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Dodi Schultz
June 14th, 2005, 12:19 AM
>> Dodi, it was Message 1161

Maybe on your computer. Not on mine.

>> From: "Paul Keating" <coryphaeus@...>
>> Date: Mon Jun 13, 2005 4:43 pm
>> . . .
>> Here's a copy of the message:

Len, I can't imagine why you repeated that whole message. In any event, I'm
using TAPCIS, receiving Dixonary messages by e-mail, and the "Fm:" line
shows only the Yahoo group as the sender.

This was previously discussed. In depth. The original sender's name can be
seen by some of us, if the message is unsigned, only by scrolling through
what is frequently a sea of Internet routing text at the bottom of the
message.

That's why some of us have repeatedly requested that all messages be
signed. I don't know why some players find it so difficult to type a first
name, or initials. I thought most people were used to signing their regular
e-mail. (In fact, the majority used to sign their messages in the old
forum!)

<sigh>

--Dodi

Daniel B. Widdis
June 14th, 2005, 01:20 AM
On 6/13/05, Dodi Schultz wrote:
> Maybe on your computer. Not on mine.

Thus is the reason for Internet Standards.

RFC 822 has, since 1982, specified a standard for email that indicates
the originator by putting their name (and email address) after the
"From:" line in electronic mail messages. This negates the need for a
signature -- in fact, signatures are not in the standard at all. They
are entirely optional for people who might wish to be known as a
nickname, or include other information not in the From: header.

Most email clients conform to this standard, displaying the originator's name.

> I don't know why some players find it so difficult to...

It should not be incumbent upon the originator of the message to be
required to add a non-standard element to their message. It should be
incumbent on the recipient of a message to gather such readily
available information from the standard location where such has been
available since 1982.

I have, for example, asked you to include a "Re:" in your subject line
so that it will thread properly at tapcis.com. You have declined,
which is entirely in your right. The inclusion of "Re:" in a subject
line is not an internet standard, even though it would cost you fewer
keystrokes each message than many people's names in their signature
lines do. It is therefore incumbent on me to alter my own reading
habits to find these "stray threads" posted by you.

TAPCIS is a powerful program. Certainly there are macros, tools, and
other means available to harvest the standard internet header from the
midst of the other headers in the message.

There are also numerous free and powerful standards-compliant programs
available for use. I think it would be more helpful to pursue means
that encourage use of standard behavior rather than constantly point
out when people do not do something that they ought not be required to
do to begin with.

- Dan

John Barrs
June 14th, 2005, 04:31 AM
Anyone with Outlook

>> It looks like you can't do anything tabular in a message on Yahoo,
so some of what we are used to doing in messages may need to be
posted as files with a url.
<<

The solution in Outlook is to open the mail (ie click on it so that it opens in its own window, nut merely in the reading pane) then
in that window use menu View-->Encode and choose US-ASCII that sets it up tabular
then ***very important if you want it to view in the reading pane that way*** in that same window menu File-->Save

On closing the window; what is in the reading pane will still be wrong, but go off that message and back to it -and 'voila' all
tabulated up

May be similar options in other things like TB etc

JohnnyB [using email; via corypaheus/yahoogroups]


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leonardgoran
June 14th, 2005, 06:24 AM
--- In coryphaeus (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, Dodi Schultz <schultz@c...> wrote:
> Len, I can't imagine why you repeated that whole message.<

Dodi, just trying to be helpful--sorry if it proved inconvenient.


> That's why some of us have repeatedly requested that all messages be
signed. <

Yes, I like seeing a signature--I always use "Regards, Len." Regards,
Len [g]

Toni Savage
June 14th, 2005, 07:07 AM
The reason why some of us include the whole message is
that Yahoo just does it automatically... no choice.

--- Dodi Schultz <schultz (AT) compuserve (DOT) com> wrote:

>
> >> Dodi, it was Message 1161
>
> Maybe on your computer. Not on mine.
>
> >> From: "Paul Keating" <coryphaeus@...>
> >> Date: Mon Jun 13, 2005 4:43 pm
> >> . . .
> >> Here's a copy of the message:
>
> Len, I can't imagine why you repeated that whole
> message. In any event, I'm
> using TAPCIS, receiving Dixonary messages by e-mail,
> and the "Fm:" line
> shows only the Yahoo group as the sender.
>
> This was previously discussed. In depth. The
> original sender's name can be
> seen by some of us, if the message is unsigned, only
> by scrolling through
> what is frequently a sea of Internet routing text at
> the bottom of the
> message.
>
> That's why some of us have repeatedly requested that
> all messages be
> signed. I don't know why some players find it so
> difficult to type a first
> name, or initials. I thought most people were used
> to signing their regular
> e-mail. (In fact, the majority used to sign their
> messages in the old
> forum!)
>
> <sigh>
>
> --Dodi
>

Judy Madnick
June 14th, 2005, 07:27 AM
----- Original message ----------------------------------------
From: "Toni Savage" <tonicsavage (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>
To: coryphaeus (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Received: 6/14/2005 1:07:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Tabular stuff

<< The reason why some of us include the whole message is
<< that Yahoo just does it automatically... no choice.

In both my email program and on the Yahoo! Groups site I can delete part or all of the message to which I'm replying. Can't you do that in your email program (assuming that that's where you're receiving group messages)?

Judy Madnick
Albany, NY

leonardgoran
June 14th, 2005, 07:45 AM
--- In coryphaeus (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, Toni Savage <tonicsavage@y...> wrote:
> The reason why some of us include the whole message is
that Yahoo just does it automatically... no choice.<

Toni, I get my Yahoo messages on/line--just my personal preference. I
can add, delete, edit, etc to all my replies. I don't like getting
Yahoo messages via email but it seems to me one should be able to reply
via email with whatever editing you want to do. Regards, Len

leonardgoran
June 14th, 2005, 07:47 AM
--- In coryphaeus (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "Judy Madnick" <email@j...> wrote:
> Can't you do that in your email program <

Judy, that's exactly what I was thinking--I replied to Toni before
going on to your message--with my Yahoo I can do exactly what you say
using either on/line or email. Regards, Len

Judy Madnick
June 14th, 2005, 07:48 AM
----- Original message ----------------------------------------
From: leonardgoran <LENSUE468 (AT) compuserve (DOT) com>
Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Tabular stuff

<< Judy, that's exactly what I was thinking--I replied to Toni before
<< going on to your message

No problem. I would imagine that most, if not all, email programs allow the edits, etc.

Judy Madnick
Albany, NY

leonardgoran
June 14th, 2005, 08:17 AM
--- In coryphaeus (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "Judy Madnick" <email@j...> wrote:
> I would imagine that most, if not all, email programs allow the
edits, etc.<

Judy, and talk about editing our styles of editing are very close. You
use a brief quoteback like me but my quoteback is between > and < where
yours is the << before each line. Then you write your message as do
I. Then you finish off with the more formal Judy Madnick Albany, NY
where I use the less formal "Regards, Len" Now why can't everyone be
like us! You and others may ask why I wrote this message--I'm stalling-
-when I leave the computer I gotta go out and mow the lawn and it's
going to 90 degrees today! Regards, Len [diving for cover!]

Judy Madnick
June 14th, 2005, 08:24 AM
----- Original message ----------------------------------------
From: leonardgoran <LENSUE468 (AT) compuserve (DOT) com>
Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Tabular stuff

<< Judy, and talk about editing our styles of editing are very close.

I do try to keep things as brief as possible. When I remember, I will even edit the header (see above). I hope deleting the date isn't a problem to anyone -- and the truth is, I don't always remember to shorten the header. <G>

<< Now why can't everyone be
<< like us!

I don't know whether to agree -- or say, "That's a scary thought." ROFL!

<< I gotta go out and mow the lawn and it's
<< going to 90 degrees today!

This weather is horrendous . . . and seems to be triggering my migraines. <sigh> I have *not* been a happy camper.

Judy Madnick
Albany, NY

Chris Carson
June 14th, 2005, 12:01 PM
John,

That's a good idea but I guess it Outlook Express didn't see fit to include
US-ASCII encoding. I do have Estonian, Greek and 4 kinds of Cyrillic
available, though.

Chris


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Barrs" <john.barrs (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com>
To: <coryphaeus (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 5:31 AM
Subject: RE: [Dixonary] Tabular stuff


> Anyone with Outlook
>
>>> It looks like you can't do anything tabular in a message on Yahoo,
> so some of what we are used to doing in messages may need to be
> posted as files with a url.
> <<
>
> The solution in Outlook is to open the mail (ie click on it so that it
> opens in its own window, nut merely in the reading pane) then
> in that window use menu View-->Encode and choose US-ASCII that sets it up
> tabular
> then ***very important if you want it to view in the reading pane that
> way*** in that same window menu File-->Save
>
> On closing the window; what is in the reading pane will still be wrong,
> but go off that message and back to it -and 'voila' all
> tabulated up
>
> May be similar options in other things like TB etc
>
> JohnnyB [using email; via corypaheus/yahoogroups]
>
>
> --
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.1 - Release Date: 13/06/2005
>
>
>
>
>
>

leonardgoran
June 14th, 2005, 12:41 PM
--- In coryphaeus (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "Judy Madnick" <email@j...> wrote:
> I have *not* been a happy camper <

Judy, when you win the next round I'm sure it will be a big pick up for
you! Regards, Len [g]

Guerri Stevens
June 14th, 2005, 02:05 PM
Daniel B. Widdis wrote:
> I have, for example, asked you to include a "Re:" in your subject line

Dan, where should the "Re:" go? I see two different formats in messages
as delivered to me via Email from the Coryphaeus group. The subject of
your message, to which I'm replying, is "[Dixonary] Re: Tabular stuff"
(I'm not certain whether there are spaces around the "Re:" or not).

Another message that appears to be in the same thread, according to
Thunderbird, has the "Re:" ahead of [Dixonary]. And it looks as though
this reply from me will have "Re: [Dixonary] Re: Tabular stuff".

If you know where the "Re:" should go, perhaps I can make a macro for
Dodi. Likewise if you know that it doesn't matter where it goes.

I don't know whether it would be possible to make a macro to locate the
"From" person's name.

Is there anyone here besides Dodi that is still using TAPCIS or HMI to
participate in the game?

--
Guerri

Guerri Stevens
June 14th, 2005, 02:09 PM
Toni Savage wrote:
> The reason why some of us include the whole message is
> that Yahoo just does it automatically... no choice.
>

Toni, if you're talking about Yahoo Email, then whether or not the whole
message is quoted is an option. I forget where it's set. If you're
talking about messages composed in the group, I don't know.

In any event, since you can edit your message, you could remove part or
all of the quoted material. Thunderbird also includes the whole thing by
default, and I just delete whatever I don't want.

I think it's a matter of convention. The last place I worked, we always
quoted the entire message, at the end of whatever we had to say in
reply. As conversations went on, the quotes at the end got longer and
longer!

--
Guerri

Paul Keating
June 14th, 2005, 02:14 PM
[/group tag/] Re: /subject /indicates a reply to /subject/ made on Yahoo.

Re: [/group tag/] /subject/ indicates a reply to /subject/ made in an
email client.

Re: [/group tag/] Re: /subject/ indicates a reply made in an email
client to a reply made on Yahoo.

Mail clients recognize Re: at the front but won't recognize a Re: that
is (from their perspective) embedded in the subject, which is why they
prefix it again.

Guerri Stevens wrote:

>Dan, where should the "Re:" go? I see two different formats in messages
>as delivered to me via Email from the Coryphaeus group.
>


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Judy Madnick
June 14th, 2005, 04:44 PM
----- Original message ----------------------------------------
From: leonardgoran <LENSUE468 (AT) compuserve (DOT) com>
Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Tabular stuff

<< Judy, when you win the next round I'm sure it will be a big pick up for
<< you! Regards, Len [g]

Bite your tongue!

Judy Madnick
Albany, NY

Judy Madnick
June 14th, 2005, 04:46 PM
----- Original message ----------------------------------------
From: "Guerri Stevens" <guerri (AT) tapcis (DOT) com>
Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Tabular stuff

<< I think it's a matter of convention. The last place I worked, we always
<< quoted the entire message, at the end of whatever we had to say in
<< reply. As conversations went on, the quotes at the end got longer and
<< longer!

That works fine for office emails -- but if anyone is using the "digest" version here, they will *not* be happy with a lot of quoted material!

Judy Madnick
Albany, NY

Guerri Stevens
June 14th, 2005, 06:31 PM
Judy Madnick wrote:

> That works fine for office emails -- but if anyone is using the "digest" version here, they will *not* be happy with a lot of quoted material!
>

I was not suggesting that we adopt the method of quoting that quotes the
entire original message (including its own quotes). I just mentioned it.

I don't thing anyone here is using a digest, but I could be wrong.

--
Guerri

Judy Madnick
June 14th, 2005, 07:42 PM
----- Original message ----------------------------------------
From: "Guerri Stevens" <guerri (AT) tapcis (DOT) com>
Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Tabular stuff

<< I was not suggesting that we adopt the method of quoting that quotes the
<< entire original message (including its own quotes). I just mentioned it.

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you were recommending that. I don't know whether anyone here is using the digest either, but you never know!

Judy Madnick
Albany, NY