[Dixonary] OT: Later Versions of Quicken

[Guerri Stevens]

I have Quicken 2003. One of my gripes is that when splitting a payment
into multiple categories (a credit card bill, for instance), this
version provides for only 30. Most of the time, our credit card bill
will list more than 30 items, which means that in order to split it up
in Quicken, I have to combine things. Which works fine as long as I am
careful enough so that when I'm done, it balances. If it doesn't and I
have to find a discrepancy, the problem is often in one of the combined
items, and is a nuisance to track down.

The above is really a long-winded way of asking whether anyone knows
whether the later version allow for a larger number of entries in a
split transaction.

--
Guerri

[Judy Madnick]

----- Original message ----------------------------------------
From: "Guerri Stevens" <guerri (AT) tapcis (DOT) com>

<< I have Quicken 2003. One of my gripes is that when
<< splitting a payment
<< into multiple categories (a credit card bill, for instance),
<< this
<< version provides for only 30.

Hmmm . . . I never thought about doing it that way. I list every transaction separately as the charge occurs. Then when our statement arrives, I go through and "check" off each transaction. If there's anything on the statement that I don't already have listed, I add it (assuming, of course, I know it's correct <G>). An example of that would be recurring charges for which we don't receive a monthly notification (EZ-Pass, newspaper, etc.). If everything matches up, I know that the statement/charges have balanced.

I use Quicken for "record-keeping," as opposed to true accounting.

Judy

[Tony Abell]

On 2007-07-07 at 10:14 Judy Madnick wrote:

> Hmmm . . . I never thought about doing it that way. I list every transaction
> separately as the charge occurs.

That's what I do. I enter each charge as a transaction, breaking it down into
several categories, if necessary. I've never had anywhere near 30 items on one
charge, so I don't know if that's the limit. The PAYMENTs are just one entry.
It never occurred to me to break down the payments.

I stopped upgrading Quicken at Quicken 2000. Most likely it will keel over and
die one day when the transaction database gets too large. If there's a way to
"age" old transactions out according to arbitrary rules, as TAPCIS could do with
messages, I haven't figured it out yet. Unless you want to delete/archive
everything before "this year", which I don't, the only method I can see is to
manually delete old transactions in each account and reset the opening balance
manually.

[Judy G. Russell]

The above is really a long-winded way of asking whether anyone knows whether the later version allow for a larger number of entries in a split transaction.

I have Quicken Premier 2007 and the answer is no: still 30 items. But I keep my credit cards as separate accounts in Quicken and simply download the transactions right from the CC company into Quicken. That might solve your whole problem in a flash.

[Judy Madnick]

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From: "Tony Abell" <hello (AT) isanybodyhome (DOT) com>

<< Unless you want
<< to delete/archive
<< everything before "this year", which I don't, the only
<< method I can see is to
<< manually delete old transactions in each account and
<< reset the opening balance
<< manually.

At one point I set up an additional file(?) and moved several years' worth of data to that file. That way I could access the information if necessary. But I don't remember how I did it! Also, in the newer versions of Quicken, you can no longer import .qif files. I have a feeling I originally used the export/import function, which will no longer work. (I may be mistaken about this . . . .) They sure don't make this easy, do they? <sigh>

Judy

[Guerri Stevens]

I don't see how a separate account would help. When I write a check to
the credit card company, I still have to allocate that check to
categories, and I can still only split it 30 ways.

Guerri

Judy G. Russell wrote:
> I have Quicken Premier 2007 and the answer is no: still 30 items. But I
> keep my credit cards as separate accounts in Quicken and simply download
> the transactions right from the CC company into Quicken. That might
> solve your whole problem in a flash.

[Guerri Stevens]

I guess I am using it for true accounting, and perhaps I should realize
that it is overly simplified for that purpose.

Guerri

Judy Madnick wrote:
> ----- Original message ----------------------------------------
> From: "Guerri Stevens" <guerri (AT) tapcis (DOT) com>
>
> << I have Quicken 2003. One of my gripes is that when
> << splitting a payment
> << into multiple categories (a credit card bill, for instance),
> << this
> << version provides for only 30.
>
> Hmmm . . . I never thought about doing it that way. I list every transaction separately as the charge occurs. Then when our statement arrives, I go through and "check" off each transaction. If there's anything on the statement that I don't already have listed, I add it (assuming, of course, I know it's correct <G>). An example of that would be recurring charges for which we don't receive a monthly notification (EZ-Pass, newspaper, etc.). If everything matches up, I know that the statement/charges have balanced.
>
> I use Quicken for "record-keeping," as opposed to true accounting.
>
> Judy
>
>

[dixonary@siam.co.uk]

> I don't see how a separate account would help. When I write a check to
> the credit card company, I still have to allocate that check to
> categories, and I can still only split it 30 ways.
>
I don't know how Quicken works, but in the industrial-strength accounting
package I use for my business, my credit card is treated as another bank
account. The money is allocated to categories against the credit card
payment, and then the payment to the credit card is like a transfer
between two bank accounts.

Best wishes,

Tim B

[Guerri Stevens]

As far as Quicken is concerned, I still think that making the credit
card an account would not help. Possibly it would work if, as the
charges occur, they were allocated to the proper categories. Then
procedurally, when the payment is made, there would be only that single
"transfer". However, in a household where two people are using the same
card, it would be necessary to be very strict about keeping track as you
go along so that everything balances when it's time to account for the
actual payment.

It would help my own procedure if the credit card bills themselves
sorted the stuff, at the very least, by vendor. And some do, but not the
ones we happen to use.

Guerri

dixonary (AT) siam (DOT) co.uk wrote:
> I don't know how Quicken works, but in the industrial-strength accounting
> package I use for my business, my credit card is treated as another bank
> account. The money is allocated to categories against the credit card
> payment, and then the payment to the credit card is like a transfer
> between two bank accounts.

[Toni Savage]

I agree with Tim... in "true accounting", the credit
card is set up as a separate account, and the entries
would debit the expense and credit the "Mastercard"
account. Then the check would credit cash and debit
the "mastercard" account.

I'm not familiar with Quicken, so maybe you dont' have
control over all the debits and credits...

--- Guerri Stevens <guerri (AT) tapcis (DOT) com> wrote:

>
> I guess I am using it for true accounting, and
> perhaps I should realize
> that it is overly simplified for that purpose.
>
> Guerri
>
> Judy Madnick wrote:
> > ----- Original message
> ----------------------------------------
> > From: "Guerri Stevens"
> <guerri (AT) tapcis (DOT) com>
> >
> > << I have Quicken 2003. One of my
> gripes is that when
> > << splitting a payment
> > << into multiple categories (a
> credit card bill, for instance),
> > << this
> > << version provides for only 30.
> >
> > Hmmm . . . I never thought about doing it that
> way. I list every transaction separately as the
> charge occurs. Then when our statement arrives, I go
> through and "check" off each transaction. If there's
> anything on the statement that I don't already have
> listed, I add it (assuming, of course, I know it's
> correct <G>). An example of that would be recurring
> charges for which we don't receive a monthly
> notification (EZ-Pass, newspaper, etc.). If
> everything matches up, I know that the
> statement/charges have balanced.
> >
> > I use Quicken for "record-keeping," as opposed to
> true accounting.
> >
> > Judy
> >
> >
>
>


-- Toni Savage
"Failure to plan on your part, does not constitute an emergency on our part"

[Judy G. Russell]

As far as Quicken is concerned, I still think that making the credit card an account would not help. Possibly it would work if, as the charges occur, they were allocated to the proper categories. Then
procedurally, when the payment is made, there would be only that single
"transfer".

That's exactly what does happen. Each charge comes in separately, as if it were a single check you wrote against that account.

[Guerri Stevens]

The issue is not whether a separate account should be used for the
credit card or not. I could handle it that way in Quicken, or at least I
think so (haven't tried).

Here's the situation: let's say you get your credit card bill and there
are 35 items on it. Quicken doesn't allow you to "debit the expense",
etc., for more than 30 items.

To me, the easiest thing would be to debit/credit each of the 35 items
on the bill, but because of Quicken's limit of 30, I cannot do that.
Instead, what I do is combine items. For instance if there are three
charges that apply to "groceries" I debit/credit the sum of the three. I
do the same for other items until I get to the point where I can start
operating on individual items (I am not sure I'm explaining this
clearly). That works as long as I don't make any errors and when I get
to the end, the total of the credit card bill matches what I've entered.
If it doesn't, I have to go back and figure out what is wrong. Now if
there were 30 or fewer charges on the bill, I could just compare what
I'd entered with the bill and see which entry was wrong, but because
some items are combined, I cannot necessarily find the error just by
comparing the bill with what I've entered.

If later versions of Quicken still have the 30 item limit, there is no
point in updating my version to a newer one. If I decide that it is
annoying enough, then I need different software entirely.


Guerri

Toni Savage wrote:
> I agree with Tim... in "true accounting", the credit
> card is set up as a separate account, and the entries
> would debit the expense and credit the "Mastercard"
> account. Then the check would credit cash and debit
> the "mastercard" account.
>
> I'm not familiar with Quicken, so maybe you dont' have
> control over all the debits and credits...

[Guerri Stevens]

So if I were willing to go online and download the stuff, maybe this
would work for me. How do you tell Quicken which category applies for
each charge? For instance, suppose I bought a book. How can I tell
Quicken this is to be a gift, rather than a book for me?

Guerri

Judy G. Russell wrote:
> Guerri Stevens;35133 Wrote:
>> As far as Quicken is concerned, I still think that making the credit
>> card an account would not help. Possibly it would work if, as the
>> charges occur, they were allocated to the proper categories. Then
>> procedurally, when the payment is made, there would be only that single
>>
>> "transfer".
>
> That's exactly what does happen. Each charge comes in separately, as if
> it were a single check you wrote against that account.
>
>

[Tony Abell]

On 2007-07-08 at 21:09 Guerri Stevens wrote:

> Here's the situation: let's say you get your credit card bill and there
> are 35 items on it. Quicken doesn't allow you to "debit the expense",
> etc., for more than 30 items.

The crux of the problem is that you only enter the charges at time of paying the
bill, rather than as they occur. Maybe you only enter data into Quicken
periodically, not every time you accrue an expense, as I do. For me, when it
comes time to pay the bill, all the purchases have already been assigned to the
appropriate categories in separate transactions spread throughout the month, so
I never have to worry about the limit of 30. Needless to say, I also enter cash
and check transactions and deposits/transfers as they occur, too.

[Judy G. Russell]

So if I were willing to go online and download the stuff, maybe this would work for me. How do you tell Quicken which category applies for each charge? For instance, suppose I bought a book. How can I tell Quicken this is to be a gift, rather than a book for me?

First off, it doesn't matter whether you download or enter the transactions manually or some combination. You're simply going to enter a transaction showing, say, a charge of $25 at Barnes & Noble either way. You would do the same for each charge you make. Just think of each charge as if it were a check you had written for the amount of the charge to that merchant. Then any payment you make to the credit card company is simply a credit to the account, similar to a deposit you'd make to a checking account, and not a credit to a specific debit.

Categorizing the charges is up to you. I have a category for books and another category for gifts (and categories for groceries, auto:fuel, auto:service, computer:hardware, computer:software, charity, recreation, home repair, household, vacation, travel and so much more). There are many categories built in to Quicken and adding new ones is simple. So if I were buying $25 in books for myself via Visa at Barnes & Noble, I'd categorize it as books; if I were buying $25 in books as a gift, I'd categorize it as a gift and, in the memo field, indicate who the gift was for.

[Guerri Stevens]

Thank you, thank you, thank you! The light finally dawned. I don't have
to use the online stuff at all. I can set up a credit card account,
enter the transactions manually, either at the time they occur or when
the statement arrives, or a combination. Then I can make the payment as
usual. I experimented, and it will work for me.

I can't believe that in all the time I've been using Quicken I never
even looked up the information in the manual on how to deal with credit
cards! I didn't pay any attention to the online stuff, but there is
probably a way to categorize things manually if Quicken's automatic
processing doesn't get it the way you want it.

If I were interested in exactly what I bought, I could split the charges
themselves as they are made. For instance, right now if I shop at a
supermarket, I call it all "groceries". But if I happened to buy a
utensil, I could break that out as "household equipment". I suspect I
will not care to go that route, but one never knows.

I am so glad I asked the question originally. This is going to make life
a lot easier!

Guerri

Judy G. Russell wrote:
> That's exactly what does happen. Each charge comes in separately, as if
> it were a single check you wrote against that account.

[Guerri Stevens]

The real crux of the problem is that I never even realized that Quicken
has a simple way to handle credit card transactions. I thought over
Judy's message again last night, but was too tired to look into it. When
I read the manual early today (yes, always a last resort) I found the
information on how to set up, handle, and reconcile credit cards! (Sound
of hand hitting head).

I may or may not enter charges as they occur. But even if I do it all at
once when the bill arrives, using Quicken's built-in features will make
things much, much easier.

Guerri

Tony Abell wrote:
> The crux of the problem is that you only enter the charges at time of paying the
> bill, rather than as they occur. Maybe you only enter data into Quicken
> periodically, not every time you accrue an expense, as I do. For me, when it
> comes time to pay the bill, all the purchases have already been assigned to the
> appropriate categories in separate transactions spread throughout the month, so
> I never have to worry about the limit of 30. Needless to say, I also enter cash
> and check transactions and deposits/transfers as they occur, too.

[Judy Madnick]

----- Original message ----------------------------------------
From: "Judy G. Russell" <jgr1 (AT) jgrussell (DOT) com>

<< You're
<< simply going to enter
<< a transaction showing, say, a charge of $25 at Barnes
<< & Noble either
<< way.

Exactly what I do.

<< Categorizing the charges is up to you. I have a
<< category for books and
<< another category for gifts (and categories for
<< groceries, auto:fuel,
<< auto:service, computer:hardware, computer:software,
<< charity,
<< recreation, home repair, household, vacation, travel
<< and so much more).

Sounds very familiar!! And it's very nice to be able to search for a purchase when there's a problem (return, warranty issue, etc.). I can search either for the store, the item, or the category (although the category would be the last resort) and then find the credit-card receipt, which I clip to the appropriate statement. I save only the receipts that I may need in the future, so I toss supermarket and gas receipts, for example, once I have the statement on which they occur.

Judy Madnick
Jacksonville, FL

[Judy G. Russell]

Thank you, thank you, thank you! The light finally dawned. I don't have to use the online stuff at all. I can set up a credit card account, enter the transactions manually, either at the time they occur or when the statement arrives, or a combination. Then I can make the payment as usual. I experimented, and it will work for me.

Excellent! And by the way I do recommend the online stuff if you can. It sure makes life easier -- you don't have to do any data entry, just verify that the charge is legit and categorize it the way you want (and yes, you can split any charge the way you would a check or a deposit).

[Judy G. Russell]

I can search either for the store, the item, or the category (although the category would be the last resort) and then find the credit-card receipt, which I clip to the appropriate statement. I save only the receipts that I may need in the future, so I toss supermarket and gas receipts, for example, once I have the statement on which they occur.

You are MUCH more organized than I am. I save ONLY the receipts for big ticket items (and only through the warranty period) and items where there's some sort of rebate, and then only until the rebate comes in or I've verified the charge on my statement. Then they get chucked. And I am trying to be disciplined and not just throw all the statements into a box in the computer room...

[Judy Madnick]

----- Original message ----------------------------------------
From: "Judy G. Russell" <jgr1 (AT) jgrussell (DOT) com>

<< You are MUCH more organized than I am. I save ONLY
<< the receipts for big
<< ticket items (and only through the warranty period) and
<< items where
<< there's some sort of rebate, and then only until the
<< rebate comes in or
<< I've verified the charge on my statement.

I've had to return enough "stuff" that I like to be sure I hang on to the receipts "just in case." For example, did you ever purchase clothing that shrank (too much) after the first washing? Most of the major stores are good about returns even without a receipt. But then the lowest price becomes your refund. <sigh>

Up until our recent move, I had saved my summaries of expenses from when we were first married. I got a kick out of $25/week for food. <G> I finally decided, however, that it simply doesn't matter anymore, so I ditched those old records. They probably took up three or four inches of space in a box or on a shelf -- but it's time to let go. <G>

Judy Madnick
Jacksonville, FL

[Toni Savage]

I save waaaay too much. It's because I have the
family trunk, and I'm fascinated by the grocery bills
my Great-grandfather saved from the 1880's.

Someday, someone in the 22nd century will be
fascinated by MY grodery bills..... maybe.


--- "Judy G. Russell" <jgr1 (AT) jgrussell (DOT) com> wrote:
.
>
> You are MUCH more organized than I am. I save ONLY
> the receipts for big
> ticket items (and only through the warranty period)
> and items where
> there's some sort of rebate, and then only until the
> rebate comes in or
> I've verified the charge on my statement. Then they
> get chucked. And I
> am trying to be disciplined and not just throw all
> the statements into
> a box in the computer room...
>
>
> --
> Judy G. Russell
>
> *-- jgr*
>


-- Toni Savage
"Failure to plan on your part, does not constitute an emergency on our part"

[Judy G. Russell]

Up until our recent move, I had saved my summaries of expenses from when we were first married. I got a kick out of $25/week for food. <G> I finally decided, however, that it simply doesn't matter anymore, so I ditched those old records. They probably took up three or four inches of space in a box or on a shelf -- but it's time to let go. <G>

Good for you! I have saved all my old tax returns (my first return was in 1969!), but other than that, if it ain't within the past five years, it's history, and anything that isn't tax related I pitch very quickly.

This of course is in sharp contradistinction to my attitude towards books and computer stuff (I just managed to convince myself to toss some old 5.25" disks since I haven't owned a computer that has a 5.25" drive in years! and books I will never toss).

[Judy Madnick]

----- Original message ----------------------------------------
From: "Judy G. Russell" <jgr1 (AT) jgrussell (DOT) com>

<< (I just managed to convince
<< myself to toss
<< some old 5.25" disks since I haven't owned a computer
<< that has a 5.25"
<< drive in years!

I'm a step ahead of you. I donated my blank 3.5" disks. My backup computer uses them, but my current laptop doesn't have a 3.5" drive. If necessary, I can use the CD drive to move files back and forth -- or even email them to myself! This move to Florida really was a good incentive to get rid of "stuff" (INCLUDING old -- and useless -- computer books).

Judy Madnick
Jacksonville, FL

[Judy G. Russell]

I'm a step ahead of you. I donated my blank 3.5" disks.

Yep, you're ahead of me for sure. I'm still holding on to 3.5" disks used for a backup of a computer I no longer own made with a program that no longer works with any operating system I have!

[Guerri Stevens]

I am not keen on the online stuff. It might make my life easier, but I
dislike the idea of spreading around things like my account number.
Probably the security is good, and probably although Quicken would have
access to my account it would be OK. But there have been breaches
elsewhere, and I am just happier doing it myself.

I suspect what I'll do is try to enter most charges as they occur. This
means when the bill arrives, I will have to enter those I've missed, but
if I am diligent, there will be very few of those.

Guerri

Judy G. Russell wrote:
> Excellent! And by the way I do recommend the online stuff if you can.
> It sure makes life easier -- you don't have to do any data entry, just
> verify that the charge is legit and categorize it the way you want (and
> yes, you can split any charge the way you would a check or a deposit).

[Guerri Stevens]

I tend not to save gas and grocery receipts, and in fact anything that I
don't expect to care about later. I occasionally will save the gas
receipts just to see how the prices are going.

A move tends to trigger a "letting go" of many things. And I (and I hope
my husband too) think twice about buying things. It is quite possible we
may move again some day and I want it to be easier.

Guerri

Judy Madnick wrote:
> Up until our recent move, I had saved my summaries of expenses from
> when we were first married. I got a kick out of $25/week for food.
> <G> I finally decided, however, that it simply doesn't matter
> anymore, so I ditched those old records. They probably took up three
> or four inches of space in a box or on a shelf -- but it's time to
> let go. <G>

[Guerri Stevens]

I rarely got rid of books, but when we moved, I got rid of a lot of
them. And now I am in the process of getting rid of more. I am keeping
my printed manual for Quicken 8 for DOS, though, possibly the last
printer manual they delivered with a product and still useful even with
the much newer versions.

Guerri

Judy G. Russell wrote:
> ...This of course is in sharp contradistinction to my attitude towards
> books and computer stuff (I just managed to convince myself to toss
> some old 5.25" disks since I haven't owned a computer that has a 5.25"
> drive in years! and books I will *never *toss).

[dixonary@siam.co.uk]

> Here's the situation: let's say you get your credit card bill and there
> are 35 items on it. Quicken doesn't allow you to "debit the expense",
> etc., for more than 30 items.
>
What I do is simply treat each line on the credit card bill as a separate
transaction, paid by the credit card account, and charged to a category.
The fact that I received information about them on the same piece of paper
is irrelevant.

Best wishes,

Tim B

[JohnnyB]

Judy and Judy

I just sorted and re-stored my 5.25 disks of financial records - after making sure that the commodoe Pet still works - however I
have also now transfreed their info to CD in a suitable format for my current machine - its amazing what you can do with an RS232
!!!

What I did get rid off this clear-out was three boxes of punch cards which were the program for a mail-label program wrtitten in
machine code in 1968 - it was innovative software in those days and comprised 1300 cards for the PLAN program for an ICL 1907 and
about 5000 addresses.

Magpies aren't in it - I did keep the cards from my PhD research - edge-punched hole cards that one sorted with a needle or two -
they date back to '66

JohnnyB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com
> [mailto:Dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com] On Behalf Of Judy Madnick
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 12:40 AM
> To: Dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com
> Subject: [Dixonary] Re: OT: Later Versions of Quicken
>
>
> ----- Original message
> ----------------------------------------
> From: "Judy G. Russell" <jgr1 (AT) jgrussell (DOT) com>
>
> << (I just managed to convince
> << myself to toss
> << some old 5.25" disks since I haven't owned
> a computer
> << that has a 5.25"
> << drive in years!
>
> I'm a step ahead of you. I donated my blank 3.5" disks. My
> backup computer uses them, but my current laptop doesn't have
> a 3.5" drive. If necessary, I can use the CD drive to move
> files back and forth -- or even email them to myself! This
> move to Florida really was a good incentive to get rid of
> "stuff" (INCLUDING old -- and useless -- computer books).
>
> Judy Madnick
> Jacksonville, FL

[Judy Madnick]

----- Original message ----------------------------------------
From: "Judy G. Russell" <jgr1 (AT) jgrussell (DOT) com>

<< Yep, you're ahead of me for sure. I'm still holding on to
<< 3.5" disks
<< used for a backup of a computer I no longer own made
<< with a program
<< that no longer works with any operating system I have!

LOL!

And how many 3.5" disks does it take for the backup? I had to stop using them for that purpose many, many years ago.

Judy

[Judy Madnick]

----- Original message ----------------------------------------
From: JohnnyB <johnnybarrs (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

<< I just sorted and re-stored my 5.25 disks of financial
<< records . . .

<< What I did get rid off this clear-out was three boxes of
<< punch cards which were the program for a mail-label
<< program wrtitten in
<< machine code in 1968 . . .

<< Magpies aren't in it - I did keep the cards from my PhD
<< research . . .

Oh, but the memories!

Judy Madnick
Jacksonville, FL

[Guerri Stevens]

I don't *think* we have any punched cards left. But I still use the
EBCDIC codes for letters of the alphabet when making up passwords!

Guerri

JohnnyB wrote:
> Judy and Judy
>
> I just sorted and re-stored my 5.25 disks of financial records - after making sure that the commodoe Pet still works - however I
> have also now transfreed their info to CD in a suitable format for my current machine - its amazing what you can do with an RS232
> !!!
>
> What I did get rid off this clear-out was three boxes of punch cards which were the program for a mail-label program wrtitten in
> machine code in 1968 - it was innovative software in those days and comprised 1300 cards for the PLAN program for an ICL 1907 and
> about 5000 addresses.

[Judy G. Russell]

I am not keen on the online stuff. It might make my life easier, but I dislike the idea of spreading around things like my account number. Probably the security is good, and probably although Quicken would have access to my account it would be OK. But there have been breaches elsewhere, and I am just happier doing it myself.

I don't disagree, but I'm willing to risk a little bit, given how lazy I am!

[Judy G. Russell]

What I did get rid off this clear-out was three boxes of punch cards which were the program for a mail-label program wrtitten in machine code in 1968

I may be a tad ahead of you then in the clean-out department!

[Judy G. Russell]

And how many 3.5" disks does it take for the backup? I had to stop using them for that purpose many, many years ago.

At the time I last used the program, it took about 30. Today, I couldn't backup the operating system in that space! I use an external hard drive for backup now.

[Judy G. Russell]

I save waaaay too much. It's because I have the family trunk, and I'm fascinated by the grocery bills my Great-grandfather saved from the 1880's. Someday, someone in the 22nd century will be fascinated by MY grodery bills..... maybe.

You know... as stupid as this will sound for someone who spends as much time as I do on genealogy... that never occurred to me. Oh well... maybe I'll leave my Quicken print outs to posterity!

[Judy Madnick]

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From: "Judy G. Russell" <jgr1 (AT) jgrussell (DOT) com>

<< At the time I last used the program, it took about 30.

What a drag!

<< Today, I
<< couldn't backup the operating system in that space! I
<< use an external
<< hard drive for backup now.

I'm using Carbonite and backing up to the Web. In addition, I back up my PIM and Quicken on a flash drive.

Judy Madnick
Jacksonville, FL

[Judy G. Russell]

I'm using Carbonite and backing up to the Web. In addition, I back up my PIM and Quicken on a flash drive.

I do Quicken and my genealogy program to my Palm, and both to a flash drive as well, and then the whole system to the external HD.

[Judy Madnick]

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From: "Judy G. Russell" <jgr1 (AT) jgrussell (DOT) com>
<< addition, I back up my
<< > PIM and Quicken on a flash drive.

<< I do Quicken and my genealogy program to my Palm,
<< and both to a flash
<< drive as well, and then the whole system to the external
<< HD.

We Judys are equally obsessive. <G> I must admit that it paid off when my hard drive crashed last fall.

Judy Madnick
Jacksonville, FL

[Judy G. Russell]

We Judys are equally obsessive. <G> I must admit that it paid off when my hard drive crashed last fall.

<shudder> The greatest fear of my life. With all the genealogy info and photos and and and that I keep on my hard drive, having it crash and not having a backup would send me screaming into the streets.

[Judy Madnick]

----- Original message ----------------------------------------
From: "Judy G. Russell" <jgr1 (AT) jgrussell (DOT) com>

<< <shudder> The greatest fear of my life. With all the
<< genealogy info and
<< photos and and and that I keep on my hard drive,
<< having it crash and not
<< having a backup would send me screaming into the
<< streets.

Everything was backed up -- I didn't lose a thing! (And if I did lose something, it couldn't have been very important because I haven't missed anything. LOL!)

Judy Madnick
Jacksonville, FL

[Judy G. Russell]

if I did lose something, it couldn't have been very important because I haven't missed anything. LOL!

I kind of feel that way about the boxes that remain, yet unpacked, from my last house move (a looooong time ago). If I haven't needed it by now, it really should go in the trash!

[Judy Madnick]

----- Original message ----------------------------------------
From: "Judy G. Russell" <jgr1 (AT) jgrussell (DOT) com>

<< I kind of feel that way about the boxes that remain, yet
<< unpacked, from
<< my last house move (a -looooong -time ago). If I haven't
<< needed it by
<< now, it really should go in the trash!

That's the theory I'm using right about now!

Judy Madnick
Jacksonville, FL