[Dixonary] Round 2611 - RESULTS - ADUNC

[Judy Madnick]

Everyone who submitted a definition has voted, so I'm sending the results now.

This is becoming a bad habit. My definition received the most votes <sigh>. However, since that's not the point of Dixonary (thank goodness!), Dick Weltz, with 8 points, is the next dealer. Here are the results in table form. I was able to test it in Gmail and Yahoo! mail, and although you may have to drag the scroll bar, it seems to work. I reduced the font size to see if that helps. If you hate the format, I promise I won't use it again. But this is how I manage an entire round, so if it's possible to use it to provide results, I would be most appreciative.

ADUNC-2611
DefinitionSubmitted by:Votes from...VotesVoted for...Total
1. A feature or part of a device whose purpose is not clear.Tim BourneWiddis1310*3
2. A legal state in which ownership of a tangible asset has been sold but the buyer does not yet have possession of the asset.Efrem Mallach 03160
3. A relative, guardian or teacher appointed to make decisions for a minor at a boarding school.Mike SheflerBourne, Mallach210*164
4. A servant or attendant, especially of a scholar or doctor.Shani NaylorLodge110*143
5. A verse consisting of a dactyl and spondee.Dan WiddisGraham, Hart210*14
6. Alternate name for blue-green algae.Steve Graham 05160
7. B or D? [a cryptic crossword special clue and can relate to any trailing letter: literally Latin "towards but not the letter C"] .Johnny Barrs 010*172
8. Back-lit; seen in silhouette.Keith Hale 011150
9. Generally in stock (acronym: available for delivery under normal circumstances).Jim HartWeltz15171
10. Hooked; curved inward.www.collinsdictionary.comBarrs, Weltz, Bourne, Widdis, Shefler, Abell, Schultz, Naylor, Carson, Keating10 10
11. Merely mechanical; routine.Chris CarsonHale, Stevens210*174
12. The excess of mixed concrete over what has been poured to fill a mold.Tony Abell 010*172
13. To anoint.Paul KeatingSchultz110*163
14. Thus; in such a manner.Tim LodgeNaylor14161
15. Unwilling to take either of two diametrically opposite actions.Guerri StevensHale111161
16. [leg.] Until the cited time.Dick WeltzKeating, Graham, Lodge, Shefler, Mallach, Stevens6910*8
17. _Zool._ toward the claws or talons.Dodi SchultzBarrs, Abell, Hart, Carson410*136

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[Judy Madnick]

Interestingly, in Google Groups, the lines separating the columns and rows
have disappeared.

Judy

On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 5:54:03 PM UTC-4, Judy Madnick wrote:
>
> Everyone who submitted a definition has voted, so I'm sending the
> results now.
>
> This is becoming a bad habit. My definition received the most
> votes <sigh>. However, since that's not the point of Dixonary (thank
> goodness!), *Dick Weltz, with 8 points, is the next dealer. *Here are the
> results in table form. I was able to test it in Gmail and Yahoo! mail, and
> although you may have to drag the scroll bar, it seems to work. I reduced
> the font size to see if that helps. If you hate the format, I promise I
> won't use it again. But this is how I manage an entire round, so if it's
> possible to use it to provide results, I would be most appreciative.
>
>
> *ADUNC-2611*
>
> * Definition*
>
> * Submitted by:*
>
> * Votes from...*
>
> * Votes*
>
> * Voted for...*
>
> * Total*
>
> 1. A feature or part of a device whose purpose is not clear.
>
> Tim Bourne
>
> Widdis
>
> 1
>
> 3
>
> 10*
>
> 3
>
> 2. A legal state in which ownership of a tangible asset has been sold but
> the buyer does not yet have possession of the asset.
>
> Efrem Mallach
>
> 0
>
> 3
>
> 16
>
> 0
>
> 3. A relative, guardian or teacher appointed to make decisions for a minor
> at a boarding school.
>
> Mike Shefler
>
> Bourne, Mallach
>
> 2
>
> 10*
>
> 16
>
> 4
>
> 4. A servant or attendant, especially of a scholar or doctor.
>
> Shani Naylor
>
> Lodge
>
> 1
>
> 10*
>
> 14
>
> 3
>
> 5. A verse consisting of a dactyl and spondee.
>
> Dan Widdis
>
> Graham, Hart
>
> 2
>
> 10*
>
> 1
>
> 4
>
> 6. Alternate name for blue-green algae.
>
> Steve Graham
>
> 0
>
> 5
>
> 16
>
> 0
>
> 7. B or D? [a cryptic crossword special clue and can relate to any
> trailing letter: literally Latin "towards but not the letter C"] .
>
> Johnny Barrs
>
> 0
>
> 10*
>
> 17
>
> 2
>
> 8. Back-lit; seen in silhouette.
>
> Keith Hale
>
> 0
>
> 11
>
> 15
>
> 0
>
> 9. Generally in stock (acronym: available for delivery under normal
> circumstances).
>
> Jim Hart
>
> Weltz
>
> 1
>
> 5
>
> 17
>
> 1
>
> 10. Hooked; curved inward.
>
> www.collinsdictionary.com
>
> Barrs, Weltz, Bourne, Widdis, Shefler, Abell, Schultz, Naylor, Carson,
> Keating
>
> 10
>
> 10
>
> 11. Merely mechanical; routine.
>
> Chris Carson
>
> Hale, Stevens
>
> 2
>
> 10*
>
> 17
>
> 4
>
> 12. The excess of mixed concrete over what has been poured to fill a mold.
>
> Tony Abell
>
> 0
>
> 10*
>
> 17
>
> 2
>
> 13. To anoint.
>
> Paul Keating
>
> Schultz
>
> 1
>
> 10*
>
> 16
>
> 3
>
> 14. Thus; in such a manner.
>
> Tim Lodge
>
> Naylor
>
> 1
>
> 4
>
> 16
>
> 1
>
> 15. Unwilling to take either of two diametrically opposite actions.
>
> Guerri Stevens
>
> Hale
>
> 1
>
> 11
>
> 16
>
> 1
>
> 16. [leg.] Until the cited time.
>
> Dick Weltz
>
> Keating, Graham, Lodge, Shefler, Mallach, Stevens
>
> 6
>
> 9
>
> 10*
>
> 8
>
> 17. _Zool._ toward the claws or talons.
>
> Dodi Schultz
>
> Barrs, Abell, Hart, Carson
>
> 4
>
> 10*
>
> 13
>
> 6
>

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[Shani Naylor]

Thanks Judy
This is fine for me if it works for you.

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[Efrem Mallach]

They looked fine north of the equator, too. Not even upside-down or anything.

Efrem

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> Thanks Judy
> This is fine for me if it works for you.
>
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[Christopher Carson]

Very nice table. I, for one, really like the format - neat, clean, and easy to read.

Chris

Sent from my iPad

> On May 27, 2015, at 5:54 PM, Judy Madnick <jmadnick (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
>
> Everyone who submitted a definition has voted, so I'm sending the results now.
>
> This is becoming a bad habit. My definition received the most votes <sigh>. However, since that's not the point of Dixonary (thank goodness!), Dick Weltz, with 8 points, is the next dealer. Here are the results in table form. I was able to test it in Gmail and Yahoo! mail, and although you may have to drag the scroll bar, it seems to work. I reduced the font size to see if that helps. If you hate the format, I promise I won't use it again. But this is how I manage an entire round, so if it's possible to use it to provide results, I would be most appreciative.
>
> ADUNC-2611
>
> Definition
>
> Submitted by:
>
> Votes from...
>
> Votes
>
> Voted for...
>
> Total
>
> 1. A feature or part of a device whose purpose is not clear.
>
> Tim Bourne
>
> Widdis
>
> 1
>
> 3
>
> 10*
>
> 3
>
> 2. A legal state in which ownership of a tangible asset has been sold but the buyer does not yet have possession of the asset.
>
> Efrem Mallach
>
> 　
> 0
>
> 3
>
> 16
>
> 0
>
> 3. A relative, guardian or teacher appointed to make decisions for a minor at a boarding school.
>
> Mike Shefler
>
> Bourne, Mallach
>
> 2
>
> 10*
>
> 16
>
> 4
>
> 4. A servant or attendant, especially of a scholar or doctor.
>
> Shani Naylor
>
> Lodge
>
> 1
>
> 10*
>
> 14
>
> 3
>
> 5. A verse consisting of a dactyl and spondee.
>
> Dan Widdis
>
> Graham, Hart
>
> 2
>
> 10*
>
> 1
>
> 4
>
> 6. Alternate name for blue-green algae.
>
> Steve Graham
>
> 　
> 0
>
> 5
>
> 16
>
> 0
>
> 7. B or D? [a cryptic crossword special clue and can relate to any trailing letter: literally Latin "towards but not the letter C"] .
>
> Johnny Barrs
>
> 　
> 0
>
> 10*
>
> 17
>
> 2
>
> 8. Back-lit; seen in silhouette.
>
> Keith Hale
>
> 　
> 0
>
> 11
>
> 15
>
> 0
>
> 9. Generally in stock (acronym: available for delivery under normal circumstances).
>
> Jim Hart
>
> Weltz
>
> 1
>
> 5
>
> 17
>
> 1
>
> 10. Hooked; curved inward.
>
> www.collinsdictionary.com
>
> Barrs, Weltz, Bourne, Widdis, Shefler, Abell, Schultz, Naylor, Carson, Keating
>
> 10
>
> 　 　
> 10
>
> 11. Merely mechanical; routine.
>
> Chris Carson
>
> Hale, Stevens
>
> 2
>
> 10*
>
> 17
>
> 4
>
> 12. The excess of mixed concrete over what has been poured to fill a mold..
>
> Tony Abell
>
> 　
> 0
>
> 10*
>
> 17
>
> 2
>
> 13. To anoint.
>
> Paul Keating
>
> Schultz
>
> 1
>
> 10*
>
> 16
>
> 3
>
> 14. Thus; in such a manner.
>
> Tim Lodge
>
> Naylor
>
> 1
>
> 4
>
> 16
>
> 1
>
> 15. Unwilling to take either of two diametrically opposite actions.
>
> Guerri Stevens
>
> Hale
>
> 1
>
> 11
>
> 16
>
> 1
>
> 16. [leg.] Until the cited time.
>
> Dick Weltz
>
> Keating, Graham, Lodge, Shefler, Mallach, Stevens
>
> 6
>
> 9
>
> 10*
>
> 8
>
> 17. _Zool._ toward the claws or talons.
>
> Dodi Schultz
>
> Barrs, Abell, Hart, Carson
>
> 4
>
> 10*
>
> 13
>
> 6
>
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[Judy Madnick]

Thanks, Shani, Efrem, and Chris.

Judy

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[Jim Hart]

No problem at all with the table. Then again, I've had no complaint with
any other format either.

Jim


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[Daniel Widdis]

The results scrolled off my screen in "preview" mode in Tbird, without a
horizontal scroll. I had to double-click on your message to read the
whole thing.

If my finger gets carpal tunnel from those extra two clicks, I'll blame
you. Just don't deal very often, and it's good. ;)

On 5/27/15 2:53 PM, Judy Madnick wrote:
> If you hate the format, I promise I won't use it again.

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[JohnB]

Judy

it looks nice and clean but TB doesn't see it as a "table" - that is an
object with moveable row and column borders - therefore it takes
several click to see a row even in full screen and then the same number
of clicks back again to see the next row which in turn means that I
cannot get a clear overview understanding of what is happening

Having said that, it isn't a great deal of hassle to copy and paste it
into a word processor (where it is recognised as a "table") and I can
adjust columns or turn it into text or whatever and post it back to myself

The problem re the identification as a "table" in TB maybe a TB problem
(wotjer think Dan?) in fact it looks like it is becasue tables pasted
from other wordprocessors also do not have moveable borders in TB - a
bit more research and I will post a Bug to Softmaker


*JohnnyB*

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[Guerri Stevens]

I'll come right out and say I hate the format. I didn't even bother to
try to read it. I would have to do a LOT of scrolling. There's a lot of
white space, as it appears in my setup, anyway.

I have a suggestion though: there are several more or less automated
dealing programs. Have you tried any of them?

A second suggestion: I don't know whether you can do this or not in the
Google group, but could you deliver the results as an attachment? I mean
send your WordPerfect file as an attachment. Probably everyone has a way
to read the file with software that will translate it.



Guerri


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[Judy Madnick]

[Judy Madnick]

Dan, I hope you don't mind, but I can't worry about an extra two clicks. LOL! Fortunately (for me and for everyone else) I don't deal very often. (Famous last words -- I hope I don't "eat" them!).

Judy



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From: "Daniel Widdis" <widdis (AT) dixonary (DOT) net>
To: dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com;
Dated: 5/28/2015 12:54:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Round 2611 - RESULTS - ADUNC

The results scrolled off my screen in "preview" mode in Tbird, without a horizontal scroll.? I had to double-click on your message to read the whole thing.

If my finger gets carpal tunnel from those extra two clicks, I'll blame you.? Just don't deal very often, and it's good. ;)


On 5/27/15 2:53 PM, Judy Madnick wrote:

?If you hate the format, I promise I won't use it again.




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[Judy Madnick]

Johnny,

Are you saying that that's (possibly) a bug in TB?

Judy



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Dated: 5/28/2015 5:10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Round 2611 - RESULTS - ADUNC

Judy

it looks nice and clean but TB doesn't see it as a "table"? - that is an object with moveable? row and column borders? - therefore it takes several click to see a row even in full screen and then the same number of clicks back again to see the next row? which in turn means that I cannot get a clear overview understanding of what is happening

Having said that, it isn't a great deal of hassle to copy and paste it into a word processor (where it is recognised as a "table") and I can adjust columns or turn it into text or whatever and post it back to myself

The problem re the identification as a "table" in TB maybe a TB problem (wotjer think Dan?) in fact it looks like it is becasue tables pasted from other wordprocessors also do not have moveable borders in TB - a bit more research and I will post a Bug to Softmaker



JohnnyB

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[JohnB]

On 28/05/2015 13:32, Judy Madnick wrote:
> Are you saying that that's (possibly) a bug in TB?

Not so much a bug as a missing feature -- Softmaker (Soft Office) have
teamed up with Mozilla to include TB with their product becasue they
have some design features they want to include in the email product - so
it is to them I shall address this as a wish (unless Dan comes back and
tells me I am missing a trick with TB)

I must say that you underestimate the click problem: I checked it out
and because your results table doesn't shrink it is 103 clicks to see
the whole results by which time I had forgotten what the first line was.

I personally do not like the idea of files becasue they are enormous
waste of disk space and to read them they have to be downloaded which
means housekeeping

*JohnnyB*

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[Dodi Schultz]

My TB didn't have any trouble seeing it as a chart, with lines and all.

—Dodi




On 5/28/2015 5:10 AM, JohnB wrote:
> Judy
>
> it looks nice and clean but TB doesn't see it as a "table" - that is an
> object with moveable row and column borders - therefore it takes several
> click to see a row even in full screen and then the same number of clicks
> back again to see the next row which in turn means that I cannot get a
> clear overview understanding of what is happening
>
> Having said that, it isn't a great deal of hassle to copy and paste it
> into a word processor (where it is recognised as a "table") and I can
> adjust columns or turn it into text or whatever and post it back to myself
>
> The problem re the identification as a "table" in TB maybe a TB problem
> (wotjer think Dan?) in fact it looks like it is becasue tables pasted
> from other wordprocessors also do not have moveable borders in TB - a bit
> more research and I will post a Bug to Softmaker
>
>
> *JohnnyB*
>

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[Judy Madnick]

Johnny,

Can't you just delete the message with the attachment? It's difficult for me to compare "housekeeping" chores because my email program allows me to open the attachment with just a couple of clicks.

Clearly, I'm not going to be able to make everyone happy. Either I'll be happy that I have an easy way to post results...or I have to spend time transferring results to an email message to keep everyone else happy. I guess I lose. <sigh>

Judy



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Dated: 5/28/2015 9:01:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Round 2611 - RESULTS - ADUNC




On 28/05/2015 13:32, Judy Madnick wrote:

Are you saying that that's (possibly) a bug in TB?

Not so much a bug as a missing feature -- Softmaker (Soft Office) have teamed up with Mozilla to include TB with their product becasue they have some design features they want to include in the email product - so it is to them I shall address this as a wish (unless Dan comes back and tells me I am missing a trick? with TB)

I must say that you underestimate the click problem: I checked it out and because your results table? doesn't shrink it is 103 clicks to see the whole results by which time I had forgotten what the first line was.?

I personally do not like the idea of files becasue they are enormous waste of disk space and to read them they have to be downloaded which means housekeeping

JohnnyB


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[Judy Madnick]

Hmmmm...that's interesting. Maybe I *can* be happy? <G>

Judy



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Dated: 5/28/2015 9:02:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Round 2611 - RESULTS - ADUNC

My TB didn't have any trouble seeing it as a chart, with lines and all.

—Dodi




On 5/28/2015 5:10 AM, JohnB wrote:
> Judy
>
> it looks nice and clean but TB doesn't see it as a "table" - that is an
> object with moveable row and column borders - therefore it takes several
> click to see a row even in full screen and then the same number of clicks
> back again to see the next row which in turn means that I cannot get a
> clear overview understanding of what is happening
>
> Having said that, it isn't a great deal of hassle to copy and paste it
> into a word processor (where it is recognised as a "table") and I can
> adjust columns or turn it into text or whatever and post it back to myself
>
> The problem re the identification as a "table" in TB maybe a TB problem
> (wotjer think Dan?) in fact it looks like it is becasue tables pasted
> from other wordprocessors also do not have moveable borders in TB - a bit
> more research and I will post a Bug to Softmaker
>
>
> *JohnnyB*
>

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[JohnB]

Dodi

but could you move those lines to make the table a sensible size? (I
couldn't and obviously nor could Guerri)


*John*

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[JohnB]

Judy

I could delete the message yes but I keep all messages.
If it had an attachment then yes I can keep the message without the
attachment but in this context that would be pointless

Opening an attachment is one click for me but the housekeeping is not so
fancy

I will admit that part of my problem is the fact that because I am a)
not a visual person and b) old fashioned then looking at a disk folder
with several thousand files in it most of which are totally unwanted,
useless and a demonstration of the utter inefficiency of the software
writers (in this case MS) offends me greatly

However: if I am the only person unhappy then I can resolve the problem
with a few clicks

a) the format you sent (10 clicks)
/select/copy/switch to WP/paste/convert to text/copy/back to
TB/new/paste/send to self/

b) the pdf (8 clicks)
/dl (auto opens Adobe)/Select all/copy/back to TB/new/past/send to
self/delete original
*John*

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[Dodi Schultz]

Well, the entire chart doesn't appear on my screen at once, of course. One
needs to scroll, just as I would need to scroll if your message below
consisted of not one line but 30. But the lines are all exactly where they
should be; it's a perfectly readable chart. Or table, or whatever you want
to call it. With columns and rows marked off by lines, and all the print
within those boxes totally legible.

I'm still using TB 16.0.2, BTW, despite Mozilla's frequent reminders that
the wonderful version 31 is available. Maybe the "improvements" since my
version aren't.

Anyway, the really important question here is: Can Mike read it OK, so he
can produce the rolling scores?

—Dodi


=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=


On 5/28/2015 9:39 AM, JohnB wrote:
> Dodi
>
> but could you move those lines to make the table a sensible size? (I
> couldn't and obviously nor could Guerri)
>
>
> *John*
>

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[Judy Madnick]

Quote:
Anyway, the really important question here is: Can Mike read it OK, so he can produce the rolling scores?
Mike?

* * * * *

Judy Madnick
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[Judy Madnick]

Johnny,

It's very interesting to read how different people handle their email. I love to clean out unwanted messages. In my case, my email is filtered through Gmail to a third-party email program. So I can keep my email program as "clean" as possible, leaving Gmail to keep whatever it wants to save. I rarely go to the Web to check Gmail (unless it's to find a message that I've deleted in my email program).

Let's make sure Mike doesn't have a problem with the "table in a message" or an attachment. Again, if history is a good predictor, this will be an issue roughly twice a year. :-)

Judy



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To: dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com;
Dated: 5/28/2015 9:57:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Round 2611 - RESULTS - ADUNC

Judy

I could delete the message yes but I keep all messages.
If it had an attachment then yes I can keep the message without the attachment but in this context that would be pointless

Opening an attachment is one click for me but the housekeeping is not so fancy

I will admit that part of my problem is the fact that because I am a) not a visual person? and b) old fashioned then looking at a disk folder with several thousand files in it? most of which are totally unwanted, useless and a demonstration of the utter inefficiency of the software writers (in this case MS) offends me greatly

However: if I am the only person unhappy then I can resolve the problem with a few clicks

a) the format you sent (10 clicks)
?/select/copy/switch to WP/paste/convert to text/copy/back to TB/new/paste/send to self/

b) the pdf (8 clicks)
/dl (auto opens Adobe)/Select all/copy/back to TB/new/past/send to self/delete original

John

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[France International/Mike Shefler]

The PDF was the best format for me because otherwise I had to scroll back and forth from the submitter to the score.

--Mike




On 5/28/2015 10:01 AM, Judy Madnick wrote:


body { font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12pt; font-weight: normal; margin-top: 40px; margin-left: 20px; }

Quote:



Anyway, the really important question here is: Can Mike read it OK, so he can produce the rolling scores?



Mike?



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[JohnB]

Judy

Of course, this is really a luddite discussion! - why can't we have
italics and bolds, colours and quotes etc in defs? - and the fundamental
answer is because DOS didn't allow them -that is why we had some
peculiar conventions about _this_ and [that]: however there is a
secondary argument; and that is that not everyone uses the same email
client and so not every one can see bolds, etc. (we had this discussion
not long ago) As a result we have tended to be quite conservative so
that everyone at least sees the same thing - but we do have different
software: As a recent example: your replies to me when quoting back my
plain-text to you have a white-question-mark-in-a-black-diamond
scattered throughout the quoteback
I think they are where I have used two spaces - or maybe any other
grammatical thing that your software dislikes --- that is what gave an
unexpected question mark in my published def after the D which was never
part of my original definition

Mike could have been using tables for years but instead codes up in
html - I wonder if he has had this discussion long ago

*JohnnyB*

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[France International/Mike Shefler]

Tables? My scoring program is written in FORTRAN. What does FORTRAN know about tables?

--Mike




On 5/28/2015 10:25 AM, JohnB wrote:


Judy

Of course, this is really a luddite discussion!Â* - why can't we have italics and bolds, colours and quotes etc in defs? - and the fundamental answer is because DOS didn't allow them -that is why we had some peculiar conventions aboutÂ* _this_Â* and [that]: however there is a secondary argument; and that is that not everyone uses the same email client and so not every one can see bolds, etc. (we had this discussion not long ago) As a result we have tended to be quite conservative so that everyone at least sees the same thing - but we do have different software: As a recent example: your replies to me when quoting back my plain-text to you have a white-question-mark-in-a-black-diamond scattered throughout the quoteback
I think they are where I have used two spaces - or maybe any other grammatical thing that your software dislikes --- that is what gaveÂ* an unexpected question mark in my published def after the D which was never part of my original definition

Mike could have been using tables for years but instead codes up in htmlÂ* - I wonder if he has had this discussion long ago



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[Jim Hart]

Just for the record, and having previously said I could read it all just
fine on the groups website (which remains my usual Dixonary interface), I
can add that I opened the later pdf attachment with no trouble.

I have also just opened today's digest email (which I receive as a backup
but rarely bother to read). When I opened it in Thunderbird there were no
columns - instead each row of the table was closed up with not even a space
where the column break should be. Like this:

DefinitionSubmitted by:Votes from...VotesVoted for...Total
1. A feature or part of a device whose purpose is not clear.Tim
BourneWiddis1310*3
2. A legal state in which ownership of a tangible asset has been sold but
the buyer does not yet have possession of the asset.Efrem Mallach 03160

This does not worry me but I mention it for those who might be interested
in such things. As I said before, I really don't mind how it's done.

Jim

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[Jim Hart]

Love it! Do you enter the data on punch cards or have you advanced to paper
tape?


On Friday, 29 May 2015 00:39:24 UTC+10, Mike Shefler wrote:
>
> Tables? My scoring program is written in FORTRAN. What does FORTRAN know
> about tables?
>
> --Mike
>
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[France International/Mike Shefler]

I flip the console switches.



On 5/28/2015 10:54 AM, Jim Hart wrote:




Love it! Do you enter the data on punch cards or have you advanced to paper tape?


On Friday, 29 May 2015 00:39:24 UTC+10, Mike Shefler wrote:

Tables? My scoring program is written in FORTRAN. What does FORTRAN know about tables?

--Mike





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[JohnB]

Last time I used Fortran was in 1974 and I was producing printouts of
hierarchies - so tables, no, Fortran wouldn't know about tables nor
hierarchies but programmers might and my position on programmers is that
if you can think about it then within reason there is a likelihood that
you can probably program it too

*John*
On 28/05/2015 15:39, France International/Mike Shefler wrote:
> What does FORTRAN know about tables?

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[JohnB]

Love it!!!

*JohnnyB*
On 28/05/2015 15:59, France International/Mike Shefler wrote:
> I flip the console switches.

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[Judy Madnick]

Can you read my results table?

Judy



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To: dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com;
Dated: 5/28/2015 10:39:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Round 2611 - RESULTS - ADUNC

Tables? My scoring program is written in FORTRAN. What does FORTRAN know about tables?

--Mike



On 5/28/2015 10:25 AM, JohnB wrote:

Judy

Of course, this is really a luddite discussion!? - why can't we have italics and bolds, colours and quotes etc in defs? - and the fundamental answer is because DOS didn't allow them -that is why we had some peculiar conventions about? _this_? and [that]: however there is a secondary argument; and that is that not everyone uses the same email client and so not every one can see bolds, etc. (we had this discussion not long ago) As a result we have tended to be quite conservative so that everyone at least sees the same thing - but we do have different software: As a recent example: your replies to me when quoting back my plain-text to you have a white-question-mark-in-a-black-diamond scattered throughout the quoteback
I think they are where I have used two spaces - or maybe any other grammatical thing that your software dislikes --- that is what gave? an unexpected question mark in my published def after the D which was never part of my original definition

Mike could have been using tables for years but instead codes up in html? - I wonder if he has had this discussion long ago


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[Judy Madnick]

Sorry -- I was reading my messages backwards. And I can understand the .pdf file being easier to read than a table in an email message. <G>

Judy

* * * * *

Can you read my results table?

Judy



Original message
From: "France International/Mike Shefler" <stamps (AT) salsgiver (DOT) com>
To: dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com;
Dated: 5/28/2015 10:39:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Round 2611 - RESULTS - ADUNC

Tables? My scoring program is written in FORTRAN. What does FORTRAN know about tables?

--Mike



On 5/28/2015 10:25 AM, JohnB wrote:

Judy

Of course, this is really a luddite discussion!? - why can't we have italics and bolds, colours and quotes etc in defs? - and the fundamental answer is because DOS didn't allow them -that is why we had some peculiar conventions about? _this_? and [that]: however there is a secondary argument; and that is that not everyone uses the same email client and so not every one can see bolds, etc. (we had this discussion not long ago) As a result we have tended to be quite conservative so that everyone at least sees the same thing - but we do have different software: As a recent example: your replies to me when quoting back my plain-text to you have a white-question-mark-in-a-black-diamond scattered throughout the quoteback
I think they are where I have used two spaces - or maybe any other grammatical thing that your software dislikes --- that is what gave? an unexpected question mark in my published def after the D which was never part of my original definition

Mike could have been using tables for years but instead codes up in html? - I wonder if he has had this discussion long ago


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[France International/Mike Shefler]

I can read it fine. But I used the PDF for the scoring because I didn't have to scroll.



On 5/28/2015 11:07 AM, Judy Madnick wrote:


body { font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12pt; font-weight: normal; margin-top: 40px; margin-left: 20px; }

Can you read my results table?



Â*



JudyÂ*



Â*



Original message
From: "France International/Mike Shefler" &lt;stamps (AT) salsgiver (DOT) com&gt; (mailto:stamps (AT) salsgiver (DOT) com)
To: dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com (mailto:dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com);
Dated: 5/28/2015 10:39:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Round 2611 - RESULTS - ADUNC

Tables? My scoring program is written in FORTRAN. What does FORTRAN know about tables?

--Mike




On 5/28/2015 10:25 AM, JohnB wrote:


Judy

Of course, this is really a luddite discussion!� - why can't we have italics and bolds, colours and quotes etc in defs? - and the fundamental answer is because DOS didn't allow them -that is why we had some peculiar conventions about� _this_� and [that]: however there is a secondary argument; and that is that not everyone uses the same email client and so not every one can see bolds, etc. (we had this discussion not long ago) As a result we have tended to be quite conservative so that everyone at least sees the same thing - but we do have different software: As a recent example: your replies to me when quoting back my plain-text to you have a white-question-mark-in-a-black-diamond scattered throughout the quoteback
I think they are where I have used two spaces - or maybe any other grammatical thing that your software dislikes --- that is what gave� an unexpected question mark in my published def after the D which was never part of my original definition

Mike could have been using tables for years but instead codes up in html� - I wonder if he has had this discussion long ago



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[Judy Madnick]

Johnny,

I just checked your message in Gmail, and that's where the "white-question-mark-in-a-black-diamond" issue occurred, not in my software.

Judy



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Dated: 5/28/2015 10:25:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Round 2611 - RESULTS - ADUNC

Judy

Of course, this is really a luddite discussion!? - why can't we have italics and bolds, colours and quotes etc in defs? - and the fundamental answer is because DOS didn't allow them -that is why we had some peculiar conventions about? _this_? and [that]: however there is a secondary argument; and that is that not everyone uses the same email client and so not every one can see bolds, etc. (we had this discussion not long ago) As a result we have tended to be quite conservative so that everyone at least sees the same thing - but we do have different software: As a recent example: your replies to me when quoting back my plain-text to you have a white-question-mark-in-a-black-diamond scattered throughout the quoteback
I think they are where I have used two spaces - or maybe any other grammatical thing that your software dislikes --- that is what gave? an unexpected question mark in my published def after the D which was never part of my original definition

Mike could have been using tables for years but instead codes up in html? - I wonder if he has had this discussion long ago


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[JohnB]

Judy

that is fascinating -

a) I do not see it in gmail (and I have just tested by sending my
original def to myself)

b) I thought you read email in some software rather than logged in on site

c) Although it doesn't look like it from a) above, if it is gmail then
that is one of the reasons I distrust gmail - they constantly keep
changing what it is they do and the relearning curve just to find out
how to do something that you did happily yesterday is a PITA -
consequently, except for checking that I haven't had a def go in to
google spam, I do not use gmail in a browser for the game at all. In
fact hardly for anything do I use any email in a browser - however my
wife does and that Is how I know that from a user perspective gmail is
incredibly unstable (not that it is really unstable but that they can't
leave the product alone for more than two minutes without twitching it)

hence I conclude that my spare question-mark in the def is a sofware error


*John*
On 28/05/2015 16:17, Judy Madnick wrote:
> I just checked your message in Gmail, and that's where the
> "white-question-mark-in-a-black-diamond" issue occurred, not in my
> software.

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[Judy Madnick]

Please send the original "problem" message to jmadnick @ Gmail.com. I've changed a setting in Gmail, and I'd like to see if that makes a difference. (I have to use an upper-case "G" for "Gmail" in my messages because my spell-check changes "Gmail" with a lower-case "g" to "email"! I can probably fix that; I haven't tried.)

Yes, I use a third-party email program. But all my email is filtered through Gmail and is picked up by my third-party program. That's why I went to Gmail to see what your message looked like there.

Judy



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Dated: 5/28/2015 11:41:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Round 2611 - RESULTS - ADUNC

Judy

that is fascinating -

a) I do not see it in gmail (and I have just tested by sending my original def to myself)

b) I thought you read email in some software rather than logged in on site

c) Although it doesn't look like it from a) above, if it is gmail then that is one of the reasons I distrust gmail - they constantly keep changing what it is they do and the relearning curve just to find out how to do something that you did happily yesterday is a PITA - consequently, except for checking that I haven't had a def go in to google spam, I do not use gmail in a browser for the game at all. In fact hardly for anything do I use any email in a browser - however my wife does and that Is how I know that from a user perspective gmail is incredibly unstable (not that it is really unstable but that they can't leave the product alone for more than two minutes without twitching it)

hence I conclude that my spare question-mark in the def is a sofware error



John
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I just checked your message in Gmail, and that's where the "white-question-mark-in-a-black-diamond" issue occurred, not in my software.



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[Daniel Widdis]

Judy,

When you and I were exchanging emails about my parenthetical (that we
eventually discarded) I saw the same question-mark-in-diamond. I believe
your third party email program does not handle the full set of
characters that Gmail does.

It looked like this: �

Dan

On 5/28/15 8:48 AM, Judy Madnick wrote:
> Please send the original "problem" message to jmadnick @ Gmail.com.
> I've changed a setting in Gmail, and I'd like to see if that makes a
> difference. (I have to use an upper-case "G" for "Gmail" in my
> messages because my spell-check changes "Gmail" with a lower-case "g"
> to "email"! I can probably fix that; I haven't tried.)
> Yes, I use a third-party email program. But all my email is filtered
> through Gmail and is picked up by my third-party program. That's why I
> went to Gmail to see what your message looked like there.
> Judy
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Original message
> From: JohnB <johnb (AT) john-barrs (DOT) co.uk>
> To: dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com;
> Dated: 5/28/2015 11:41:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Round 2611 - RESULTS - ADUNC
>
> Judy
>
> that is fascinating -
>
> a) I do not see it in gmail (and I have just tested by sending my
> original def to myself)
>
> b) I thought you read email in some software rather than logged in on site
>
> c) Although it doesn't look like it from a) above, if it is gmail then
> that is one of the reasons I distrust gmail - they constantly keep
> changing what it is they do and the relearning curve just to find out
> how to do something that you did happily yesterday is a PITA -
> consequently, except for checking that I haven't had a def go in to
> google spam, I do not use gmail in a browser for the game at all. In
> fact hardly for anything do I use any email in a browser - however my
> wife does and that Is how I know that from a user perspective gmail is
> incredibly unstable (not that it is really unstable but that they
> can't leave the product alone for more than two minutes without
> twitching it)
>
> hence I conclude that my spare question-mark in the def is a sofware error
>
>
> *John*
> On 28/05/2015 16:17, Judy Madnick wrote:
>> I just checked your message in Gmail, and that's where the
>> "white-question-mark-in-a-black-diamond" issue occurred, not in my
>> software.
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[Steve Graham]

Generally, this problem arises over the Internet when the program composing the text uses non-standard coding for characters outside the internationally accepted means of doing so.

In other words, don't be quick to jump on the mail-handling software.

Microsoft Word (and Outlook) is an example. The directional open and close double quotes are (or were) of Microsoft's own creation, rather than an international standard.

Microsoft is so big that a number of developers struggled to provide for the MS aberration ... but not all.

That's why I turned off the MS double-quotes in Outlook and Word.

We used to have a sarcastic comment that Microsoft believes in standards .... as long as they set them.

Steve Graham



From: dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com [mailto:dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com] On Behalf Of Daniel Widdis
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 10:12
To: dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com
Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Round 2611 - RESULTS - ADUNC



Judy,

When you and I were exchanging emails about my parenthetical (that we eventually discarded) I saw the same question-mark-in-diamond. I believe your third party email program does not handle the full set of characters that Gmail does.

It looked like this: �

Dan

On 5/28/15 8:48 AM, Judy Madnick wrote:

Please send the original "problem" message to jmadnick @ Gmail.com. I've changed a setting in Gmail, and I'd like to see if that makes a difference. (I have to use an upper-case "G" for "Gmail" in my messages because my spell-check changes "Gmail" with a lower-case "g" to "email"! I can probably fix that; I haven't tried.)



Yes, I use a third-party email program. But all my email is filtered through Gmail and is picked up by my third-party program. That's why I went to Gmail to see what your message looked like there.



Judy



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Original message
From: JohnB <mailto:johnb (AT) john-barrs (DOT) co.uk> <johnb (AT) john-barrs (DOT) co.uk>
To: dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com;
Dated: 5/28/2015 11:41:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Round 2611 - RESULTS - ADUNC

Judy

that is fascinating -

a) I do not see it in gmail (and I have just tested by sending my original def to myself)

b) I thought you read email in some software rather than logged in on site

c) Although it doesn't look like it from a) above, if it is gmail then that is one of the reasons I distrust gmail - they constantly keep changing what it is they do and the relearning curve just to find out how to do something that you did happily yesterday is a PITA - consequently, except for checking that I haven't had a def go in to google spam, I do not use gmail in a browser for the game at all. In fact hardly for anything do I use any email in a browser - however my wife does and that Is how I know that from a user perspective gmail is incredibly unstable (not that it is really unstable but that they can't leave the product alone for more than two minutes without twitching it)

hence I conclude that my spare question-mark in the def is a sofware error



John

On 28/05/2015 16:17, Judy Madnick wrote:

I just checked your message in Gmail, and that's where the "white-question-mark-in-a-black-diamond" issue occurred, not in my software.





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[Daniel Widdis]

On 5/28/15 10:49 AM, Steve Graham wrote:
>
> Generally, this problem arises over the Internet when the program
> composing the text uses non-standard coding for characters outside the
> internationally accepted means of doing so.
>
No argument there. But programs still must be configured to use
appropriate internationally-accepted character sets (e.g., UTF-8). If a
program is not set to use UTF-8, then it doesn't matter what standard
characters I send; she won't receive them.

FWIW, my definition (combining a dactyl and spondee) was originally
intended to have one of these two parentheticals appended, but Judy
couldn't manage to get them from my email to her definition list, so we
gave up:

Set 1: (- â—¡ â—¡ | - -)

Set 2: (¯ ˘ ˘ | ¯ ¯)

My client (Tbird) and Gmail both handled both sets, but somewhere in
Judy's email client, or word processing software, or the MS Clipboard
that moved stuff between them, lost the encodings.

Losing encodings in cut-and-paste is nothing new. Every time I deal I
have to manually work around my clipboard's inability to translate
Windows-based carriage return/line feeds (that Coryphaeus produces) onto
my Mac-based clipboard. If we can't even agree on a standard for new
lines at the end of sentences, how can we possibly agree on other
interesting characters?!

Dan

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[Daniel Widdis]

On 5/28/15 10:49 AM, Steve Graham wrote:
>
> Generally, this problem arises over the Internet when the program
> composing the text uses non-standard coding for characters outside the
> internationally accepted means of doing so.
>
And as a quick followup, there are multiple internationally accepted
means for characters, including UTF-8 (popular now) and ISO-8859-1
(popular a decade ago, and still probably the default in software
purchased/installed before 2007-2008.)

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[Judy Madnick]

In Johnny's messages, the ? appeared in my Gmail account before it even reached my third-party program. That's why I asked him to send a private message directly to my Gmail account.


Judy



Original message
From: "Daniel Widdis" <widdis (AT) dixonary (DOT) net>
To: dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com;
Dated: 5/28/2015 1:12:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Round 2611 - RESULTS - ADUNC

Judy,

When you and I were exchanging emails about my parenthetical (that we eventually discarded) I saw the same question-mark-in-diamond.?? I believe your third party email program does not handle the full set of characters that Gmail does.

It looked like this: ?

Dan


On 5/28/15 8:48 AM, Judy Madnick wrote:

Please send the original "problem" message to jmadnick @ Gmail.com. I've changed a setting in Gmail, and I'd like to see if that makes a difference. (I have to use an upper-case "G" for "Gmail" in my messages because my spell-check changes "Gmail" with a lower-case "g" to "email"! I can probably fix that; I haven't tried.)
?
Yes, I use a third-party email program. But all my email is filtered through Gmail and is picked up by my third-party program. That's why I went to Gmail to see what your message looked like there.
?
Judy?
?


Original message
From: JohnB <johnb (AT) john-barrs (DOT) co.uk>
To: dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com;
Dated: 5/28/2015 11:41:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Round 2611 - RESULTS - ADUNC

Judy

that is fascinating -

a) I do not see it in gmail (and I have just tested by sending my original def to myself)

b) I thought you read email in some software rather than logged in on site

c) Although it doesn't look like it from a) above, if it is gmail then that is one of the reasons I distrust gmail - they constantly keep changing what it is they do and the relearning curve just to find out how to do something that you did happily yesterday is a PITA - consequently, except for checking that I haven't had a def go in to google spam, I do not use gmail in a browser for the game at all. In fact hardly for anything do I use any email in a browser - however my wife does and that Is how I know that from a user perspective gmail is incredibly unstable (not that it is really unstable but that they can't leave the product alone for more than two minutes without twitching it)

hence I conclude that my spare question-mark in the def is a sofware error



John
On 28/05/2015 16:17, Judy Madnick wrote:

I just checked your message in Gmail, and that's where the "white-question-mark-in-a-black-diamond" issue occurred, not in my software.


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[JohnB]

Judy

it is very odd - I have only ever seen the <?> in emails from you when
you are quoting someone else's email -- AFIK everything here is normal
(except of course that all my software is en-uk rather than en-us) I am
using unicode character coding and my font is described as Helvetica,
Arial (which last does raise my eyebrows) here is a two space gap

I shall change what I can (except the en-uk) and resend this
*
JohnnyB*

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[JohnB]

Judy

it is very odd - I have only ever seen the <?> in emails from you when
you are quoting someone else's email -- AFIK everything here is normal
(except of course that all my software is en-uk rather than en-us) I am
using Western character coding and my font is described as Baskerville
old Face. here is a two space gap

now to change back
*JohnnyB*

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[Judy Madnick]

And in this message, there's no problem.

I agree -- we're wasting everyone's time. That's why I had suggested going to private email -- but it's probably not important enough.

Thanks for trying!

Judy



Original message
From: JohnB <johnb (AT) john-barrs (DOT) co.uk>
To: dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com;
Dated: 5/28/2015 5:01:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Round 2611 - RESULTS - ADUNC

Judy

it is very odd - I have only ever seen the <?> in emails from you when you are quoting someone else's email -- AFIK everything here is normal (except of course that all my software is en-uk rather than en-us) I am using Western character coding and my font is described as Baskerville old Face. here is a two space gap

now to change back
JohnnyB

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[France International/Mike Shefler]

Many, many rounds ago I attempted to create an ilustrated definition. At that time, the only way to do it was in ASCII characters, much like the Dixon crown of yore. I think most of the players got the illustration OK, but some email programs jumbled the ASCII characters up.

--Mike




On 5/28/2015 1:59 PM, Daniel Widdis wrote:


On 5/28/15 10:49 AM, Steve Graham wrote:




Generally, this problem arises over the Internet when the program composing the text uses non-standard coding for characters outside the internationally accepted means of doing so.



No argument there.Â* But programs still must be configured to use appropriate internationally-accepted character sets (e.g., UTF-8).Â* If a program is not set to use UTF-8, then it doesn't matter what standard characters I send; she won't receive them.

FWIW, my definition (combining a dactyl and spondee) was originally intended to have one of these two parentheticals appended, but Judy couldn't manage to get them from my email to her definition list, so we gave up:

Set 1:Â* (- â—¡ â—¡ | - -)

Set 2:Â* (¯ ˘ ˘ | ¯ ¯)

My client (Tbird) and Gmail both handled both sets, but somewhere in Judy's email client, or word processing software, or the MS Clipboard that moved stuff between them, lost the encodings.

Losing encodings in cut-and-paste is nothing new.Â* Every time I deal I have to manually work around my clipboard's inability to translate Windows-based carriage return/line feeds (that Coryphaeus produces) onto my Mac-based clipboard.Â* If we can't even agree on a standard for new lines at the end of sentences, how can we possibly agree on other interesting characters?!

Dan
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[Dodi Schultz]

Dick's tardigrade came through OK a few rounds back, eh.

—Dodi

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=


On 5/28/2015 6:22 PM, France International/Mike Shefler wrote:
> Many, many rounds ago I attempted to create an ilustrated definition. At
> that time, the only way to do it was in ASCII characters, much like the
> Dixon crown of yore. I think most of the players got the illustration OK,
> but some email programs jumbled the ASCII characters up.
>
> --Mike

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>
>
> On 5/28/2015 1:59 PM, Daniel Widdis wrote:
>> On 5/28/15 10:49 AM, Steve Graham wrote:
>>>
>>> Generally, this problem arises over the Internet when the program
>>> composing the text uses non-standard coding for characters outside the
>>> internationally accepted means of doing so.
>>>
>> No argument there. But programs still must be configured to use
>> appropriate internationally-accepted character sets (e.g., UTF-8). If a
>> program is not set to use UTF-8, then it doesn't matter what standard
>> characters I send; she won't receive them.
>>
>> FWIW, my definition (combining a dactyl and spondee) was originally
>> intended to have one of these two parentheticals appended, but Judy
>> couldn't manage to get them from my email to her definition list, so we
>> gave up:
>>
>> Set 1: (- â—¡ â—¡ | - -)
>>
>> Set 2: (¯ ˘ ˘ | ¯ ¯)
>>
>> My client (Tbird) and Gmail both handled both sets, but somewhere in
>> Judy's email client, or word processing software, or the MS Clipboard
>> that moved stuff between them, lost the encodings.
>>
>> Losing encodings in cut-and-paste is nothing new. Every time I deal I
>> have to manually work around my clipboard's inability to translate
>> Windows-based carriage return/line feeds (that Coryphaeus produces) onto
>> my Mac-based clipboard. If we can't even agree on a standard for new
>> lines at the end of sentences, how can we possibly agree on other
>> interesting characters?!
>>
>> Dan
>

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[France International/Mike Shefler]

Yes, but today's email programs are a little more sophisticated than TAPCIS.

--Mike


On 5/28/2015 6:26 PM, Dodi Schultz wrote:
> Dick's tardigrade came through OK a few rounds back, eh.
>
> —Dodi
>
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>
>
> On 5/28/2015 6:22 PM, France International/Mike Shefler wrote:
>> Many, many rounds ago I attempted to create an ilustrated definition.
>> At that time, the only way to do it was in ASCII characters, much
>> like the Dixon crown of yore. I think most of the players got the
>> illustration OK, but some email programs jumbled the ASCII characters
>> up.
>>
>> --Mike
>
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>
>>
>> On 5/28/2015 1:59 PM, Daniel Widdis wrote:
>>> On 5/28/15 10:49 AM, Steve Graham wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Generally, this problem arises over the Internet when the program
>>>> composing the text uses non-standard coding for characters outside
>>>> the internationally accepted means of doing so.
>>>>
>>> No argument there. But programs still must be configured to use
>>> appropriate internationally-accepted character sets (e.g., UTF-8).
>>> If a program is not set to use UTF-8, then it doesn't matter what
>>> standard characters I send; she won't receive them.
>>>
>>> FWIW, my definition (combining a dactyl and spondee) was originally
>>> intended to have one of these two parentheticals appended, but Judy
>>> couldn't manage to get them from my email to her definition list, so
>>> we gave up:
>>>
>>> Set 1: (- â—¡ â—¡ | - -)
>>>
>>> Set 2: (¯ ˘ ˘ | ¯ ¯)
>>>
>>> My client (Tbird) and Gmail both handled both sets, but somewhere in
>>> Judy's email client, or word processing software, or the MS
>>> Clipboard that moved stuff between them, lost the encodings.
>>>
>>> Losing encodings in cut-and-paste is nothing new. Every time I deal
>>> I have to manually work around my clipboard's inability to translate
>>> Windows-based carriage return/line feeds (that Coryphaeus produces)
>>> onto my Mac-based clipboard. If we can't even agree on a standard
>>> for new lines at the end of sentences, how can we possibly agree on
>>> other interesting characters?!
>>>
>>> Dan
>>
>

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[Guerri Stevens]

Scrolling up and down is one thing, but I have to scroll to the right
and left in my setup. Possibly you are running Tbird full-screen, and if
I did that, the whole line would appear at once. Or maybe I could change
the text size.

Guerri
On 5/28/2015 9:58 AM, Dodi Schultz wrote:
> Well, the entire chart doesn't appear on my screen at once, of course.
> One needs to scroll, just as I would need to scroll if your message
> below consisted of not one line but 30. But the lines are all exactly
> where they should be; it's a perfectly readable chart. Or table, or
> whatever you want to call it. With columns and rows marked off by
> lines, and all the print within those boxes totally legible.
>
> I'm still using TB 16.0.2, BTW, despite Mozilla's frequent reminders that
> the wonderful version 31 is available. Maybe the "improvements" since
> my version aren't.
>
> Anyway, the really important question here is: Can Mike read it OK, so he
> can produce the rolling scores?
>
> —Dodi
>
>
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>
>
> On 5/28/2015 9:39 AM, JohnB wrote:
>> Dodi
>>
>> but could you move those lines to make the table a sensible size? (I
>> couldn't and obviously nor could Guerri)
>>
>>
>> *John*
>>
>

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[Guerri Stevens]

The .pdf came through fine for me.

I don't deal often either. I am using Dixomatic which is pretty
uncomplicated. I think Dodi is also using a fairly simple dealing program.

Guerri

On 5/28/2015 8:25 AM, Judy Madnick wrote:
> Guerri,
> At one point I tried another dealing program, but I don't deal very
> often, so each time I dealt, the learning process began again. It
> wasn't worth the effort.
> If I were to attach a file, I would simply convert the WordPerfect
> file to a .pdf. Programs other than WordPerfect often don't convert
> WordPerfect files well. When I suggested a .pdf attachment earlier,
> there was a complaint about that. I *could* send the results in an
> email as I did yesterday...and also attach a .pdf file. I don't know
> how Google Groups handles attachments (if at all), but that might be a
> solution. (I'll attach a .pdf file to this message and see what happens.)
> Fortunately, however, most Dixonary players were okay with the results
> table "pasted" in a message. It will most likely be awhile before I
> deal again if history is a good predictor, so we won't have to worry
> about this for some time.
> Judy
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Original message
> From: "Guerri Stevens" <guerri (AT) guerristevens (DOT) com>
> To: dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com;
> Dated: 5/28/2015 6:59:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Round 2611 - RESULTS - ADUNC
>
> I'll come right out and say I hate the format. I didn't even bother to
> try to read it. I would have to do a LOT of scrolling. There's a lot of
> white space, as it appears in my setup, anyway.
>
> I have a suggestion though: there are several more or less automated
> dealing programs. Have you tried any of them?
>
> A second suggestion: I don't know whether you can do this or not in the
> Google group, but could you deliver the results as an attachment? I mean
> send your WordPerfect file as an attachment. Probably everyone has a way
> to read the file with software that will translate it.
>
>
>
> Guerri
>
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[Dodi Schultz]

My address-book column is on the left (and can be broadened or narrowed by
double-arrow-sliding the border back and forth), but the rest of the screen
is this message and those below.

Text size is easily changed with Ctrl/+ or Ctrl/-, as you doubtless know.
In fact, I did that with the message to which I'm replying, since the text
was too tiny to read comfortably.

—Dodi


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On 5/29/2015 5:20 AM, Guerri Stevens wrote:
> Scrolling up and down is one thing, but I have to scroll to the right and
> left in my setup. Possibly you are running Tbird full-screen, and if I
> did that, the whole line would appear at once. Or maybe I could change
> the text size.
>
> Guerri

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> On 5/28/2015 9:58 AM, Dodi Schultz wrote:
>> Well, the entire chart doesn't appear on my screen at once, of course.
>> One needs to scroll, just as I would need to scroll if your message
>> below consisted of not one line but 30. But the lines are all exactly
>> where they should be; it's a perfectly readable chart. Or table, or
>> whatever you want to call it. With columns and rows marked off by lines,
>> and all the print within those boxes totally legible.
>>
>> I'm still using TB 16.0.2, BTW, despite Mozilla's frequent reminders that
>> the wonderful version 31 is available. Maybe the "improvements" since my
>> version aren't.
>>
>> Anyway, the really important question here is: Can Mike read it OK, so he
>> can produce the rolling scores?
>>
>> —Dodi
>>
>>
>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>
>>
>> On 5/28/2015 9:39 AM, JohnB wrote:
>>> Dodi
>>>
>>> but could you move those lines to make the table a sensible size? (I
>>> couldn't and obviously nor could Guerri)
>>>
>>>
>>> *John*
>>>
>>
>

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[Dodi Schultz]

The fairly simple program Dodi uses on the rare occasions when Dodi deals
is called E-Mail (or, as some spell it, Email).

It's very easy to note the votes, as they come in, on a printout of the
original defs list (obviously no special program is needed to write a
message with a list of definitions). It's also very easy to add author and
vote information to that message and send the results.

—Dodi


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On 5/29/2015 5:35 AM, Guerri Stevens wrote:
> The .pdf came through fine for me.
>
> I don't deal often either. I am using Dixomatic which is pretty
> uncomplicated. I think Dodi is also using a fairly simple dealing program.
>
> Guerri
>

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[Judy Madnick]

Dodi,

The only difference between what you and I do is that I enter the information in a table. I'm able to automatically sort the definitions before voting time (or move them as I wish). As the votes come in, I can enter them as you see in the table I sent with the results and determine totals. There is no need for a printout...ever (or am I misunderstanding your mention of a "printout"?).

Judy



Original message
From: "Dodi Schultz" <DodiSchultz (AT) verizon (DOT) net>
To: dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com;
Dated: 5/29/2015 9:49:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Round 2611 - RESULTS - ADUNC


The fairly simple program Dodi uses on the rare occasions when Dodi deals
is called E-Mail (or, as some spell it, Email).

It's very easy to note the votes, as they come in, on a printout of the
original defs list (obviously no special program is needed to write a
message with a list of definitions). It's also very easy to add author and
vote information to that message and send the results.

—Dodi

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[Guerri Stevens]

I have my list of folders on the left, not the address book. But even if
I were to shrink the size of that, I would not have been able to see a
whole row of the table. I admit I didn't fool with it much, though. I
don't think that shrinking the text would have made much difference. Now
I should say that I run Tbird in a window, not full screen, and you may
be running as a full screen.

Guerri
On 5/29/2015 9:30 AM, Dodi Schultz wrote:
>
> My address-book column is on the left (and can be broadened or
> narrowed by double-arrow-sliding the border back and forth), but the
> rest of the screen is this message and those below.
>
> Text size is easily changed with Ctrl/+ or Ctrl/-, as you doubtless know.
> In fact, I did that with the message to which I'm replying, since the
> text was too tiny to read comfortably.
>
> —Dodi
>
>
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>
>
> On 5/29/2015 5:20 AM, Guerri Stevens wrote:
>> Scrolling up and down is one thing, but I have to scroll to the right
>> and left in my setup. Possibly you are running Tbird full-screen, and
>> if I did that, the whole line would appear at once. Or maybe I could
>> change the text size.
>>
>> Guerri
>
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>
>> On 5/28/2015 9:58 AM, Dodi Schultz wrote:
>>> Well, the entire chart doesn't appear on my screen at once, of course.
>
>>> One needs to scroll, just as I would need to scroll if your message
>>> below consisted of not one line but 30. But the lines are all
>>> exactly where they should be; it's a perfectly readable chart. Or
>>> table, or whatever you want to call it. With columns and rows marked
>>> off by lines, and all the print within those boxes totally legible.
>>>
>>> I'm still using TB 16.0.2, BTW, despite Mozilla's frequent reminders
>>> that
>>> the wonderful version 31 is available. Maybe the "improvements"
>>> since my version aren't.
>>>
>>> Anyway, the really important question here is: Can Mike read it OK,
>>> so he
>>> can produce the rolling scores?
>>>
>>> —Dodi
>>>
>>>
>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/28/2015 9:39 AM, JohnB wrote:
>>>> Dodi
>>>>
>>>> but could you move those lines to make the table a sensible size?
>>>> (I couldn't and obviously nor could Guerri)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *John*
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

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[Guerri Stevens]

I thought you had special dealing software that would keep tabs on the
voting. I must be thinking of someone else. I know about Coryphaeus, and
I use Dixomatic, but thought there was at least one other.

Guerri
On 5/29/2015 9:49 AM, Dodi Schultz wrote:
>
> The fairly simple program Dodi uses on the rare occasions when Dodi deals
> is called E-Mail (or, as some spell it, Email).
>
> It's very easy to note the votes, as they come in, on a printout of
> the original defs list (obviously no special program is needed to
> write a message with a list of definitions). It's also very easy to
> add author and vote information to that message and send the results.
>
> —Dodi
>
>
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>
>
> On 5/29/2015 5:35 AM, Guerri Stevens wrote:
>> The .pdf came through fine for me.
>>
>> I don't deal often either. I am using Dixomatic which is pretty
>> uncomplicated. I think Dodi is also using a fairly simple dealing
>> program.
>>
>> Guerri
>>
>

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[Dodi Schultz]

No, you didn't misunderstand "printout". It's a piece of paper. I note the
votes with an old-fashioned writing stick called a "pen". :-)

—Dodi


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On 5/29/2015 10:12 AM, Judy Madnick wrote:
> Dodi,
> The only difference between what you and I do is that I enter the
> information in a table. I'm able to automatically sort the definitions
> before voting time (or move them as I wish). As the votes come in, I can
> enter them as you see in the table I sent with the results and determine
> totals. There is no need for a printout...ever (or am I misunderstanding
> your mention of a "printout"?).
> Judy
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Original message
> From: "Dodi Schultz" <DodiSchultz (AT) verizon (DOT) net>
> To: dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com;
> Dated: 5/29/2015 9:49:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Round 2611 - RESULTS - ADUNC
>
>
> The fairly simple program Dodi uses on the rare occasions when Dodi deals
> is called E-Mail (or, as some spell it, Email).
>
> It's very easy to note the votes, as they come in, on a printout of the
> original defs list (obviously no special program is needed to write a
> message with a list of definitions). It's also very easy to add author and
> vote information to that message and send the results.
>
> —Dodi
>
>

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[Judy Madnick]

For me that's more work than a WordPerfect table. I have a template, type faster than I write, can use "copy and paste" when players submit definitions, and easily enter players' votes. Once the data is entered, I never have to enter it anywhere again.

As always, "different strokes"!

Judy



Original message
From: "Dodi Schultz" <DodiSchultz (AT) verizon (DOT) net>
To: dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com;
Dated: 5/29/2015 11:48:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Round 2611 - RESULTS - ADUNC

No, you didn't misunderstand "printout". It's a piece of paper. I note the
votes with an old-fashioned writing stick called a "pen". :-)

—Dodi


=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=


On 5/29/2015 10:12 AM, Judy Madnick wrote:
> Dodi,
> The only difference between what you and I do is that I enter the
> information in a table. I'm able to automatically sort the definitions
> before voting time (or move them as I wish). As the votes come in, I can
> enter them as you see in the table I sent with the results and determine
> totals. There is no need for a printout...ever (or am I misunderstanding
> your mention of a "printout"?).
> Judy
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Original message
> From: "Dodi Schultz" <DodiSchultz (AT) verizon (DOT) net>
> To: dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com;
> Dated: 5/29/2015 9:49:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Round 2611 - RESULTS - ADUNC
>
>
> The fairly simple program Dodi uses on the rare occasions when Dodi deals
> is called E-Mail (or, as some spell it, Email).
>
> It's very easy to note the votes, as they come in, on a printout of the
> original defs list (obviously no special program is needed to write a
> message with a list of definitions). It's also very easy to add author and
> vote information to that message and send the results.
>
> —Dodi
>
>

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