning. I am
laboriously and probably not totally accurately comparing it to
messages that are in my Thunderbird folders to see what's missing.

I have no idea what I might have done to cause this.

[John Barrs]

Guerri (and everyone)

I chased down the double receiving to my ISP - it was taking two passes to flag the message as read and therefore to delete from the
server, but the problem was theirs, not mine


JohnnyB [using email; via corypaheus/yahoogroups]


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[John Barrs]

Guerri,

(cc: to you directly)


One of the reasons I don't use TB much is the necessity for lots of settings which are embedded in various 'ini' and other files and
for which the documentation is embedded in different help files. One of them meant that one particular newsgroup that I use was
utterly scrambled had to do with long-group names in newsgroup groups; they were terminated at 8 characters and as the relevant
newsgroup was a software group where the first 10 characters in every group are the name of the product -every message was being
recorded in TB in every group and a reply could go anywhere -- I changed the setting to use long and it expanded out to 16 only, but
that wasn't enough as the newsgroup group has groups like <productnam.program.tips.v1> etc

Anyway, That was some time ago; and I gave up TB because of it; but I have **a vague memory** that while researching that problem I
found an odd setting for mutiple replies which implied that it was expecting a linear sequence like
<mail from me>
<Re: mail me>
<Re: Re: mail from me>
etc (even if there was only one Re:, the header 'knows')
Or maybe
<mail to many from me>
<Re: mail to many from me>
<Re: mail to many from me>
<Re: mail to many from me>
etc.
i.e. the default setting is that the system expects and can handle many replies to you as the originator but not many replies if
you were not the originator
so that if there was an expectation of one mail from someone else and many replies to that then there was a setting that was needed

As I say, my memory may be faulty:

I think any of you people out there using TB maybe need to get together to sort this one out.

JohnnyB [using email; via corypaheus/yahoogroups]

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[John Barrs]

People - will someone else please copy this so that Guerri gets it

I think I have located why Guerri doesn't get my mails --- I copied that last to her privately and DAEMON rejects that private send
with


>>
<guerri (AT) tapcis (DOT) com>:
The user does not accept email in non-Western (non-Latin) character sets.
<<

I am using outlook settings to 'always use plain text' and encoding as 'US-ASCII' and my font appears to be 'courier new' fixed
font
The machine is an American DELL set to use eng-uk (with a eng-us keyboard)

[[- personally I think Redmond Geekness takes over because my emails always return to me in a proprotional font and the headers
always show that it was sent in MIME 1.0 - and I can't find how to change that ---- advice someone]]


JohnnyB [using email; via corypaheus/yahoogroups]



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[GUERRI STEVENS]

--- In coryphaeus (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "John Barrs" <john.barrs@n...> wrote:
> Guerri,
>
> (cc: to you directly)
>
>
> One of the reasons I don't use TB much is the necessity for lots of
settings which are embedded in various 'ini' and other files and ...

This may be a Thunderbird issue, but if that is the case, I would
expect that I'd be having the problem with messages from other people
as well. I will be posting the results of my analysis of this shortly.
But in summary, I have found three missing messages from other people
and everything from you after June 20 is missing.

Do you suppose there is a T-bird setting that is to blame? It is not
beyond reason, but it would have to be very specific. I will check the
settings again, just in case.

Guerri (posting directly to the Coryphaeus group)