[Dixonary] New Round:1805 GUT-WEED

[JohnnyB]

Bill

> Marijuana in brownies.

Yukky -- (also a test to see what I get back)

JohnnyB

[JohnnyB]

Bill

> Marijuana in brownies.

Yukky -- (also a test to see what I get back)

JohnnyB

[Dodi Schultz]

>> Bill
>>
>> > Marijuana in brownies.
>>
>> Yukky -- (also a test to see what I get back)
>>
>> JohnnyB

I just saw the message above.

I never saw the message from Bill to which Johnny is apparently
responding.

More important, I never saw any announcement of a word and a deadline from
Johnny.

==> If GUT-WEED (as the header says) is in fact the word for round 1805:
Would someone please tell me the deadline for submission of defs?

==> HOW COME Johnny's message above got to my mailbox but his announcement
of the word didn't???? Johnny, did you post them differently?

Aaaarrrrgh!

P.S.: I also DID see John's subsequent message to Dan.

--Dodi

[Judy Madnick]

----- Original message ----------------------------------------
From: "Christopher Carson" <christopherlanecarson (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

<< As far
<< as I can tell, I have received all of the posted messages via email except
<< messages I posted myself via email to the Google group. I haven't posted
<< any at all to the group itself. As Dodi observed this is all very
<< mysterious.

All my email is delivered via Google to my email program (!ntellect -- formerly Express Plus). If I use this program to forward an email to myself (which I occasionally do if a message ends up with the wrong "account"), Google will not send it to me. If I go to gmail on the Web, messages I have forwarded to myself will remain in my inbox.

However, messages I've written to a Google *group* don't get stuck in my gmail inbox . . . as they have for Chris.

From "discussions" on Google, "Gmail pop won't download a message from your gmail account sent to that same account. Basically, they assume that because you already have a copy in your outlook sent folder, you won't want a second copy in the inbox."

Don't you hate it when they "assume"? This must be true for other than Outlook.

Judy Madnick

[Judy Madnick]

----- Original message ----------------------------------------
From: "Paul Keating" <pjakeating (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

<< After the move, I set most people's mail settings in the Yahoo group to
<< Special Notices Only, so that they would not get purely Coryphæus-related
<< email.

<< That means they won't get your posting unless I (or they) change those
<< settings back.

Hmmmm . . . no one changed mine. Does that mean no one loves me . . . or perhaps I was just lucky (under the current circumstances)?!

Judy Madnick

[JohnnyB]

Dan

I guess you saw Paul's comment that he had turned off Cory - or part of it... So gulp....

All I think I can do at the moment is watch the defs come in... If they are very low (I have 7 at the moment - with 23 hours to go)
at the 12 hours to go mark I will email the reminder directly to all recent players who havenot yet submitted a def and extend the
time to something more amenable to USA players

JohnnyB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com
> [mailto:Dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com] On Behalf Of Daniel B. Widdis
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 5:28 PM
> To: Dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com
> Subject: [Dixonary] Re: New Round:1805 GUT-WEED
>
>
> On 4/30/07, JohnnyB wrote:
> >
> > I am sticking with google groups for this round
>
> JohnnyB,
>
> I would recommend immediately switching back to the
> Coryphaeus group, using the delay between your posting and
> the definition posting as a transition time. It appears the
> email delivery here is totally unsatisfactory for our
> purposes. I will research other, perhaps privately hosted,
> options for our game.
>
> --
> Dan Widdis

[Dodi Schultz]

>> I know Dodi is using Tapcis and has had problems.

It would make more sense, Chris, if I weren't getting any Dix@google
messages. But as far as I can figure out, I get everybody's except Bill's
(but I did get two of his, as I noted, though both had trailing HTML dupes)
and ONE of John's, the one announcing the new word (although I've seen
messages from him before and since).

--Dodi

[Dodi Schultz]

>> It is entirely possible that there is an incompatibility between
>> messages posted on the group website and compuserve.com mail. It is
>> possible the problem is TAPCIS related.

I'd conclude one or both of those, Dan, if I weren't getting any messages
from the group. But AFAIK, I've actually received practically all of the
messages posted, the exceptions being most of Bill's, and one of John's.

--Dodi

[Christopher Carson]

Dodi,

That's what makes it so puzzling - that you get some messages and not others
and that for the most part only Bill's messages are problematic and then not
all of them. I don't know if the variables in posting .... mail to Google,
posting at Google, etc. ... are involved or what. It would take controlled
experiments to find out I imagine and those would be difficult to carry out.

Chris

[Dodi Schultz]

>> That's what makes it so puzzling - that you get some messages and
>> not others and that for the most part only Bill's messages are
>> problematic and then not all of them.

Yes, Chris. ALMOST all of Bill's though; there have been only two messages
of Bill's I've seen, both with HTML duplicates. (What does THAT say?)

And AFAIK, the only other message I've not seen here was John's word
announcement for this round (two players have since e-mailed it directly to
me, as did John himself).

So we get back to: What do all of Bill's messages (except those two) and
that one of John's have in common? If nothing initially, what did Google do
with/to them?

--Dodi

[Dodi Schultz]

>> It is possible, I guess, that CompuServe is sporadically refusing
>> Email from Google due to a spam report or for some other reason.

Highly unlikely, Guerri, since it happily lets through header language I
wouldn't quote in a family venue such as this.

>> As far as the TAPCIS software is concerned, that also seems unlikely
>> to me, again because Dodi is getting many messages.

AFAIK, all except Bill's and that one from John (I've seen others from him
since).

>> Unless she somehow inadvertently is "blocking" Bill's or now
>> Johnny's (can't remember whether you can use block in Email but I
>> think so).

No, TAPCIS can't do that in e-mail; it could block designated individuals
in the old (pre-2005) CIS forums, but not e-mails.

--Dodi

[Toni Savage]

I read directly in Yahoo mail. I suppose IE7 is my "email client".

Toni

Christopher Carson <christopherlanecarson (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Dan,

I've been watching the interplay with interest and am curious. How many
people have failed to receive emails and out of curiosity, what email client
are they using? I know Dodi is using Tapcis and has had problems. As far
as I can tell, I have received all of the posted messages via email except
messages I posted myself via email to the Google group. I haven't posted
any at all to the group itself. As Dodi observed this is all very
mysterious.

Chris




-- Toni Savage

[Daniel B. Widdis]

DS> So we get back to: What do all of Bill's messages (except those two)
DS> and that one of John's have in common?

All were originally posted in the Google Group and were not replies.

Bill's first message included "new and improved".

It's entirely possible you (CompuServe) have some sort of spam filter that
just isn't used to seeing Dixonary messages, and is triggering a few "false
positives" before it settles in....

--
Dan

[Tony Abell]

On 2007-04-30 at 21:47 Daniel B. Widdis wrote:

> It's entirely possible you (CompuServe) have some sort of spam filter that
> just isn't used to seeing Dixonary messages, and is triggering a few "false
> positives" before it settles in....

The extreme arbitrariness of CompuServe's filtering behavior is characteristic
of score-based (e.g., Bayesian) filters. What tips a message over the threshold
can be some completely trivial and minor detail that is usually or always present
in messages from certain persons or domains. Unfortunately, my experience is
that "settling in" just means it gets worse with time, as classic account
holders like Dodi and me cannot adjust anything or even enter a simple whitelist.

[Dodi Schultz]

>> The extreme arbitrariness of CompuServe's filtering behavior...

Never happened before the move, Tony. Not to me, anyway. I know you've
reported problems, but AFAIK (except for those announced Yahoo "outages") I
never had any problem pre-Googlegroups.

P.S.: I do wish you'd sign your messages! (Have to scroll down through the
routing text to find your name.) Just a four-letter word; is that so hard?

--Dodi

[Daniel B. Widdis]

TA> arbitrariness of CompuServe's filtering behavior...
DS> Never happened before the move, Tony. Not to me, anyway.

Before the move, your filter had grown accustomed to you receiving thousands
of "safe" messages from coryphaeus (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com. It had therefore
"learned" that it was a group to which you susbscribed and treated those
messages as "safe".

Immediately following the switch, you started getting messages from a new
googlegroup. The filter may have recognized "Dixonary" but most of the
other words in the first blocked message, including "new and improved", may
have been red flags. And having blocked one alleged "spam" from one
unfortunate alleged spammer "billhirst", Compuserve may have concluded that
some of his future messages were also spam. Now that you've played a whole
round, and sent messages to the group as well as received them, it may have
learned better.

Of course, this is all based on the theory that it's the CompuServe/AOL
filter that is causing the issues. It could be something else entirely.

--
Dan

[Keno77773@aol.com]

In a message dated 4/30/2007 9:56:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
christopherlanecarson (AT) gmail (DOT) com writes:

<<<I've been watching the interplay with interest and am curious. How many
people have failed to receive emails and out of curiosity, what email client
are they using?>>>
I use AOL and have never missed a message that I'm aware of. The AOL spam
filter works well, I don't get any that the filter doesn't catch. No dixonary
messages have ever been sent to the spam file.
Roberta







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[Dodi Schultz]

Additional grist for the analysis mills:

Here's the way Roberta's message From Dix (rec'd 01 May, 14:45 EDT)
arrived:

************************************************** ****************

Contents:

1 Internet Message Header
2 <no topic> * Binary *

========================== Begin Part 1 ===========================
Topic: Internet Message Header


In a message dated 4/30/2007 9:56:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
christopherlanecarson (AT) gmail (DOT) com writes:

<<<I've been watching the interplay with interest and am curious. How
many
people have failed to receive emails and out of curiosity, what email
client are they using?>>>
I use AOL and have never missed a message that I'm aware of. The AOL
spam
filter works well, I don't get any that the filter doesn't catch. No
dixonary messages have ever been sent to the spam file.
Roberta

************************************************** **********************

Except as previously reported, no others have looked like that. Also,
alone of the several Dix messages picked up in this pass, it had an
HTML-coded dupe attached.

--Dodi

[Daniel Widdis]

Here's the way Roberta's message From Dix arrived ...

If senders have their clients set to send HTML messages, that's just going to be the way they show up.

Unlike Yahoo!, which processed messages and sent them out in the user-specified format, Google appears to pass messages straight through in their original format. Which makes life slightly uglier for non-HTML mail readers such as TAPCIS, but at least readable.