[Dixonary] Round 2548: GROUGH results

[Daniel Widdis]

In round 2548, there was a five-way tie for the lead, each player with
five points: Tim Bourne, Dave Cunningham, Tim Lodge, Shani Naylor and
Mike Shefler.

Shani and Dave's scores came from guessing correctly, so they can be
relieved they don't have to deal. Of the remaining three, Tim Lodge
sits atop the Rolling Scores list and gets the honor of dealing Round 2549.

The real definition was from Collins: "(mountaineering) a natural
channel or fissure in a peat moor; a peat hag." Somewhat like Dave
Cunningham when voting, I just couldn't resist the "peat hag". Tim
Bourne must have had an inkling of the true meaning when submitting his
definition, "a deep cleft in peat moorland, usually caused by water
erosion" so the D5 which is worth nothing to me is worth 5 points to him.

Despite my promise during Hugo's recent deal that I would not deal a
word with Dutch etymology, Collins does cite the origin of grough as an
obsolete variant of gruff, or coarse, from the Middle Dutch "grof". Our
resident dictionary, Mr. Barrs, was well aware of this obsolete term,
but the peat hag was sufficiently removed from his memory that he did
not recognize the true definition until after voting, so while I may
have a D5, I will celebrate a moral victory and notch a "B0" for fooling
JohnnyB.

1. (colloq.) the currawong, a medium-sized passerine bird of the
Artamidae family; possibly named for its gutteral call and superficial
resemblance to the chough (fam. /Corvidae/)
Vote from: Knoblauch
Submitted by: Hart, who scores natural 1.
2. a narrow channel cut in the bank of a stream to divert the flow
through a flume for panning
Votes from: Bourne, Kornelis, Madnick, Mallach and Schultz
Submitted by: Shefler, who scores natural 5.
3. (mountaineering) a natural channel or fissure in a peat moor; a
peat hag
Votes from: Cunningham, Hale, Kornelis, Madnick and Naylor
Real definition from Collins English Dictionary
Submitted by: Bourne, who scores natural 5.
4. a hardy forage grass, /Agrostis norvegis/, native to Scandinavia
No votes
Submitted by: Schultz.
5. a derogatory sailor's term for an incompetent officer
Votes from: Barrs and Shefler
Submitted by: Mallach, who scores natural 2.
6. (of wine) having a bitter and muddy after-taste
No votes
Submitted by: Kornelis, who scores 0 + 2, total 2.
7. [Eire; Gaelic] a dried-up lake bed
Votes from: Cunningham, Graham and Lodge
Submitted by: Barrs, who scores natural 3.
8. spiny fruit-bearing shrub
No votes
Submitted by: Madnick, who scores 0 + 2, total 2.
9. a seasonal marsh
Votes from: Bourne, Graham, Hart, Mallach and Weltz
Submitted by: Lodge, who scores natural 5.
10. bone marrow
Vote from: Morgan
Submitted by: Hale, who scores 1 + 2, total 3.
11. elderly; senile
No votes
Submitted by: Stevens.
12. debilitated, sickly
Vote from: Stevens
Submitted by: Morgan, who scores natural 1.
13. [obs] a complaint or grievance
Vote from: Barrs
Submitted by: Abell, who scores natural 1.
14. /Scots/ a low-lying meadow in a river valley
Vote from: Lodge
Submitted by: Carson, who scores natural 1.
15. mineral pellets used in water-conditioning systems
No votes
Submitted by: Graham.
16. a rise in the ground preventing the flow of water (see /slough/)
Votes from: Hart, Naylor and Weltz
Submitted by: Cunningham, who scores 3 + 2, total 5.
17. low brushy growth found in the pine barrens of the Northeastern U.S.
Votes from: Knoblauch and Morgan
Submitted by: Weltz, who scores natural 2.
18. a plow with a removable coulter which can turn the soil to either
the right or the left
Vote from: Shefler
Submitted by: Knoblauch, who scores natural 1.
19. the smell given off by animal substances, esp. of a fatty or greasy
nature, when cooked or burnt. Also: any strong or unpleasant odour,
vapour, etc.
Votes from: Hale, Schultz and Stevens
Submitted by: Naylor, who scores 3 + 2, total 5.

Player Def Voted for Votes Guess DP Total
------ --- --------- ----- ----- -- -----
Lodge 9 7 & 14 5 5
Shefler 2 5 & 18 5 5
Bourne 3 2 & 9 5 5
Naylor 19 *3* & 16 3 2 5
Cunningham 16 *3* & 7 3 2 5
Barrs 7 5 & 13 3 3
Hale 10 *3* & 19 1 2 3
Mallach 5 2 & 9 2 2
Weltz 17 9 & 16 2 2
Kornelis 6 2 & *3* 0 2 2
Madnick 8 2 & *3* 0 2 2
Knoblauch 18 1 & 17 1 1
Abell 13 N/V 1 1
Carson 14 N/V 1 1
Hart 1 9 & 16 1 1
Morgan 12 10 & 17 1 1
Graham 15 7 & 9 0 0
Schultz 4 2 & 19 0 0
Stevens 11 12 & 19 0 0

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[Tim B]

> Tim Bourne must have had an inkling of the true meaning when submitting his definition, "a deep
> cleft in peat moorland, usually caused by water erosion" so the D5 which is worth nothing to me is
> worth 5 points to him.

An inkling, yes, but I thought the word I had in mind was spelled differently by at least two
letters, something like clough, so I thought I was far enough away. Obviously my memory was faulty!
Maybe I did come across the word when walking in the Peak District, though in a quick search I can't
find it used in any walk descriptions.

Best wishes,
Tim Bourne.

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[JohnB]

Tim

try this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleaklow
*
*as I said to Dan**after I had voted and looked it up, I did a field
course study on the hags on Plynlimon and a hag is the dried out edge
of a grough - that is why I was annoyed about my memory (OK, it was back
in 1963, but I should have remembered)

*JohnnyB*
On 07/10/2014 21:52, Tim B wrote:
>
>> Tim Bourne must have had an inkling of the true meaning when
>> submitting his definition, "a deep
>> cleft in peat moorland, usually caused by water erosion" so the D5
>> which is worth nothing to me is
>> worth 5 points to him.
>
> An inkling, yes, but I thought the word I had in mind was spelled
> differently by at least two letters, something like clough, so I
> thought I was far enough away. Obviously my memory was faulty! Maybe I
> did come across the word when walking in the Peak District, though in
> a quick search I can't find it used in any walk descriptions.
>
> Best wishes,
> Tim Bourne.
>

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[Tim B]

>
> try this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleaklow

Thanks. I wonder whether there was another similar word I had in mind, but maybe it was just a
faulty memory; it's many years since I was in that area.

Best wishes,
Tim Bourne.

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[Tim Lodge]

Interestingly, GROUGH is in my printed Collins dictionary, but I can't find
it in the online OED.

-- Tim L

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