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JohnB
October 17th, 2014, 04:09 PM
Dixonarians

I have updated the used word lists in dixonary.net up to the current
round (2551 AMBAY)

the Files:
Words123.txt has the words in round order
Wordsabc.txt has the words in alphabetical order
Wordsdix.zip has both the above files

they can be found at

http://www.dixonary.net/old-game-archive/used-word-list


FYI: if a word is preceded by an asterisk it means that it was proposed
but not played (probably too many DQs)

If anyone still needs the .dix files then merely rename or copy the
appropriate .txt file
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Shani Naylor
October 17th, 2014, 09:19 PM
Thanks Johnny

As a (relative) newbie, it's a good time to ask a couple of questions:

Firstly, I had a look at the alphabetical list and spotted "MOTHER CAREY'S
CHICKENS". Is this sort of word still OK under the current rules?

Also, I've seen a lot of dealers use the words "capitalization not
significant". Does this mean the word could be a proper noun (ie with a
capitalized first letter)? Are these words OK to use?

Just wondering.....

Shani

On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 10:09 AM, JohnB <johnb (AT) john-barrs (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

> Dixonarians
>
> I have updated the used word lists in dixonary.net up to the current
> round (2551 AMBAY)
>
> the Files:
> Words123.txt has the words in round order
> Wordsabc.txt has the words in alphabetical order
> Wordsdix.zip has both the above files
>
> they can be found at
>
> http://www.dixonary.net/old-game-archive/used-word-list
>
>
> FYI: if a word is preceded by an asterisk it means that it was proposed
> but not played (probably too many DQs)
>
> If anyone still needs the .dix files then merely rename or copy the
> appropriate .txt file
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Dodi Schultz
October 17th, 2014, 10:39 PM
It's always been my understanding that two- or three-word phrases are
permitted, although they've been very few and far between. Zipping very
quickly back through the latter part of the list, I see we had them in
rounds 2444, 2104, 1993 . . . (I didn't go back further).

I don't THINK that proper nouns are permitted, except in the sort of
example Shani gave, where it's obvious that in u/lc, the first two words
would be capped.

---Dodi

=========================

On 10/17/2014 10:19 PM, Shani Naylor wrote:
> Thanks Johnny
> As a (relative) newbie, it's a good time to ask a couple of questions:
>
> Firstly, I had a look at the alphabetical list and spotted "MOTHER
> CAREY'S CHICKENS". Is this sort of word still OK under the current rules?
>
> Also, I've seen a lot of dealers use the words "capitalization not
> significant". Does this mean the word could be a proper noun (ie with a
> capitalized first letter)? Are these words OK to use?
>
> Just wondering.....
>
> Shani

=========================
>
> On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 10:09 AM, JohnB <johnb (AT) john-barrs (DOT) co.uk
> <mailto:johnb (AT) john-barrs (DOT) co.uk>> wrote:
>
> Dixonarians
>
> I have updated the used word lists in dixonary.net
> <http://dixonary.net> up to the current round (2551 AMBAY)
>
> the Files:
> Words123.txt has the words in round order
> Wordsabc.txt has the words in alphabetical order
> Wordsdix.zip has both the above files
>
> they can be found at
>
> http://www.dixonary.net/old-game-archive/used-word-list
>
>
> FYI: if a word is preceded by an asterisk it means that it was
> proposed but not played (probably too many DQs)
>
> If anyone still needs the .dix files then merely rename or copy the
> appropriate .txt file
> --
> *JohnnyB*
>

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Jim Hart
October 17th, 2014, 11:10 PM
Shani - I'm no rules expert but here's my 0.02.

As far as I'm aware Mother Carey's chickens would be as acceptable today as
it was back in round 23, although it would lack the playfulness of the
original as Theresa Carey was one of Dixonary's founders and an active
player for many years.

Not too long ago I dealt Up Jenkins and got away with it.

So in principle I don't think there is a problem with dealing a proper noun
provided it's in a dictionary. Whether it would be a good choice is an
entirely different story.

Jim



On Saturday, 18 October 2014 13:19:09 UTC+11, Shani Naylor wrote:
>
> Thanks Johnny
>
> As a (relative) newbie, it's a good time to ask a couple of questions:
>
> Firstly, I had a look at the alphabetical list and spotted "MOTHER CAREY'S
> CHICKENS". Is this sort of word still OK under the current rules?
>
> Also, I've seen a lot of dealers use the words "capitalization not
> significant". Does this mean the word could be a proper noun (ie with a
> capitalized first letter)? Are these words OK to use?
>
> Just wondering.....
>
> Shani
>
> On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 10:09 AM, JohnB <jo... (AT) john-barrs (DOT) co.uk
> <javascript:>> wrote:
>
>> Dixonarians
>>
>> I have updated the used word lists in dixonary.net up to the current
>> round (2551 AMBAY)
>>
>> the Files:
>> Words123.txt has the words in round order
>> Wordsabc.txt has the words in alphabetical order
>> Wordsdix.zip has both the above files
>>
>> they can be found at
>>
>> http://www.dixonary.net/old-game-archive/used-word-list
>>
>>
>> FYI: if a word is preceded by an asterisk it means that it was proposed
>> but not played (probably too many DQs)
>>
>> If anyone still needs the .dix files then merely rename or copy the
>> appropriate .txt file
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Jim Hart
October 17th, 2014, 11:16 PM
Thanks John but you might note that the description of WORDSABC.TXT is the
same as for WORDS123.TXT.

Jim.txt


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Daniel Widdis
October 18th, 2014, 12:46 AM
I love "multi word" words and have dealt a few myself. (My personal
favorite was 'gong farmer'.) So long as the two words are a single
dictionary entry, they are fair game.

I think the frequent use of "capitalization not significant" is because
many of us use the same dealing software which has that in its
template. It's the overwhelming default that we have all lowercase
words that I've omitted that for some time now, as it can be assumed.
We should not deal proper nouns (names, cities, countries, etc.) but I
can envision a few cases where capitalization might actually matter.
For example platonic has a very different meaning than Platonic. When I
blow things up on New Years Eve, they make a big bang, but not a Big
Bang. Scanning the used words list, I see "rMu" and don't recall what
it meant, but I'm pretty sure the capitalization mattered there.



On 10/17/14, 7:19 PM, Shani Naylor wrote:
> Thanks Johnny
> As a (relative) newbie, it's a good time to ask a couple of questions:
>
> Firstly, I had a look at the alphabetical list and spotted "MOTHER
> CAREY'S CHICKENS". Is this sort of word still OK under the current rules?
>
> Also, I've seen a lot of dealers use the words "capitalization not
> significant". Does this mean the word could be a proper noun (ie with
> a capitalized first letter)? Are these words OK to use?
>
> Just wondering.....
>
> Shani

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JohnB
October 18th, 2014, 05:04 AM
Ah well! I am beginning to get more things wrong as my memory deteriorates

Thanks: that is now corrected - as is the comment below about .DIX files
*

John*
On 18/10/2014 05:16, Jim Hart wrote:
> Thanks John but you might note that the description of WORDSABC.TXT is
> the same as for WORDS123.TXT.
>
> Jim.txt
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—Keith Hale—
October 18th, 2014, 07:56 AM
Well, i don't deal very often, but i have wondered these questions myself.

There are many proper nouns in the dictionary, and i would think that any
one of them might be fair game --- IF it meant something that wouldn't
result in a "DQ-nado" of epic proportions.

IN that somewhat unlikely case, *would i have to state that the first
letter in the word MUST be capitalised? *

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Dodi Schultz
October 18th, 2014, 09:15 AM
Keith, what I think has been agreed is that we don't use proper nouns,
except as they may occur as part of a two- or three-word phrase, as in
"plaster of Paris" (which would be permissible, while "Paris" alone would not).

--Dodi

=====================


On 10/18/2014 8:56 AM, Keith Hale wrote:
> Well, i don't deal very often, but i have wondered these questions myself.
>
> There are many proper nouns in the dictionary, and i would think that any
> one of them might be fair game --- IF it meant something that wouldn't
> result in a "DQ-nado" of epic proportions.
>
> IN that somewhat unlikely case, /would i have to state that the first
> letter in the word MUST be capitalised? /
>

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France International/Mike Shefler
October 18th, 2014, 09:31 AM
I dealt one word (rMu) where capitalization _did_ matter.

--Mike

On 10/18/2014 1:46 AM, Daniel Widdis wrote:
> I love "multi word" words and have dealt a few myself. (My personal
> favorite was 'gong farmer'.) So long as the two words are a single
> dictionary entry, they are fair game.
>
> I think the frequent use of "capitalization not significant" is
> because many of us use the same dealing software which has that in its
> template. It's the overwhelming default that we have all lowercase
> words that I've omitted that for some time now, as it can be assumed.
> We should not deal proper nouns (names, cities, countries, etc.) but I
> can envision a few cases where capitalization might actually matter.
> For example platonic has a very different meaning than Platonic. When
> I blow things up on New Years Eve, they make a big bang, but not a Big
> Bang. Scanning the used words list, I see "rMu" and don't recall what
> it meant, but I'm pretty sure the capitalization mattered there.
>
>
>
> On 10/17/14, 7:19 PM, Shani Naylor wrote:
>> Thanks Johnny
>> As a (relative) newbie, it's a good time to ask a couple of questions:
>>
>> Firstly, I had a look at the alphabetical list and spotted "MOTHER
>> CAREY'S CHICKENS". Is this sort of word still OK under the current
>> rules?
>>
>> Also, I've seen a lot of dealers use the words "capitalization not
>> significant". Does this mean the word could be a proper noun (ie with
>> a capitalized first letter)? Are these words OK to use?
>>
>> Just wondering.....
>>
>> Shani
>

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—Keith Hale—
October 18th, 2014, 10:13 AM
Could you send me\us the definition of rMu? All i can find is a University
with those initials. Intriguing to have an internal capital!


On 18 October 2014 09:31, France International/Mike Shefler <
stamps (AT) salsgiver (DOT) com> wrote:

> I dealt one word (rMu) where capitalization _did_ matter.
>
> --Mike
>
>
> On 10/18/2014 1:46 AM, Daniel Widdis wrote:
>
>> I love "multi word" words and have dealt a few myself. (My personal
>> favorite was 'gong farmer'.) So long as the two words are a single
>> dictionary entry, they are fair game.
>>
>> I think the frequent use of "capitalization not significant" is because
>> many of us use the same dealing software which has that in its template.
>> It's the overwhelming default that we have all lowercase words that I've
>> omitted that for some time now, as it can be assumed. We should not deal
>> proper nouns (names, cities, countries, etc.) but I can envision a few
>> cases where capitalization might actually matter. For example platonic has
>> a very different meaning than Platonic. When I blow things up on New Years
>> Eve, they make a big bang, but not a Big Bang. Scanning the used words
>> list, I see "rMu" and don't recall what it meant, but I'm pretty sure the
>> capitalization mattered there.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/17/14, 7:19 PM, Shani Naylor wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Johnny
>>> As a (relative) newbie, it's a good time to ask a couple of questions:
>>>
>>> Firstly, I had a look at the alphabetical list and spotted "MOTHER
>>> CAREY'S CHICKENS". Is this sort of word still OK under the current rules?
>>>
>>> Also, I've seen a lot of dealers use the words "capitalization not
>>> significant". Does this mean the word could be a proper noun (ie with a
>>> capitalized first letter)? Are these words OK to use?
>>>
>>> Just wondering.....
>>>
>>> Shani
>>>
>>
>>
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France International/Mike Shefler
October 18th, 2014, 10:21 AM
It was in the Dictionary of Gods and Goddesses, Devils and Demons [Manfred Lurker] as some kind of Tibetan God. I can't find the book right now or I'd give you the exact meaning.

--Mike



On 10/18/2014 11:13 AM, —Keith Hale— wrote:


Could you send me\us the definition of rMu?Â* All i can find is a University with those initials.Â* Intriguing to have an internal capital!




On 18 October 2014 09:31, France International/Mike Shefler &lt;stamps (AT) salsgiver (DOT) com&gt; wrote:
I dealt one word (rMu) where capitalization _did_ matter.

--Mike





On 10/18/2014 1:46 AM, Daniel Widdis wrote:
I love "multi word" words and have dealt a few myself. (My personal favorite was 'gong farmer'.)Â* So long as the two words are a single dictionary entry, they are fair game.

I think the frequent use of "capitalization not significant" is because many of us use the same dealing software which has that in its template.Â* It's the overwhelming default that we have all lowercase words that I've omitted that for some time now, as it can be assumed.Â* We should not deal proper nouns (names, cities, countries, etc.) but I can envision a few cases where capitalization might actually matter.Â* For example platonic has a very different meaning than Platonic.Â* When I blow things up on New Years Eve, they make a big bang, but not a Big Bang.Â* Scanning the used words list, I see "rMu" and don't recall what it meant, but I'm pretty sure the capitalization mattered there.



On 10/17/14, 7:19 PM, Shani Naylor wrote:
Thanks Johnny
As a (relative) newbie, it's a good time to ask a couple of questions:

Firstly, I had a look at the alphabetical list and spotted "MOTHER CAREY'S CHICKENS". Is this sort of word still OK under the current rules?

Also, I've seen a lot of dealers use the words "capitalization not significant". Does this mean the word could be a proper noun (ie with a capitalized first letter)? Are these words OK to use?

Just wondering.....

Shani


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Jim Hart
October 18th, 2014, 04:58 PM
Keith,

>
*would i have to state that the first letter in the word MUST be
capitalised? *
My off-the-cuff answer is no as it's the dealer's prerogative to add extra
information. Or not. And you can present it in upper/lower case or all caps
as you wish.

For a proper noun to be in a dictionary implies that it has a meaning
beyond its original naming function. So I would say John Hancock is OK if
the definition is a signature but obviously not if it's simply the name of
any one of millions of chaps. Ditto ex-trade names though by the time they
become generic they are usually also lowercase.

Jim



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Paul Keating
October 19th, 2014, 02:12 AM
IN that somewhat unlikely case, would i have to state that the first letter in the word MUST be capitalised?


I have never once seen a dealer do that, so if we follow precedent, the answer must be no. Only that you omit to say that it need not be.

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Hugo Kornelis
October 19th, 2014, 03:51 AM
I have sometimes included a phrase like "no clues about capitalization
given". Leaving it up to the reader to decide whether to interpret it as
a normal word, a proper noun, or even an abbreviation.

Cheers,
Hugo


Paul Keating schreef op 19-10-2014 9:12:
> Re: [Dixonary] Re: New Word lists in Dixonary.net
>
>
>
> IN that somewhat unlikely case, /would i have to state that the first
> letter in the word MUST be capitalised?
> /
>
>
>
> I have never once seen a dealer do that, so if we follow precedent,
> the answer must be no. Only that you omit to say that it need not be.
>
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