[Dixonary] OT: Thunderbird Update

[Guerri Stevens]

I don't know what's going on with Thunderbird, but today, for some
reason, it updated itself. I did not tell it to do so and I have not set
it up to update automatically and as far as I can tell, my settings have
not been changed to update automatically. But it did so anyway.

Is there any way to back it out? The new version is 38.7.2 and if I look
at the update history it was installed today. I didn't do it; honest, I
didn't.

And while on the subject: why on earth would Tbird need/want a
calendar/to do list?

And, apparently, when composing a message there is a "send a copy"
option. I can't figure that one out. I hope it continues to put a copy
in the "sent" folder, but maybe not. Maybe now I have to specify that in
some setting or other.

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[Dodi Schultz]

Dig around the Mozilla site, and you'll find that earlier copies of Tbird
are still there and can be downloaded and installed.


On 4/10/2016 9:32 AM, Guerri Stevens wrote:
> I don't know what's going on with Thunderbird, but today, for some
> reason, it updated itself. I did not tell it to do so and I have not set
> it up to update automatically and as far as I can tell, my settings have
> not been changed to update automatically. But it did so anyway.
>
> Is there any way to back it out? The new version is 38.7.2 and if I look
> at the update history it was installed today. I didn't do it; honest, I
> didn't.
>
> And while on the subject: why on earth would Tbird need/want a
> calendar/to do list?
>
> And, apparently, when composing a message there is a "send a copy"
> option. I can't figure that one out. I hope it continues to put a copy in
> the "sent" folder, but maybe not. Maybe now I have to specify that in
> some setting or other.
>

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[Guerri Stevens]

With all due respect, you're missing the point. It is not a matter of a
preference for the old version over the new one, although it is probably
going to be true that I prefer the older version.

The point is that the older version had a specific setting for updates,
and I did *not* set it to update automatically. And it did so anyway. I
might add that it carefully deleted the old version, so that if I want
to go back to the older version, *I* am the one who will spend time
getting it back.

In other words, why provide an option to update automatically or not if
you are going to ignore that?

By the way, the new version has the same option for updating, which I
have set the same way (i.e. let me choose whether or not to update), but
I am not expecting my wishes to be respected.

Guerri

On 4/10/2016 9:45 AM, Dodi Schultz wrote:
> Dig around the Mozilla site, and you'll find that earlier copies of
> Tbird are still there and can be downloaded and installed.
>
>

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[Dodi Schultz]

Mozilla clearly has it in for you.



On 4/11/2016 8:45 AM, Guerri Stevens wrote:
> With all due respect, you're missing the point. It is not a matter of a
> preference for the old version over the new one, although it is probably
> going to be true that I prefer the older version.
>
> The point is that the older version had a specific setting for updates,
> and I did *not* set it to update automatically. And it did so anyway. I
> might add that it carefully deleted the old version, so that if I want to
> go back to the older version, *I* am the one who will spend time getting
> it back.
>
> In other words, why provide an option to update automatically or not if
> you are going to ignore that?
>
> By the way, the new version has the same option for updating, which I
> have set the same way (i.e. let me choose whether or not to update), but
> I am not expecting my wishes to be respected.
>
> Guerri
>
> On 4/10/2016 9:45 AM, Dodi Schultz wrote:
>> Dig around the Mozilla site, and you'll find that earlier copies of
>> Tbird are still there and can be downloaded and installed.
>>
>>
>

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[Johnb - co.uk]

Guerri

I have never had that problem from Mozilla - I too set "check for
updates but let me take the decision" and I haven't had to change it for
years [[unlike Adobe which always defaults to "automatic update" I
always have to reset it to "let me choose when" after I have allowed an
update to say Adobe Reader]]

What does sometimes happen is that something else (often a Windows
update) will make decisions about other updates - Apple always does: if
I update I-Tunes then every other Apple based product that I have is set
to auto-update
*
JohnnyB

*
On 11/04/2016 13:45, Guerri Stevens wrote:
> With all due respect, you're missing the point. It is not a matter of
> a preference for the old version over the new one, although it is
> probably going to be true that I prefer the older version.
>
> The point is that the older version had a specific setting for
> updates, and I did *not* set it to update automatically. And it did so
> anyway. I might add that it carefully deleted the old version, so that
> if I want to go back to the older version, *I* am the one who will
> spend time getting it back.
>
> In other words, why provide an option to update automatically or not
> if you are going to ignore that?
>
> By the way, the new version has the same option for updating, which I
> have set the same way (i.e. let me choose whether or not to update),
> but I am not expecting my wishes to be respected.
>
> Guerri
>
> On 4/10/2016 9:45 AM, Dodi Schultz wrote:
>> Dig around the Mozilla site, and you'll find that earlier copies of
>> Tbird are still there and can be downloaded and installed.
>>
>>
>

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[Guerri Stevens]

Mozilla probably doesn't have it "in" for me. It may be that they asked
themselves why anyone would object to automatic updates. which reminds
me that I use the Firefox browser and maybe I should somehow protect
that. Anybody have ideas on how to do that? Can I set it to read only or
something like that?

The problem is that these days everything has to be "installed". It is
no longer enough to just copy the old file back over the new one.

I am complaining, but on the other hand, this is *free* software. So
maybe I should shut up.

Does anyone know how to make Tbird look in your address book when
composing a new message? I think that used to be the default.

This all reminds me of our "entertainment" on Saturday. I was getting
ready to make cornbread for breakfast, and luckily before adding the wet
to the dry ingredients, I decided to preheat the oven. There was a
little flash of light which was the element melting down in one spot.
Possibly it could have been repaired, but we decided that the stove was
about 20 years old and maybe we should get a new one. And since the
refrigerator was about the same vintage, maybe we should replace that at
the same time. So we went shopping and the first thing I said to the
salesman was that I wanted "no frills" models of both. No fancy
"improvements"! I feel the same way about software. I don't need an
appointment calendar as part of my Email software, for instance. Yes, I
can essentially turn it off, but it insists on lurking at the bottom of
the window and I don't think I can eliminate it totally. Oh well!

Guerri
On 4/11/2016 10:04 AM, Dodi Schultz wrote:
> Mozilla clearly has it in for you.
>
>
> On 4/11/2016 8:45 AM, Guerri Stevens wrote:
>> With all due respect, you're missing the point. It is not a matter of
>> a preference for the old version over the new one, although it is
>> probably going to be true that I prefer the older version.
>>
>> The point is that the older version had a specific setting for
>> updates, and I did *not* set it to update automatically. And it did
>> so anyway. I might add that it carefully deleted the old version, so
>> that if I want to go back to the older version, *I* am the one who
>> will spend time getting it back.
>>
>> In other words, why provide an option to update automatically or not
>> if you are going to ignore that?
>>
>> By the way, the new version has the same option for updating, which I
>> have set the same way (i.e. let me choose whether or not to update),
>> but I am not expecting my wishes to be respected.
>>
>> Guerri
>>
>> On 4/10/2016 9:45 AM, Dodi Schultz wrote:
>>> Dig around the Mozilla site, and you'll find that earlier copies of
>>> Tbird are still there and can be downloaded and installed.
>>>
>>>
>>
>

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[Jim Hart]

Guerri,
If you bought a Windows refrigerator you would periodically find notes
stuck on the door offering an upgrade. If you ignore them the next note
would suggest a time for installing the new version. If you ignore that and
leave the room for over an hour you could return to find a guy in your
kitchen changing it over. Don't worry - all your food will be exactly where
you expect it, though some defrosting may occur as the 90-minute upgrade
can sometimes take several hours, depending on your architecture. If the
new fridge doesn't fit it the space provided this indicates an incompatible
kitchen which will require extensive modification including replacement of
the 32-bit food processor and mother's chopping board, and frankly you'd be
better off getting a whole new kitchen with Refrigerator 10 pre-installed.

Jim


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[Guerri Stevens]

I hate to say it, but I am giving up. I don't like the new version of
Tbird, but I cannot see any way to force it to revert to the previous
version. Maybe in some backup or other I could find the .exe file, but
it's probably not worth the effort.

Aside from my dislike of the new format, with the "lines" and the wasted
space if there's only one recipient for my message and the fact that it
apparently will not use my address book to find a recipient (possibly
something that has to be set up, which means it didn't preserve my
settings).

Is there other Email software available that people like?

Guerri

On 4/11/2016 10:33 AM, Johnb - co.uk wrote:
> Guerri
>
> I have never had that problem from Mozilla - I too set "check for
> updates but let me take the decision" and I haven't had to change it
> for years [[unlike Adobe which always defaults to "automatic update" I
> always have to reset it to "let me choose when" after I have allowed
> an update to say Adobe Reader]]
>
> What does sometimes happen is that something else (often a Windows
> update) will make decisions about other updates - Apple always does:
> if I update I-Tunes then every other Apple based product that I have
> is set to auto-update
> *
> JohnnyB*

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[Guerri Stevens]

Well you lifted my spirits with your message. And funny you should
mention a refrigerator! On Saturday our stove's oven went bad, and
although we thought it could be fixed, it was about 20 years old, so we
figured we should get a new one. And considering that our refrigerator
was about the same vintage, we thought we might as well update that at
the same time. Aside from the shopping time it was pretty painless.
Mainly because I managed to have a prior committment at the time of the
installation, leaving my husband to manage everything. He's better at it
anyway. When I write my book on how to create a sane life I will put in
a tip about "letting your spouse do it".

Guerri

On 4/11/2016 11:31 AM, Jim Hart wrote:
> Guerri,
> If you bought a Windows refrigerator you would periodically find notes
> stuck on the door offering an upgrade. If you ignore them the next
> note would suggest a time for installing the new version. If you
> ignore that and leave the room for over an hour you could return to
> find a guy in your kitchen changing it over. Don't worry - all your
> food will be exactly where you expect it, though some defrosting may
> occur as the 90-minute upgrade can sometimes take several hours,
> depending on your architecture. If the new fridge doesn't fit it the
> space provided this indicates an incompatible kitchen which will
> require extensive modification including replacement of the 32-bit
> food processor and mother's chopping board, and frankly you'd be
> better off getting a whole new kitchen with Refrigerator 10
> pre-installed.
>
> Jim
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[Jim Hart]

Guerri,

> And funny you should mention a refrigerator!

Not at all. I was responding to your earlier message that included
cornbread and appliance shopping. I guess I should have included the
quoteback, especially since we know you aren't seeing threaded mail.

(For that, as I said elsewhere, click on the View tab, then on Threads.)

Jim


On Tuesday, 12 April 2016 07:12:23 UTC+10, Guerri wrote:
>
> Well you lifted my spirits with your message. And funny you should
> mention a refrigerator! On Saturday our stove's oven went bad, and
> although we thought it could be fixed, it was about 20 years old, so we
> figured we should get a new one. And considering that our refrigerator
> was about the same vintage, we thought we might as well update that at
> the same time. Aside from the shopping time it was pretty painless.
> Mainly because I managed to have a prior committment at the time of the
> installation, leaving my husband to manage everything. He's better at it
> anyway. When I write my book on how to create a sane life I will put in
> a tip about "letting your spouse do it".
>
> Guerri
>
> On 4/11/2016 11:31 AM, Jim Hart wrote:
> > Guerri,
> > If you bought a Windows refrigerator you would periodically find notes
> > stuck on the door offering an upgrade. If you ignore them the next
> > note would suggest a time for installing the new version. If you
> > ignore that and leave the room for over an hour you could return to
> > find a guy in your kitchen changing it over. Don't worry - all your
> > food will be exactly where you expect it, though some defrosting may
> > occur as the 90-minute upgrade can sometimes take several hours,
> > depending on your architecture. If the new fridge doesn't fit it the
> > space provided this indicates an incompatible kitchen which will
> > require extensive modification including replacement of the 32-bit
> > food processor and mother's chopping board, and frankly you'd be
> > better off getting a whole new kitchen with Refrigerator 10
> > pre-installed.
> >
> > Jim
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[Guerri Stevens]

Actually I *am* seeing threaded Email.

Guerri

On 4/12/2016 10:52 AM, Jim Hart wrote:
> Guerri,
>
> > And funny you should mention a refrigerator!
>
> Not at all. I was responding to your earlier message that included
> cornbread and appliance shopping. I guess I should have included the
> quoteback, especially since we know you aren't seeing threaded mail.
>
> (For that, as I said elsewhere, click on the View tab, then on Threads.)
>
> Jim

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[Jim Hart]

If by those "lines" you mean the three or four emptly lines for the To:
or Cc: addresses, that can easily be changed. Just click on the line below
that area, i.e. on border between addresses and text area - then you can
move it up or down as required..

Can't help you with the addresses. I've allowed Tbird to upgrade each time
and have never a problem with lost addresses. However whenever you receive
an email there's a star next to the sender's address. If it's yellow it
means it's in your address book; if it's not you can click on it to add it.

Jim

On Tuesday, 12 April 2016 06:58:01 UTC+10, Guerri wrote:
>
> I hate to say it, but I am giving up. I don't like the new version of
> Tbird, but I cannot see any way to force it to revert to the previous
> version. Maybe in some backup or other I could find the .exe file, but
> it's probably not worth the effort.
>
> Aside from my dislike of the new format, with the "lines" and the wasted
> space if there's only one recipient for my message and the fact that it
> apparently will not use my address book to find a recipient (possibly
> something that has to be set up, which means it didn't preserve my
> settings).
>
> Is there other Email software available that people like?
>
> Guerri
>
>

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[Guerri Stevens]

I think the newer version of Tbird is, in fact, still picking up
addresses from my address book. There may actually be a setting for that
but I am still wading through the settings to see what's there.

On the lines: yes, I mean the lines in the From/To/subject area. I would
like to do away with the lines via some sort of setting. But I may give
up on my decision to stick with the new version, after all. The lines
are just one issue. Is there some point to the lines, such as a more
desirable look and feel?

Because of some of the things that are new, at least new to me, I am
wondering whether Mozilla is going to combine Tbird with Firefox at some
future point. Now admittedly the last version I installed according to
my notes was 17.0. But that's according to my notes, and I may have
updated since then and not put it in my notes. If indeed the last one I
installed was 17.0, there might have been *21* intervening versions.

Guerri


On 4/14/2016 6:41 AM, Jim Hart wrote:
> If by those "lines" you mean the three or four emptly lines for the
> To: or Cc: addresses, that can easily be changed. Just click on the
> line below that area, i.e. on border between addresses and text area -
> then you can move it up or down as required..
>
> Can't help you with the addresses. I've allowed Tbird to upgrade each
> time and have never a problem with lost addresses. However whenever
> you receive an email there's a star next to the sender's address. If
> it's yellow it means it's in your address book; if it's not you can
> click on it to add it.
>
> Jim

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[Paul Keating]

Mozilla is unlikely to combine Thunderbird and Firefox; in fact it is
moving in the other direction.

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