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Dodi Schultz
June 3rd, 2005, 12:56 PM
Judy reports getting kind of a weird picture of the rolling scores for
round 1614.

Speaking just for me--I'm receiving by e-mail, from the Yahoo listserv, and
I use TAPCIS for my e-mail--it looks fine, with the sole exception that the
column *headings* are slightly displaced; below that, everything (names and
scores) lines up perfectly, both horizontally and vertically.

--Dodi



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John Barrs
June 3rd, 2005, 03:51 PM
Judy

>>Not on my computer!<<

Tell me, what did your copy of **your** email look like when it was emailed back to you by the group?

My point was that it depended on the font types in use on *both* machines, sender and receiver: and whether both or either was set
to receive text or html - etc etc.


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email@judyandstu.com
June 4th, 2005, 06:40 AM
----- Original message ----------------------------------------
From: "Hugo Kornelis" <hugo (AT) perFact (DOT) info>
Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Round 1614 rolling scores

<< Since our experience at the email copy and the Yahoo groups site are so
<< vastly different, I'd be interested to know what email client and what
<< browser you are using. I am using Outlook Express 6 for email and MS
<< Internet Explorer 6 for browsing.

I am using IE6 and Express Plus as my email client.

Did you use spaces or tabs?

This is not a major issue (although I guess any crowns that come through will be funny looking). <G>

Judy Madnick



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email@judyandstu.com
June 4th, 2005, 06:44 AM
----- Original message ----------------------------------------
From: "John Barrs" <john.barrs (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com>
Subject: RE: [Dixonary] Round 1614 rolling scores

<< Tell me, what did your copy of **your** email look like when it was emailed back to you
<< by the group?

I didn't save it. <sigh> But it still wasn't lined up.

<< My point was that it depended on the font types in use on *both* machines, sender and
<< receiver: and whether both or either was set
<< to receive text or html - etc etc.

I'm sure. I'm wondering about tabs versus spaces.

The bottom line is this: There aren't many messages in Dixonary that require neat columns or will make a difference in my life <G>, and I can live with whatever I get. I originally mentioned it to see whether anyone else experienced the misaligned columns. If I'm the only one . . . so be it.

I wonder whether the choice of "convert to HTML" would improve things.

Judy Madnick



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email@judyandstu.com
June 4th, 2005, 07:02 AM
----- Original message ----------------------------------------
From: mshefler <stamps (AT) salsgiver (DOT) com>
To: coryphaeus (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Received: 6/3/2005 10:34:59 AM
Subject: [Dixonary] Round 1614 rolling scores


When I go to the web to view the rolling-score message, the columns aren't lined up either because the asterisks throw it off. It looks like there is a space between each column, with the asterisk taking up an extra space.

Judy Madnick



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email@judyandstu.com
June 4th, 2005, 07:51 AM
----- Original message ----------------------------------------
From: mshefler <stamps (AT) salsgiver (DOT) com>
Subject: [Dixonary] Round 1614 rolling scores

If no one minds one extra message, I'm wondering whether Mike could post the rolling-score list again via Yahoo! Groups. I've changed my setting on the web and want to see if that helps the formatting.

Thanks (I hope!).

Judy Madnick



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Hugo Kornelis
June 4th, 2005, 11:12 AM
Hi Judy,

>I am using IE6 and Express Plus as my email client.
>
>Did you use spaces or tabs?

I use neither :) The rolling scores are kept and posted by Mike.

I don't know what or where he posted. I do know that if I check his message
in either tapcis.com or in my mail archive, it is displayed with enough
spaces between the column to get them lined out. So I _suspect_ that Mike
used spaces to align the columns.

If I check the same message on groups.yahoo.com, each set of spaces is
simply replaced by one space.

>This is not a major issue (although I guess any crowns that come through
will be funny looking). <G>

Amen to that.

Best, Hugo





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Marijke van Gans [PG2002]
June 4th, 2005, 01:20 PM
My feedback re

> I'll just quote a small amount of your message, but this is what it looks
like on my computer:

(seeing the list by email, using fixed font for all msgs):

a) Mike's list was almost perfect. Only the words "Round" in the top line
didn't line up exactly with their numbers. Those numbers did line up
with all the rest.

b) Your quotation is identical (except that the << make it slightly too
wide, so the last bit of each line spills over)

c) I'm getting this thread all out of sequence! Many hours ago i saw replies
to your message, only now i see your message itself.

One hint: set your font (to read messages in) to a fixed width (monospaced)
one. That's the only way you can ever *begin* to hope to see any tabular
message align well. Proportional fonts won't do that (even if sender and
receiver both use proportional, chances are slim they use fonts that are
proportional in the exact same way).

Using fixed font also helps when you *write* a message that you want to
align on other people's screen -- otherwise they are never going to guess
just which proportional font you used. All fixed fonts align in exactly the
same way.

--Regards, marijke




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email@judyandstu.com
June 5th, 2005, 07:58 AM
----- Original message ----------------------------------------
From: "Marijke van Gans [PG2002]" <marijke (AT) for (DOT) mat.bham.ac.uk>
To: coryphaeus (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Received: 6/4/2005 2:20:59 PM
Subject: RE: [Dixonary] Round 1614 rolling scores

b) Your quotation is identical (except that the << make it slightly too
wide, so the last bit of each line spills over)

This must depend on the reader's email selections then. I have received no "good" copy of the list, whether sent by Mike or me.

c) I'm getting this thread all out of sequence! Many hours ago i saw replies
to your message, only now i see your message itself.

I can't answer that one. <G>

<< One hint: set your font (to read messages in) to a fixed width (monospaced)
one. >>

I don't see an option for that. I'll have to get further info. But I *have* tried changing my Yahoo! Groups settings and am awaiting a second mailing of the list to see if that helps.

<< Using fixed font also helps when you *write* a message that you want to
align on other people's screen >>

I send all messages in text format (except when I'm experimenting in an effort to "fix" some of these issues).

Judy Madnick



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Marijke van Gans [PG2002]
June 5th, 2005, 08:52 PM
Judy,
>
> << One hint: set your font (to read messages in) to a fixed width
(monospaced)
> one. >>
>
> I don't see an option for that. I'll have to get further info. But I
*have* tried changing my Yahoo! Groups settings and am awaiting a second
mailing of the list to see if that helps.

I don't mean your Yahoo! settings, but your own settings at home in your
email program.

The Yahoo! list doesn't mail any fonts info, it just mails out plain ASCII
text. Your email program will have a setting somewhere what font to use if
the message itself doesn't specify any font. It'll be buried in "Options",
"Preferences" or some such. You could pick a fixed-width one, such as

Courier
Courier New
Fixedsys
Ice Nine
Lucida Console
Monospace 821
Terminal

or anything else with "mono" or "fixed" or "console" or "terminal" in its name.

Assuming you get the list by mail of course. If you view it on the web, you
could try and change the font your browser uses -- not recommended, then all
web pages use that font!

--Regards, marijke




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Judy Madnick
June 6th, 2005, 11:46 AM
----- Original message ----------------------------------------
From: "Marijke van Gans [PG2002]" <marijke (AT) for (DOT) mat.bham.ac.uk>

Judy said: I don't see an option for that. I'll have to get further info. But I *have* tried changing my Yahoo! Groups settings and am awaiting a second mailing of the list to see if that helps.

Marijke said: I don't mean your Yahoo! settings, but your own settings at home in your email program.

Judy said: Yes, I know that. I'm referring to my email program.

Marijke said: The Yahoo! list doesn't mail any fonts info, it just mails out plain ASCII text.

Judy said: I receive some of my Yahoo! emails from the Cory group as HTML.

Marijke said: Your email program will have a setting somewhere what font to use if the message itself doesn't specify any font. It'll be buried in "Options",

Judy said: I looked there before and thought I changed it -- but now I realize that I didn't change the message font. DUH! That works well for Mike's list; however, I do still receive some messages as HTML. I wonder whether those are ones written from tapcis.com . . . or something??

Thanks, Marijke!

Judy



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Judy Madnick
June 6th, 2005, 11:49 AM
----- Original message ----------------------------------------
From: "Marijke van Gans [PG2002]" <marijke (AT) for (DOT) mat.bham.ac.uk>

BTW, Marijke, your messages come through as HTML. Where do you write from?

Judy Madnick
Albany, NY



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Guerri Stevens
June 6th, 2005, 03:49 PM
Judy and Marijke, there is an option in the Coryphaeus group that deals
with HTML; it's on the Edit Membership page, at the bottom. Under
Message Format, you can choose betwen "convert to HTML" and "do not
convert to HTML, don't change format of messages". Now, Judy, this would
not control how you RECEIVE messages. So if you are getting some in HTML
they are probable sent by someone using it or by someone who chose to
convert to it.

I have a feeling this will come to you as HTML because I haven't totally
figured out this Email software yet.

Guerri

Judy Madnick wrote:

> ----- Original message ----------------------------------------
> From: "Marijke van Gans [PG2002]" <marijke (AT) for (DOT) mat.bham.ac.uk>
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>Judy said: I don't see an option for that. I'll have to get further info. But I *have* tried changing my Yahoo! Groups settings and am awaiting a second mailing of the list to see if that helps.
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>Marijke said: I don't mean your Yahoo! settings, but your own settings at home in your email program.
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>Judy said: Yes, I know that. I'm referring to my email program.
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>Marijke said: The Yahoo! list doesn't mail any fonts info, it just mails out plain ASCII text.
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>Judy said: I receive some of my Yahoo! emails from the Cory group as HTML.
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>Marijke said: Your email program will have a setting somewhere what font to use if the message itself doesn't specify any font. It'll be buried in "Options",
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>Judy said: I looked there before and thought I changed it -- but now I realize that I didn't change the message font. DUH! That works well for Mike's list; however, I do still receive some messages as HTML. I wonder whether those are ones written from tapcis.com . . . or something??
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>Thanks, Marijke!
>
>Judy
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Judy Madnick
June 6th, 2005, 06:27 PM
----- Original message ----------------------------------------
From: "Guerri Stevens" <guerri (AT) tapcis (DOT) com>
Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Round 1614 rolling scores

<< you can choose betwen "convert to HTML" and "do not
<< convert to HTML, don't change format of messages".

I have switched to the option *not* to convert. If someone sends a text message (as you apparently did), that's how it arrives. And now that I'm using a monospaced font, it looks good.

Judy Madnick
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Marijke van Gans
June 6th, 2005, 08:06 PM
> Judy Madnick said
>
> BTW, Marijke, your messages come through as HTML. Where do you write from?

Aaarrggghh! That's *terrible*! I just went to the Cory Yahoo! site, and
there are *no* options to choose what kind of mail i send. Only how i
receive mail. And i had a look at my message (the one you replied to) and it
doesn't look at all HTMLish to me...

I write from home, Reply-To set to my school email account (which i read here).

--regards, marijke




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Judy Madnick
June 6th, 2005, 08:09 PM
----- Original message ----------------------------------------
From: "Marijke van Gans" <marijke (AT) for (DOT) mat.bham.ac.uk>
To: coryphaeus (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Received: 6/6/2005 9:06:39 PM
Subject: RE: [Dixonary] Round 1614 rolling scores

<< Aaarrggghh! That's *terrible*!

This message came through as text. Don't ask -- I have no clue what's going on!

Judy Madnick
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