PDA

View Full Version : [Dixonary] Round 2671: BARLA-FUMBLE Results


Daniel Widdis
December 31st, 2015, 11:15 AM
It seems our players are hungry.

The winner of round 2671 is Dick Weltz, whose savory Christmas pudding
earned 6 votes, with Steve Graham taking the real winner spot with 4
votes for his Jamaican dessert.

The true definition hails from the OED, and can also be spelled
barla-fummil. The first half of the word derives etymologically from
barley (parley), a much less obscure truce word used in children's games.

I earned a respectable D2, as only Tim Bourne and John Barrs guessed
right. John didn't actually know the woid but submitted a fake def
close enough to the real one that (a) I had to combine it and (b) my
choice to omit some of his words the combination clued him in to
guessing he was combined with the real one.

/Quhill he cryd barla fummyll, I am slane./

All yours, Dick.

*** BARLA-FUMBLE ***

1. a tall, tufted wild grass, /Hordeum cooperii/, of the US upper
Midwest and southern Canada; a frequent pasture invader, it is mildly
toxic to livestock. Also called "gripeweed".
No Votes
Submitted by: Schultz.

2. Scottish English; used dismissively in English by speakers of
Scottish Gaelic; [ < Gael. Béarla na hAlban, 'Scottish English']
Votes from: Hale, Lodge and Stevens
Submitted by: Keating, who scores natural 3.

3. a type of plant, growing to about a foot in height when mature,
that produces tiny burrs on multiform heads.
Vote from: Hale
Submitted by: Shepherdson, who scores natural 1.

4. A Jamaican dessert consisting of coconut, mango, breadfruit,
Jamaican plums and whipped cream.
Votes from: Hart, Mallach, Shefler and Weltz
Submitted by: Graham, who scores natural 4.

5. /sl./ a jumble of printers type, sometimes used for greeking. (see
/pi/ and /greeking/)
Vote from: Naylor
Submitted by: Cunningham, who scores natural 1.

6. to rub grain on stretched leather as a way of softening the texture
Votes from: Bourne and Madnick
Submitted by: Hale, who scores natural 2.

7. A call for a truce by one who has fallen in wrestling or play
Votes from: Barrs and Bourne
Real definition from OED
Submitted by: Barrs, who scores 1 + 2, total 3.

8. [Scot.] a savory Christmas pudding with a barley base
Votes from: Barrs, Cunningham, Graham, Hart, Schultz and Shefler
Submitted by: Weltz, who scores natural 6.

9. A small supporting beam or bar.
No Votes
Submitted by: Carson.

10. to becloud; to obscure
Vote from: Shepherdson
Submitted by: Madnick, who scores natural 1.

11. nonsense, gobbledegook.
Votes from: Cunningham, Keating and Weltz
Submitted by: Lodge, who scores natural 3.

12. an early form of conveyor for building hay ricks.
No Votes
Submitted by: Bourne, who scores 0 + 2, total 2.

13. a confection of honeycomb toffee made with barley water
Votes from: Graham, Kornelis and Mallach
Submitted by: Hart, who scores natural 3.

14. The accidental utterance of a different word from the one intended.
Vote from: Madnick
Submitted by: Abell, who scores natural 1.

15. In field hockey, a shot played with the reverse (rounded) end of the
hockey stick
Vote from: Stevens
Submitted by: Kornelis, who scores natural 1.

16. failure to catch a team-mate's throw in a dwarf-tossing contest
(<Turk. bärlad = dwarf).
No Votes
Submitted by: Shefler.

17. Slight movement of a cartoon character or object, indicated by
parenthesis-shaped lines on both sides.
Votes from: Naylor, Schultz and Shepherdson
Submitted by: Mallach, who scores natural 3.

18. In lacrosse, a maneuver in which a player passes the ball to his own
goalie who then passes it to another team member.
Vote from: Kornelis
Submitted by: Stevens, who scores natural 1.

19. A gin based cocktail popular during the British Raj period in India
[from a corruption of the Hindi phrase meaning "for Queen and country"]
Votes from: Keating and Lodge
Submitted by: Naylor, who scores natural 2.



Player Def Voted for Votes Guess DP Total
------ --- --------- ----- ----- -- -----
Weltz 8 4 & 11 6 6
Graham 4 8 & 13 4 4
Hart 13 4 & 8 3 3
Keating 2 11 & 19 3 3
Mallach 17 4 & 13 3 3
Lodge 11 2 & 19 3 3
Barrs 7 *7* & 8 1 2 3
Naylor 19 5 & 17 2 2
Hale 6 2 & 3 2 2
Bourne 12 6 & *7* 0 2 2
Madnick 10 6 & 14 1 1
Abell 14 N/V 1 1
Shepherdson 3 10 & 17 1 1
Stevens 18 2 & 15 1 1
Cunningham 5 8 & 11 1 1
Kornelis 15 13 & 18 1 1
Schultz 1 8 & 17 0 0
Carson 9 N/V 0 0
Shefler 16 4 & 8 0 0

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Dixonary" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to dixonary+unsubscribe (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Tim B
December 31st, 2015, 11:35 AM
-------- Original Message --------
>
> I earned a respectable D2, as only Tim Bourne and John Barrs guessed right.

When I was a kid we used "barley" as a way to ask for truce. There's a fascinating book, "The Lore
and Language of Schoolchildren", that explores this and other aspects of children's language; I seem
to recall that barley was used only in a few areas of England. I've never heard of the fumble part.

Best wishes,
Tim Bourne.

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Dixonary" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to dixonary+unsubscribe (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Hugo Kornelis
December 31st, 2015, 02:34 PM
After voting I looked up the word, and only then recognised the "Parlay"
term that is used so heavily in the Pirates of the Carribean movies...

Cheers,
Hugo

PS: I think Barrs should have only 1 point. My memory of the rules is
that you never get points for voting for your own def, even if it's
combined with the real def. Or is my memory wrong?


Op 31-12-2015 om 18:15 schreef Daniel Widdis:
> It seems our players are hungry.
>
> The winner of round 2671 is Dick Weltz, whose savory Christmas pudding
> earned 6 votes, with Steve Graham taking the real winner spot with 4
> votes for his Jamaican dessert.
>
> The true definition hails from the OED, and can also be spelled
> barla-fummil. The first half of the word derives etymologically from
> barley (parley), a much less obscure truce word used in children's games.
>
> I earned a respectable D2, as only Tim Bourne and John Barrs guessed
> right. John didn't actually know the woid but submitted a fake def
> close enough to the real one that (a) I had to combine it and (b) my
> choice to omit some of his words the combination clued him in to
> guessing he was combined with the real one.
>
> /Quhill he cryd barla fummyll, I am slane./
>
> All yours, Dick.
>
> *** BARLA-FUMBLE ***
>
> 1. a tall, tufted wild grass, /Hordeum cooperii/, of the US upper
> Midwest and southern Canada; a frequent pasture invader, it is mildly
> toxic to livestock. Also called "gripeweed".
> No Votes
> Submitted by: Schultz.
>
> 2. Scottish English; used dismissively in English by speakers of
> Scottish Gaelic; [ < Gael. Béarla na hAlban, 'Scottish English']
> Votes from: Hale, Lodge and Stevens
> Submitted by: Keating, who scores natural 3.
>
> 3. a type of plant, growing to about a foot in height when mature,
> that produces tiny burrs on multiform heads.
> Vote from: Hale
> Submitted by: Shepherdson, who scores natural 1.
>
> 4. A Jamaican dessert consisting of coconut, mango, breadfruit,
> Jamaican plums and whipped cream.
> Votes from: Hart, Mallach, Shefler and Weltz
> Submitted by: Graham, who scores natural 4.
>
> 5. /sl./ a jumble of printers type, sometimes used for greeking. (see
> /pi/ and /greeking/)
> Vote from: Naylor
> Submitted by: Cunningham, who scores natural 1.
>
> 6. to rub grain on stretched leather as a way of softening the texture
> Votes from: Bourne and Madnick
> Submitted by: Hale, who scores natural 2.
>
> 7. A call for a truce by one who has fallen in wrestling or play
> Votes from: Barrs and Bourne
> Real definition from OED
> Submitted by: Barrs, who scores 1 + 2, total 3.
>
> 8. [Scot.] a savory Christmas pudding with a barley base
> Votes from: Barrs, Cunningham, Graham, Hart, Schultz and Shefler
> Submitted by: Weltz, who scores natural 6.
>
> 9. A small supporting beam or bar.
> No Votes
> Submitted by: Carson.
>
> 10. to becloud; to obscure
> Vote from: Shepherdson
> Submitted by: Madnick, who scores natural 1.
>
> 11. nonsense, gobbledegook.
> Votes from: Cunningham, Keating and Weltz
> Submitted by: Lodge, who scores natural 3.
>
> 12. an early form of conveyor for building hay ricks.
> No Votes
> Submitted by: Bourne, who scores 0 + 2, total 2.
>
> 13. a confection of honeycomb toffee made with barley water
> Votes from: Graham, Kornelis and Mallach
> Submitted by: Hart, who scores natural 3.
>
> 14. The accidental utterance of a different word from the one intended.
> Vote from: Madnick
> Submitted by: Abell, who scores natural 1.
>
> 15. In field hockey, a shot played with the reverse (rounded) end of
> the hockey stick
> Vote from: Stevens
> Submitted by: Kornelis, who scores natural 1.
>
> 16. failure to catch a team-mate's throw in a dwarf-tossing contest
> (<Turk. bärlad = dwarf).
> No Votes
> Submitted by: Shefler.
>
> 17. Slight movement of a cartoon character or object, indicated by
> parenthesis-shaped lines on both sides.
> Votes from: Naylor, Schultz and Shepherdson
> Submitted by: Mallach, who scores natural 3.
>
> 18. In lacrosse, a maneuver in which a player passes the ball to his
> own goalie who then passes it to another team member.
> Vote from: Kornelis
> Submitted by: Stevens, who scores natural 1.
>
> 19. A gin based cocktail popular during the British Raj period in
> India [from a corruption of the Hindi phrase meaning "for Queen and
> country"]
> Votes from: Keating and Lodge
> Submitted by: Naylor, who scores natural 2.
>
>
>
> Player Def Voted for Votes Guess DP Total
> ------ --- --------- ----- ----- -- -----
> Weltz 8 4 & 11 6 6
> Graham 4 8 & 13 4 4
> Hart 13 4 & 8 3 3
> Keating 2 11 & 19 3 3
> Mallach 17 4 & 13 3 3
> Lodge 11 2 & 19 3 3
> Barrs 7 *7* & 8 1 2 3
> Naylor 19 5 & 17 2 2
> Hale 6 2 & 3 2 2
> Bourne 12 6 & *7* 0 2 2
> Madnick 10 6 & 14 1 1
> Abell 14 N/V 1 1
> Shepherdson 3 10 & 17 1 1
> Stevens 18 2 & 15 1 1
> Cunningham 5 8 & 11 1 1
> Kornelis 15 13 & 18 1 1
> Schultz 1 8 & 17 0 0
> Carson 9 N/V 0 0
> Shefler 16 4 & 8 0 0
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
> Groups "Dixonary" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send
> an email to dixonary+unsubscribe (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com
> <mailto:dixonary+unsubscribe (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com>.
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Dixonary" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to dixonary+unsubscribe (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Johnb - co.uk
December 31st, 2015, 02:46 PM
As a kid I read that people used "pax" for that kind of temporary hold
in a game. We however used "scrips"
Many years later I read a scholarly work about children's games and
rhymes in which I discovered that the use of "scrips" defines a fairly
tight group of villages (which includes the one in which I grew up)


*JohnnyB

*
On 12/31/2015 5:35 PM, Tim B wrote:
>
> When I was a kid we used "barley" as a way to ask for truce. There's a
> fascinating book, "The Lore and Language of Schoolchildren", that
> explores this and other aspects of children's language; I seem to
> recall that barley was used only in a few areas of England. I've never
> heard of the fumble part.
>

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Dixonary" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to dixonary+unsubscribe (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Johnb - co.uk
December 31st, 2015, 02:48 PM
Hugo

I questioned that and was told that coryphaeus handles it correctly

*JohnnyB*
On 12/31/2015 8:34 PM, Hugo Kornelis wrote:
> After voting I looked up the word, and only then recognised the
> "Parlay" term that is used so heavily in the Pirates of the Carribean
> movies...
>
> Cheers,
> Hugo
>
> PS: I think Barrs should have only 1 point. My memory of the rules is
> that you never get points for voting for your own def, even if it's
> combined with the real def. Or is my memory wrong?
>
>
> Op 31-12-2015 om 18:15 schreef Daniel Widdis:
>> It seems our players are hungry.
>>
>> The winner of round 2671 is Dick Weltz, whose savory Christmas
>> pudding earned 6 votes, with Steve Graham taking the real winner spot
>> with 4 votes for his Jamaican dessert.
>>
>> The true definition hails from the OED, and can also be spelled
>> barla-fummil. The first half of the word derives etymologically from
>> barley (parley), a much less obscure truce word used in children's games..
>>
>> I earned a respectable D2, as only Tim Bourne and John Barrs guessed
>> right. John didn't actually know the woid but submitted a fake def
>> close enough to the real one that (a) I had to combine it and (b) my
>> choice to omit some of his words the combination clued him in to
>> guessing he was combined with the real one.
>>
>> /Quhill he cryd barla fummyll, I am slane./
>>
>> All yours, Dick.
>>
>> *** BARLA-FUMBLE ***
>>
>> 1. a tall, tufted wild grass, /Hordeum cooperii/, of the US upper
>> Midwest and southern Canada; a frequent pasture invader, it is mildly
>> toxic to livestock. Also called "gripeweed".
>> No Votes
>> Submitted by: Schultz.
>>
>> 2. Scottish English; used dismissively in English by speakers of
>> Scottish Gaelic; [ < Gael. Béarla na hAlban, 'Scottish English']
>> Votes from: Hale, Lodge and Stevens
>> Submitted by: Keating, who scores natural 3.
>>
>> 3. a type of plant, growing to about a foot in height when mature,
>> that produces tiny burrs on multiform heads.
>> Vote from: Hale
>> Submitted by: Shepherdson, who scores natural 1.
>>
>> 4. A Jamaican dessert consisting of coconut, mango, breadfruit,
>> Jamaican plums and whipped cream.
>> Votes from: Hart, Mallach, Shefler and Weltz
>> Submitted by: Graham, who scores natural 4.
>>
>> 5. /sl./ a jumble of printers type, sometimes used for greeking.
>> (see /pi/ and /greeking/)
>> Vote from: Naylor
>> Submitted by: Cunningham, who scores natural 1.
>>
>> 6. to rub grain on stretched leather as a way of softening the texture
>> Votes from: Bourne and Madnick
>> Submitted by: Hale, who scores natural 2.
>>
>> 7. A call for a truce by one who has fallen in wrestling or play
>> Votes from: Barrs and Bourne
>> Real definition from OED
>> Submitted by: Barrs, who scores 1 + 2, total 3.
>>
>> 8. [Scot.] a savory Christmas pudding with a barley base
>> Votes from: Barrs, Cunningham, Graham, Hart, Schultz and Shefler
>> Submitted by: Weltz, who scores natural 6.
>>
>> 9. A small supporting beam or bar.
>> No Votes
>> Submitted by: Carson.
>>
>> 10. to becloud; to obscure
>> Vote from: Shepherdson
>> Submitted by: Madnick, who scores natural 1.
>>
>> 11. nonsense, gobbledegook.
>> Votes from: Cunningham, Keating and Weltz
>> Submitted by: Lodge, who scores natural 3.
>>
>> 12. an early form of conveyor for building hay ricks.
>> No Votes
>> Submitted by: Bourne, who scores 0 + 2, total 2.
>>
>> 13. a confection of honeycomb toffee made with barley water
>> Votes from: Graham, Kornelis and Mallach
>> Submitted by: Hart, who scores natural 3.
>>
>> 14. The accidental utterance of a different word from the one intended.
>> Vote from: Madnick
>> Submitted by: Abell, who scores natural 1.
>>
>> 15. In field hockey, a shot played with the reverse (rounded) end of
>> the hockey stick
>> Vote from: Stevens
>> Submitted by: Kornelis, who scores natural 1.
>>
>> 16. failure to catch a team-mate's throw in a dwarf-tossing contest
>> (<Turk. bärlad = dwarf).
>> No Votes
>> Submitted by: Shefler.
>>
>> 17. Slight movement of a cartoon character or object, indicated by
>> parenthesis-shaped lines on both sides.
>> Votes from: Naylor, Schultz and Shepherdson
>> Submitted by: Mallach, who scores natural 3.
>>
>> 18. In lacrosse, a maneuver in which a player passes the ball to his
>> own goalie who then passes it to another team member.
>> Vote from: Kornelis
>> Submitted by: Stevens, who scores natural 1.
>>
>> 19. A gin based cocktail popular during the British Raj period in
>> India [from a corruption of the Hindi phrase meaning "for Queen and
>> country"]
>> Votes from: Keating and Lodge
>> Submitted by: Naylor, who scores natural 2.
>>
>>
>>
>> Player Def Voted for Votes Guess DP Total
>> ------ --- --------- ----- ----- -- -----
>> Weltz 8 4 & 11 6 6
>> Graham 4 8 & 13 4 4
>> Hart 13 4 & 8 3 3
>> Keating 2 11 & 19 3 3
>> Mallach 17 4 & 13 3 3
>> Lodge 11 2 & 19 3 3
>> Barrs 7 *7* & 8 1 2 3
>> Naylor 19 5 & 17 2 2
>> Hale 6 2 & 3 2 2
>> Bourne 12 6 & *7* 0 2 2
>> Madnick 10 6 & 14 1 1
>> Abell 14 N/V 1 1
>> Shepherdson 3 10 & 17 1 1
>> Stevens 18 2 & 15 1 1
>> Cunningham 5 8 & 11 1 1
>> Kornelis 15 13 & 18 1 1
>> Schultz 1 8 & 17 0 0
>> Carson 9 N/V 0 0
>> Shefler 16 4 & 8 0 0
>>
>> --
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
>> Groups "Dixonary" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,
>> send an email to dixonary+unsubscribe (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com
>> <mailto:dixonary+unsubscribe (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com>.
>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
> Groups "Dixonary" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send
> an email to dixonary+unsubscribe (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com
> <mailto:dixonary+unsubscribe (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com>.
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Dixonary" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to dixonary+unsubscribe (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Tony Abell
December 31st, 2015, 03:23 PM
The way I interpret the results, your definition was combined with the real one.
You then voted for your own definition (the one combined with the real one).

Section 4 (c) of da rules states:

(c) If the dealer is confronted with two definitions very close to
one another, the dealer may in her or his discretion combine
them.

(1) If one (or any) of those definitions is the true definition
of The Word, any votes for the combined definition result in
a point for the fictitious definition, and two points for
the voter, except that the author of the fictitious defini-
tion gets no points for voting for the combined definition.

I need clarification on how Coryphaeus is handling this correctly. Seems to me
you should not get two points for voting for the correct definition because it was
also your own submitted definition.

------------------------------------------
On 2015-12-31 at 15:48 Johnb - co.uk wrote:

> Hugo

> I questioned that and was told that coryphaeusÂ* handles it correctly


> JohnnyB
> On 12/31/2015 8:34 PM, Hugo Kornelis wrote:
>
>
> After voting I looked up the word, and only then recognised the "Parlay"
> term that is used so heavily in the Pirates of the Carribean movies...

> Cheers,
> Hugo

> PS: I think Barrs should have only 1 point. My memory of the rules is
> that you never get points for voting for your own def, even if it's
> combined with the real def. Or is my memory wrong?


> Op 31-12-2015 om 18:15 schreef Daniel Widdis:

> It seems our players are hungry.

> The winner of round 2671 is Dick Weltz, whose savory Christmas pudding
> earned 6 votes, with Steve Graham taking the real winner spot with 4 votes for his Jamaican dessert.

> The true definition hails from the OED, and can also be spelled
> barla-fummil.Â* The first half of the word derives etymologically from
> barley (parley), a much less obscure truce word used in children's games.

> I earned a respectable D2, as only Tim Bourne and John Barrs guessed
> right.Â* John didn't actually know the woid but submitted a fake def
> close enough to the real one that (a) I had to combine it and (b) my
> choice to omit some of his words the combination clued him in to
> guessing he was combined with the real one.Â*

> Quhill he cryd barla fummyll, I am slane.

> All yours, Dick.

> *** BARLA-FUMBLE ***

> Â*1. a tall, tufted wild grass, Hordeum cooperii, of the US upper
> Midwest and southern Canada; a frequent pasture invader, it is mildly
> toxic to livestock. Also called "gripeweed".
> Â*Â*Â* No Votes
> Â*Â*Â* Submitted by: Schultz.

> Â*2. Scottish English; used dismissively in English by speakers of
> Scottish Gaelic; [ < Gael. Béarla na hAlban, 'Scottish English']
> Â*Â*Â* Votes from:Â*Â* Hale, Lodge and Stevens
> Â*Â*Â* Submitted by: Keating, who scores natural 3.

> Â*3. a type of plant, growing to about a foot in height when mature,
> that produces tiny burrs on multiform heads.
> Â*Â*Â* Vote from:Â*Â*Â* Hale
> Â*Â*Â* Submitted by: Shepherdson, who scores natural 1.

> Â*4. A Jamaican dessert consisting of coconut, mango, breadfruit, Jamaican plums and whipped cream.
> Â*Â*Â* Votes from:Â*Â* Hart, Mallach, Shefler and Weltz
> Â*Â*Â* Submitted by: Graham, who scores natural 4.

> Â*5. sl.a jumble of printers type, sometimes used for greeking. (see piand greeking)
> Â*Â*Â* Vote from:Â*Â*Â* Naylor
> Â*Â*Â* Submitted by: Cunningham, who scores natural 1.

> Â*6. to rub grain on stretched leather as a way of softening the texture
> Â*Â*Â* Votes from:Â*Â* Bourne and Madnick
> Â*Â*Â* Submitted by: Hale, who scores natural 2.

> Â*7. A call for a truce by one who has fallen in wrestling or play
> Â*Â*Â* Votes from:Â*Â* Barrs and Bourne
> Â*Â*Â* Real definition from OED
> Â*Â*Â* Submitted by: Barrs, who scores 1 + 2, total 3.

> Â*8. [Scot.] a savory Christmas pudding with a barley base
> Â*Â*Â* Votes from:Â*Â* Barrs, Cunningham, Graham, Hart, Schultz and Shefler
> Â*Â*Â* Submitted by: Weltz, who scores natural 6.

> Â*9. A small supporting beam or bar.
> Â*Â*Â* No Votes
> Â*Â*Â* Submitted by: Carson.

> 10. to becloud; to obscure
> Â*Â*Â* Vote from:Â*Â*Â* Shepherdson
> Â*Â*Â* Submitted by: Madnick, who scores natural 1.

> 11. nonsense, gobbledegook.
> Â*Â*Â* Votes from:Â*Â* Cunningham, Keating and Weltz
> Â*Â*Â* Submitted by: Lodge, who scores natural 3.

> 12. an early form of conveyor for building hay ricks.
> Â*Â*Â* No Votes
> Â*Â*Â* Submitted by: Bourne, who scores 0 + 2, total 2.

> 13. a confection of honeycomb toffee made with barley water
> Â*Â*Â* Votes from:Â*Â* Graham, Kornelis and Mallach
> Â*Â*Â* Submitted by: Hart, who scores natural 3.

> 14. The accidental utterance of a different word from the one intended.
> Â*Â*Â* Vote from:Â*Â*Â* Madnick
> Â*Â*Â* Submitted by: Abell, who scores natural 1.

> 15. In field hockey, a shot played with the reverse (rounded) end of the hockey stick
> Â*Â*Â* Vote from:Â*Â*Â* Stevens
> Â*Â*Â* Submitted by: Kornelis, who scores natural 1.

> 16. failure to catch a team-mate's throw in a dwarf-tossing contest (<Turk. bärlad = dwarf).
> Â*Â*Â* No Votes
> Â*Â*Â* Submitted by: Shefler.

> 17. Slight movement of a cartoon character or object, indicated by
> parenthesis-shaped lines on both sides.
> Â*Â*Â* Votes from:Â*Â* Naylor, Schultz and Shepherdson
> Â*Â*Â* Submitted by: Mallach, who scores natural 3.

> 18. In lacrosse, a maneuver in which a player passes the ball to his
> own goalie who then passes it to another team member.
> Â*Â*Â* Vote from:Â*Â*Â* Kornelis
> Â*Â*Â* Submitted by: Stevens, who scores natural 1.

> 19. A gin based cocktail popular during the British Raj period in India
> [from a corruption of the Hindi phrase meaning "for Queen and country"]
> Â*Â*Â* Votes from:Â*Â* Keating and Lodge
> Â*Â*Â* Submitted by: Naylor, who scores natural 2.



> Â*Â*Â* PlayerÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Def Voted for Votes Guess DP Total
> Â*Â*Â* ------Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* --- --------- ----- ----- -- -----
> Â*Â*Â* WeltzÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 8Â*Â*Â* 4 & 11Â*Â*Â*Â* 6Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 6
> Â*Â*Â* GrahamÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 4Â*Â*Â* 8 & 13Â*Â*Â*Â* 4Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 4
> Â*Â*Â* HartÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 13Â*Â*Â*Â* 4 & 8Â*Â*Â*Â* 3Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 3
> Â*Â*Â* KeatingÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 2Â*Â* 11 & 19Â*Â*Â*Â* 3Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 3
> Â*Â*Â* MallachÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 17Â*Â*Â* 4 & 13Â*Â*Â*Â* 3Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 3
> Â*Â*Â* LodgeÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 11Â*Â*Â* 2 & 19Â*Â*Â*Â* 3Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 3
> Â*Â*Â* BarrsÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 7Â*Â* *7* & 8Â*Â*Â*Â* 1Â*Â*Â*Â* 2Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 3
> Â*Â*Â* NaylorÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 19Â*Â*Â* 5 & 17Â*Â*Â*Â* 2Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 2
> Â*Â*Â* HaleÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 6Â*Â*Â*Â* 2 & 3Â*Â*Â*Â* 2Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 2
> Â*Â*Â* BourneÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 12Â*Â* 6 & *7*Â*Â*Â*Â* 0Â*Â*Â*Â* 2Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 2
> Â*Â*Â* MadnickÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 10Â*Â*Â* 6 & 14Â*Â*Â*Â* 1Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 1
> Â*Â*Â* AbellÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 14Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* N/VÂ*Â*Â*Â* 1Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 1
> Â*Â*Â* ShepherdsonÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* 3Â*Â* 10 & 17Â*Â*Â*Â* 1Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 1
> Â*Â*Â* StevensÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 18Â*Â*Â* 2 & 15Â*Â*Â*Â* 1Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 1
> Â*Â*Â* CunninghamÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 5Â*Â*Â* 8 & 11Â*Â*Â*Â* 1Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 1
> Â*Â*Â* KornelisÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 15Â*Â* 13 & 18Â*Â*Â*Â* 1Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 1
> Â*Â*Â* SchultzÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 1Â*Â*Â* 8 & 17Â*Â*Â*Â* 0Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 0
> Â*Â*Â* CarsonÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 9Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* N/VÂ*Â*Â*Â* 0Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 0
> Â*Â*Â* SheflerÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 16Â*Â*Â*Â* 4 & 8Â*Â*Â*Â* 0Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 0

> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Dixonary" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send
> an email to dixonary+unsubscribe (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com.
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Dixonary" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to dixonary+unsubscribe (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Daniel Widdis
December 31st, 2015, 03:26 PM
That was an assumption, as the software's author is also our de facto
expert on the rules. However, rereading, I'm wondering if I assumed
wrongly.

Here are the rules (8 in the real rules, with combined def rules from
rule 4 in the original).

8. Scoring follows:
(a) For each vote an uncombined definition receives, the dealer awards
one point to its author. 8(b)(1)
(b) For each vote a combined definition receives, the dealer awards
one point to each contributing author. 4(c)(1), 4(c)(2)
(c) The dealer awards two points to each player who votes for the
dictionary definition, or a combined definition that incorporates it.
Provided always that the author of a definition, or a contributor to a
combined definition, never receives points for voting for it. 8(b)(1),
4(c)(1), 4(c)(2)

The phrase "never receives points for voting for [their own definition]"
seems to clearly disallow the 2 points. And the "Real Rules"
specifically state (based on precedent) "A player whose definition has
been combined with the dictionary definition receives no points beyond
what is provided for in Rule 8(b)." So, it appears Mr. Barrs should
only get the 1 point for Tim's vote.

As the rules say, "The 1990 rules for scoring combined definitions are
cumbrous and disorganized. Some players think them vague (1631); a few
even think they yield an interpretation different from the one given
above. But this interpretation has the unanimous support of longstanding
players." So I'll go with that.

Of note, the Real Rules observes, "This may have the effect of a
penalty. A few players think that this is sufficient reason for the
dealer never to combine a submission with spite Rule 3(a) which plainly
permits it." Comparing the definitions, I think I had no choice but to
combine them:

OED: A call for a truce by one who has fallen in wrestling or play

JohnB: a call for a parley or time-out in a children's game

I suppose I could have hoped that John knew of the penalty and steered
away from his own (combined) def.... :)


On 12/31/15 12:48 PM, Johnb - co.uk wrote:
> Hugo
>
> I questioned that and was told that coryphaeus handles it correctly
>
> *JohnnyB*
> On 12/31/2015 8:34 PM, Hugo Kornelis wrote:
>> After voting I looked up the word, and only then recognised the
>> "Parlay" term that is used so heavily in the Pirates of the Carribean
>> movies...
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Hugo
>>
>> PS: I think Barrs should have only 1 point. My memory of the rules is
>> that you never get points for voting for your own def, even if it's
>> combined with the real def. Or is my memory wrong?
>>
>>

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Dixonary" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to dixonary+unsubscribe (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Johnb - co.uk
December 31st, 2015, 03:32 PM
precisely - that is what I thought when I questioned what would happen -
I should get 1 point for any who vote for it (from Tim B in this case)

FYI - I decided to see what would happen. I don't have coryphaeus and
trying to d/l it one is led from dixonary.net to yahoogroups -- the
link leads to a blank page so I never did get to test it

*JohnnyB

*
On 12/31/2015 9:23 PM, Tony Abell wrote:
> The way I interpret the results, your definition was combined with the real one.
> You then voted for your own definition (the one combined with the real one).
>
> Section 4 (c) of da rules states:
>
> (c) If the dealer is confronted with two definitions very close to
> one another, the dealer may in her or his discretion combine
> them.
>
> (1) If one (or any) of those definitions is the true definition
> of The Word, any votes for the combined definition result in
> a point for the fictitious definition, and two points for
> the voter, except that the author of the fictitious defini-
> tion gets no points for voting for the combined definition.
>
> I need clarification on how Coryphaeus is handling this correctly. Seems to me
> you should not get two points for voting for the correct definition because it was
> also your own submitted definition.
>
> ------------------------------------------
> On 2015-12-31 at 15:48 Johnb - co.uk wrote:
>
>> Hugo
>> I questioned that and was told that coryphaeus handles it correctly
>
>> JohnnyB
>> On 12/31/2015 8:34 PM, Hugo Kornelis wrote:
>>
>>
>> After voting I looked up the word, and only then recognised the "Parlay"
>> term that is used so heavily in the Pirates of the Carribean movies...
>> Cheers,
>> Hugo
>> PS: I think Barrs should have only 1 point. My memory of the rules is
>> that you never get points for voting for your own def, even if it's
>> combined with the real def. Or is my memory wrong?
>
>> Op 31-12-2015 om 18:15 schreef Daniel Widdis:
>> It seems our players are hungry.
>> The winner of round 2671 is Dick Weltz, whose savory Christmas pudding
>> earned 6 votes, with Steve Graham taking the real winner spot with 4 votes for his Jamaican dessert.
>> The true definition hails from the OED, and can also be spelled
>> barla-fummil. The first half of the word derives etymologically from
>> barley (parley), a much less obscure truce word used in children's games.
>> I earned a respectable D2, as only Tim Bourne and John Barrs guessed
>> right. John didn't actually know the woid but submitted a fake def
>> close enough to the real one that (a) I had to combine it and (b) my
>> choice to omit some of his words the combination clued him in to
>> guessing he was combined with the real one.
>> Quhill he cryd barla fummyll, I am slane.
>> All yours, Dick.
>> *** BARLA-FUMBLE ***
>> 1. a tall, tufted wild grass, Hordeum cooperii, of the US upper
>> Midwest and southern Canada; a frequent pasture invader, it is mildly
>> toxic to livestock. Also called "gripeweed".
>> No Votes
>> Submitted by: Schultz.
>> 2. Scottish English; used dismissively in English by speakers of
>> Scottish Gaelic; [ < Gael. Béarla na hAlban, 'Scottish English']
>> Votes from: Hale, Lodge and Stevens
>> Submitted by: Keating, who scores natural 3.
>> 3. a type of plant, growing to about a foot in height when mature,
>> that produces tiny burrs on multiform heads.
>> Vote from: Hale
>> Submitted by: Shepherdson, who scores natural 1.
>> 4. A Jamaican dessert consisting of coconut, mango, breadfruit, Jamaican plums and whipped cream.
>> Votes from: Hart, Mallach, Shefler and Weltz
>> Submitted by: Graham, who scores natural 4.
>> 5. sl.a jumble of printers type, sometimes used for greeking. (see piand greeking)
>> Vote from: Naylor
>> Submitted by: Cunningham, who scores natural 1.
>> 6. to rub grain on stretched leather as a way of softening the texture
>> Votes from: Bourne and Madnick
>> Submitted by: Hale, who scores natural 2.
>> 7. A call for a truce by one who has fallen in wrestling or play
>> Votes from: Barrs and Bourne
>> Real definition from OED
>> Submitted by: Barrs, who scores 1 + 2, total 3.
>> 8. [Scot.] a savory Christmas pudding with a barley base
>> Votes from: Barrs, Cunningham, Graham, Hart, Schultz and Shefler
>> Submitted by: Weltz, who scores natural 6.
>> 9. A small supporting beam or bar.
>> No Votes
>> Submitted by: Carson.
>> 10. to becloud; to obscure
>> Vote from: Shepherdson
>> Submitted by: Madnick, who scores natural 1.
>> 11. nonsense, gobbledegook.
>> Votes from: Cunningham, Keating and Weltz
>> Submitted by: Lodge, who scores natural 3.
>> 12. an early form of conveyor for building hay ricks.
>> No Votes
>> Submitted by: Bourne, who scores 0 + 2, total 2.
>> 13. a confection of honeycomb toffee made with barley water
>> Votes from: Graham, Kornelis and Mallach
>> Submitted by: Hart, who scores natural 3.
>> 14. The accidental utterance of a different word from the one intended.
>> Vote from: Madnick
>> Submitted by: Abell, who scores natural 1.
>> 15. In field hockey, a shot played with the reverse (rounded) end of the hockey stick
>> Vote from: Stevens
>> Submitted by: Kornelis, who scores natural 1.
>> 16. failure to catch a team-mate's throw in a dwarf-tossing contest (<Turk. bärlad = dwarf).
>> No Votes
>> Submitted by: Shefler.
>> 17. Slight movement of a cartoon character or object, indicated by
>> parenthesis-shaped lines on both sides.
>> Votes from: Naylor, Schultz and Shepherdson
>> Submitted by: Mallach, who scores natural 3.
>> 18. In lacrosse, a maneuver in which a player passes the ball to his
>> own goalie who then passes it to another team member.
>> Vote from: Kornelis
>> Submitted by: Stevens, who scores natural 1.
>> 19. A gin based cocktail popular during the British Raj period in India
>> [from a corruption of the Hindi phrase meaning "for Queen and country"]
>> Votes from: Keating and Lodge
>> Submitted by: Naylor, who scores natural 2.
>
>
>> Player Def Voted for Votes Guess DP Total
>> ------ --- --------- ----- ----- -- -----
>> Weltz 8 4 & 11 6 6
>> Graham 4 8 & 13 4 4
>> Hart 13 4 & 8 3 3
>> Keating 2 11 & 19 3 3
>> Mallach 17 4 & 13 3 3
>> Lodge 11 2 & 19 3 3
>> Barrs 7 *7* & 8 1 2 3
>> Naylor 19 5 & 17 2 2
>> Hale 6 2 & 3 2 2
>> Bourne 12 6 & *7* 0 2 2
>> Madnick 10 6 & 14 1 1
>> Abell 14 N/V 1 1
>> Shepherdson 3 10 & 17 1 1
>> Stevens 18 2 & 15 1 1
>> Cunningham 5 8 & 11 1 1
>> Kornelis 15 13 & 18 1 1
>> Schultz 1 8 & 17 0 0
>> Carson 9 N/V 0 0
>> Shefler 16 4 & 8 0 0
>> --
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Dixonary" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send
>> an email to dixonary+unsubscribe (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com.
>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Dixonary" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to dixonary+unsubscribe (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Jim Hart
December 31st, 2015, 03:50 PM
Barley - in the sense of time out - was reasonably common in my childhood,
so I mildly admonished myself for not seeing a plausible connection with
this word. This meaning seems to be not unlike the (mostly American) phrase
to cry uncle which I met only about 10 years ago.

Jim


--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Dixonary" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to dixonary+unsubscribe (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Daniel Widdis
December 31st, 2015, 04:15 PM
Comments on this thread are enlightening about the variety of words used:

http://virtuallinguist.typepad.com/the_virtual_linguist/2009/07/barley-and-other-childrens-truce-words.html

On 12/31/15 1:50 PM, Jim Hart wrote:
> Barley - in the sense of time out - was reasonably common in my
> childhood, so I mildly admonished myself for not seeing a plausible
> connection with this word. This meaning seems to be not unlike the
> (mostly American) phrase to cry uncle which I met only about 10 years ago.
>
> Jim
>

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Dixonary" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to dixonary+unsubscribe (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Dodi Schultz
December 31st, 2015, 05:04 PM
Also, no one ever gets points for voting for his or her own definition, right?

Surely Johnny recognized his own def, even in combination? I.e., he knew it was his own def combined with another, even though he may not have known that other was the real one.

—Dodi


=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=


On 12/31/2015 4:23 PM, Tony Abell wrote:




The way I interpret the results, your definition was combined with the real one. You then voted for your own definition (the one combined with the real one). Section 4 (c) of da rules states: (c) If the dealer is confronted with two definitions very close to one another, the dealer may in her or his discretion combine them. (1) If one (or any) of those definitions is the true definition of The Word, any votes for the combined definition result in a point for the fictitious definition, and two points for the voter, except that the author of the fictitious defini- tion gets no points for voting for the combined definition. I need clarification on how Coryphaeus is handling this correctly. Seems to me you should not get two points for voting for the correct definition because it was also your own submitted definition.


=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=


On 2015-12-31 at 15:48 Johnb - co.uk wrote:



Hugo







I questioned that and was told that coryphaeus&nbsp; handles it correctly







JohnnyB


=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=


On 12/31/2015 8:34 PM, Hugo Kornelis wrote: After voting I looked up the word, and only then recognised the "Parlay" term that is used so heavily in the Pirates of the Carribean movies...







Cheers, Hugo







PS: I think Barrs should have only 1 point. My memory of the rules is that you never get points for voting for your own def, even if it's combined with the real def. Or is my memory wrong?










--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &quot;Dixonary&quot; group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to dixonary+unsubscribe (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com (mailto:dixonary+unsubscribe (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com).
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.