[Dixonary] Email delivery problems status

[Daniel B. Widdis]

All,

Just a quick update, in case you're ignoring the messages I said to ignore.
:)

1. I set up my own compuserve.com account to receive (or not) the test
messages. Messages posted directly on the group website _are not being
delivered to compuserve addresses_ (in particular, Dodi). Accordingly:

*** Please do not post important messages (like new words, votes, and
results) directly on the Google site until the problem is resolved. If you
choose to do so, please make sure you send Dodi a separate copy. ***

There may be other email delivery issues to compuserve.com, but the google
site posts appear to be the most consistently non-received.

2. The right guy (named "Mike") is in contact with the CompuServe mail team.
I have high hopes he'll get this problem fixed promptly. Wayne Habberstad,
formerly a Dix player, is also assisting.

--
Dan

[Guerri Stevens]

It seems to me that there were two other delivery problems. One was that
some messages were not getting to tapcis.com's Parlor.

The other was that people with Google Email addresses were not receiving
some messages. The latter was a "design feature" but may not be what
those players with Gmail addresses want. Possibly it was only their own
messages they weren't getting and maybe that's OK, but I know I like to
get my own voting messages back just as confirmation that my vote arrived.

Guerri

Daniel B. Widdis wrote:
> Just a quick update, in case you're ignoring the messages I said to ignore.

[JohnnyB]

Guerri

You can get your own messages sent back !!

Have two email adrresses registered in the google group (and you collect both of course and auto eliminate duplicates) -- then even
if you send by one the other will be sent the posting...That is a horrible work-around, .I did it by mistake but it works (I have
now organized another way on my machine.....storing sent messages with received but that doesn't meet your requirement of knowing
that things arrived)

JohnnyB


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com
> [mailto:Dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com] On Behalf Of Guerri Stevens
> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 11:10 AM
> To: Dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com
> Subject: [Dixonary] Re: Email delivery problems status
>
>
> It seems to me that there were two other delivery problems.
> One was that some messages were not getting to tapcis.com's Parlor.
>
> The other was that people with Google Email addresses were
> not receiving some messages. The latter was a "design
> feature" but may not be what those players with Gmail
> addresses want. Possibly it was only their own messages they
> weren't getting and maybe that's OK, but I know I like to get
> my own voting messages back just as confirmation that my vote arrived.
>
> Guerri
>
> Daniel B. Widdis wrote:
> > Just a quick update, in case you're ignoring the messages I
> said to ignore.
>
>

[Judy G. Russell]

*** Please do not post important messages (like new words, votes, and results) directly on the Google site until the problem is resolved. If you choose to do so, please make sure you send Dodi a separate copy. ***

May I suggest that such things can be posted directly on the TAPCIS site (http://www.tapcis.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=5 will take you right to The Parlor) and they DO get delivered from there? So anybody who doesn't exclusively use email should use the forum. That's what it's there for, and there's absolutely no reason not to use it!

[Daniel B. Widdis]

GS> It seems to me that there were two other delivery problems.
GS> One was that some messages were not getting to tapcis.com's Parlor.

That was, I believe, a temporary glitch between Apr 24 and 28 that has not
recurred. I've been watching closely.

GS> The other was that people with Google Email addresses were not
GS> receiving some messages.

Gmail doesn't route back copies of messages that you send. That's got
nothing to do with this group -- worked the same way at Yahoo! And made it
more challenging for me to do test messages!

--
Dan

[Tim Lodge]

Judy

On May 7, 2:13 pm, "Judy G. Russell" <j... (AT) jgrussell (DOT) com> wrote:
>
> May I suggest that such things *can *be posted directly on the TAPCIS
> site (http://www.tapcis.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=5will take you
> right to The Parlor) and they *DO *get delivered from there? So anybody
> who doesn't exclusively use email should use the forum. That's what it's
> there for, and there's absolutely no reason not to use it!
>

When we were on the Yahoo group, I used to post everything on that
website because that seemed to be the best way to guarantee that
everyone saw every message. Naturally, when we moved to Google I
posted everything there assuming that it was still the safest way of
doing it - which it clearly isn't at the moment! I hadn't looked at
the tapcis.com Parlor for a while, but I must say it's much easier to
follow now that you've corrected the threading of RE: messages.
Despite that, I think it would still be worth sorting out the email
problems with the Google group, so that we can post there. If there's
anything I can do to help you or Dan, let me know.

-- Tim L

[Guerri Stevens]

I want to make sure I understand: if I had a Gmail address, and asked
the Google group to send messages to it, and if I send a message from my
Gmail account to the group, either a reply or a new message, the Google
group would not send it back to me. Is that the way it works?

I guess I never did that with the Yahoo group, even though I did have a
Yahoo Email account. I either worked from my tapcis.com email account or
posted directly into the group. And the way Google works is a feature of
Gmail, not of the group itself.

Now what would happen if you had a Gmail account and used it to receive
and send messages from/to the group. And suppose you set it up as POP3
and did all of your reading/replying from some Email client, not by
logging into your Gmail account from your browser. I have done that,
although not with a Google group. Would Gmail still be able to identify
messages you sent and prevent them from being reflected back?

Guerri

Daniel B. Widdis wrote:
> Gmail doesn't route back copies of messages that you send. That's got
> nothing to do with this group -- worked the same way at Yahoo! And made it
> more challenging for me to do test messages!
>

[Guerri Stevens]

I don't think that will help, Judy. At least not with the problems Dodi
is having. She could go either to the parlor to read messages or she
could go to the group itself. But a message posted in the parlor, then
transmitted to the group is, probably, still not going to reach her, at
least not reliably, because when it heads toward her Email address it
will be going out from the group, not from tapcis.com. On the other
hand, I don't know if that exact path has been tested.

Guerri

Judy G. Russell wrote:
> Daniel B. Widdis;33161 Wrote:
>> *** Please do not post important messages (like new words, votes, and
>> results) directly on the Google site until the problem is resolved. If
>> you choose to do so, please make sure you send Dodi a separate copy.
>> ***
>
> May I suggest that such things *can *be posted directly on the TAPCIS
> site (http://www.tapcis.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=5 will take you
> right to The Parlor) and they *DO *get delivered from there? So anybody
> who doesn't exclusively use email should use the forum. That's what it's
> there for, and there's absolutely no reason not to use it!
>
>

[Judy G. Russell]

a message posted in the parlor, then
transmitted to the group is, probably, still not going to reach her, at
least not reliably, because when it heads toward her Email address it
will be going out from the group, not from tapcis.com. On the other
hand, I don't know if that exact path has been tested.

Dodi surely seems to have gotten most if not all of the messages I've posted in The Parlor.

[Daniel B. Widdis]

On 5/7/07, Guerri Stevens <guerri (AT) tapcis (DOT) com> wrote:
> I want to make sure I understand: if I had a Gmail address, and asked
> the Google group to send messages to it, and if I send a message from my
> Gmail account to the group, either a reply or a new message, the Google
> group would not send it back to me. Is that the way it works?

Not really as you describe, but that's the effect. Here's what
actually happens:

In gmail, when you send a message from an external client (such as
Outlook) via SMTP, it is stored as a "Sent Mail".

Eventually the Google Group (or Yahoo Group or any mailing list, they
all behave the same) receives the message, and shotguns it out to
everyone subscribed, including gmail users.

However, when Gmail receives it, it compares the Message Id from the
headers with its previous copy in the "Sent Mail" and determines that
the message is a duplicate. It tosses the newer version and keeps
only your Sent Mail version: thus it never gets downloaded as a new
POP message.

A similar thing occurs when you send an email directly from the Gmail
web interface. A copy gets downloaded via POP, but it's still the
"sent mail" version that is downloaded, and does not necessarily
represent the mailing list version, which gets tossed as a duplicate
when it arrives (if it actually arrives).

--
Dan Widdis

[Guerri Stevens]

Maybe someone should experiment by starting a new discussion (new topic)
in the parlor and see if Dodi gets it.

Guerri

Judy G. Russell wrote:
> Dodi surely seems to have gotten most if not all of the messages I've
> posted in The Parlor.

[SloppyDisk]

All,

Just a quick update, in case you're ignoring the messages I said to ignore.
:)

1. I set up my own compuserve.com account to receive (or not) the test
messages. Messages posted directly on the group website _are not being
delivered to compuserve addresses_ (in particular, Dodi). Accordingly:

*** Please do not post important messages (like new words, votes, and
results) directly on the Google site until the problem is resolved. If you
choose to do so, please make sure you send Dodi a separate copy. ***

There may be other email delivery issues to compuserve.com, but the google
site posts appear to be the most consistently non-received.

2. The right guy (named "Mike") is in contact with the CompuServe mail team.
I have high hopes he'll get this problem fixed promptly. Wayne Habberstad,
formerly a Dix player, is also assisting.

--
Dan
I will post all messages from now on to the list from the tapcis web site to be sure everyone receives them. Dodi, I am sorry you did not receive my posting in the last round.

Suzanne

[Dodi Schultz]

Guerri, I believe that Dan has determined that CompuServe has specificallly
been blocking only messages posted from google--so that (as I understand
it) Judy is right and messages posted to the group from the Tapcis.com
Website would be unaffected.

--Dodi

[Daniel B. Widdis]

GS> Maybe someone should experiment by starting a new discussion
GS> (new topic) in the parlor

Mike's essentially done that with the rolling scores, which Dodi receives.

--
Dan