[Dixonary] Next deal

[Dodi Schultz]

>> I had no idea such a throwaway def and throwaway vote would BOTH get
>> me points!!

I thought your def was a GREAT one, Toni. I VOTED for it. As for that real
def: I am harboring surly thoughts about people who pick their words from
Phrontistery.....

--Dodi

[Paul Keating]

Urm, Dodi, it's in the OED too.


(See quot. 1715.)

1715 KERSEY, Hebberman, one that fishes below Bridge, commonly at ebbing
Water, etc. 1720 Stow's Surv. (ed. Strype 1754) I. I. vii. 35/1 A number of
fishermen belonging to the..Thames some stiled..hebbermen. Ibid. II. V.
xxvii. 480/2 No..Hebberman shall..fish for smelts, between Good Friday and,
etc. 1721-90 in BAILEY.

--
Paul Keating
The Hague

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dodi Schultz" <SCHULTZ (AT) compuserve (DOT) com>
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Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 7:08 AM
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>> I am harboring surly thoughts about people who pick their words from
Phrontistery.....

--Dodi

[France International]

Surly you jest.

IN any case, I found the word later in OED, with a similar definition
although more complete. A respectable origin, to be sure.

--Mike

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 1:08 AM
Subject: [Dixonary] Next deal


>
>
> >> I had no idea such a throwaway def and throwaway vote would BOTH get
> >> me points!!
>
> I thought your def was a GREAT one, Toni. I VOTED for it. As for that real
> def: I am harboring surly thoughts about people who pick their words from
> Phrontistery.....
>
> --Dodi
>

[Toni Savage]

I think it's not so much whethere it's a "real" word,
(though that's part of it, of course...)

When the game started, it was not so easy to find
"alternative" dictionaries... dictioniaries with
short, informal definitions of words.

Dead-tree dictionaries took hundreds of people
thousands of hours to compile, and each definition was
carefully thought-out (OK, "dord" gives the lie to
that, but things were a BIT more organized than
today's "wiki" dictionaries and cyclopedias...)

I love finding a short, oddball definition in a paper
dictionary, but it's too easy online!

Toni

--- Paul Keating <pjakeating (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

>
> Urm, Dodi, it's in the OED too.
>
>
> (See quot. 1715.)
>
> 1715 KERSEY, Hebberman, one that fishes below
> Bridge, commonly at ebbing
> Water, etc. 1720 Stow's Surv. (ed. Strype 1754) I.
> I. vii. 35/1 A number of
> fishermen belonging to the..Thames some
> stiled..hebbermen. Ibid. II. V.
> xxvii. 480/2 No..Hebberman shall..fish for smelts,
> between Good Friday and,
> etc. 1721-90 in BAILEY.
>
> --
> Paul Keating
> The Hague
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dodi Schultz" <SCHULTZ (AT) compuserve (DOT) com>
> To: <Dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 7:08 AM
> Subject: [Dixonary] Next deal
>
>
>
> >> I am harboring surly thoughts about people who
> pick their words from
> Phrontistery.....
>
> --Dodi
>
>

[Dodi Schultz]

>> Urm, Dodi, it's in the OED too.
>>
>> (See quot. 1715.)
>>
>> 1715 KERSEY, Hebberman, one that fishes below Bridge,...

Hmph. That's _Hebberman_, wiv a aitch, Paul.

--Dodi

[Dodi Schultz]

Yes, Mike, of COURSE I jest. ;-)

I'm just annoyed at ME, of course, for not guessing it.

--Dodi

[Paul Keating]

>> That's _Hebberman_, wiv a aitch.

No it tain't. Headword is ebberman, though there is an xref from h-. Clearly
"commonly at ebbing Water" in the 1715 quot was considered more important
than the cited forms.

[Paul Keating]

It's not the onlineness that makes Wiktionary not 100% trustworthy. It's the
editorial policy that insists that all contributors are equal, the fact that
it's free.

The OED stopped being a dead-tree dictionary some years back. It's now all
available on-line at (the very handsome) dictionary.oed.com, including the
1993 and 1997 additions, and quarterly drafts from the in-progress revision
that have yet to make it into print.

It's a subscription service, of course, and not cheap. US$295/yr.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Toni Savage" <tonicsavage (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>
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Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 5:57 PM
Subject: [Dixonary] Re: Next deal



>> Dead-tree dictionaries took hundreds of people
>> thousands of hours to compile, and each definition was
>> carefully thought-out (OK, "dord" gives the lie to
>> that, but things were a BIT more organized than
>> today's "wiki" dictionaries and cyclopedias...)

[Tim Lodge]

Paul

>> [The OED]'s a subscription service, of course, and not cheap. US$295/yr. <<

Unless you are lucky enough to live in the UK and have a library card
for your local public library, in which case you can access it - and
many other Oxford reference works - free of charge. I'm sorry that
that doesn't help the majority of players!

-- Tim L