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Rose Knoblauch
September 30th, 2014, 11:50 PM
The runaway winner and new dealer is Hugo Kornelius with a score of 7 +2
= 9. Congratulations!

"Wentletrap" comes from the Dutch word for spiral staircase, and is a
marine snail with a beautiful spiral shell.



1. a clasp connecting the bit to the reins.

Voted for by:

FROM Dick Weltz who voted 11 and 16, and scores 0 + 0 = 0


2. A raised steel mesh used at a gate or doorway to catch the painful
"stickers" of puncturevine (a.k.a. goatheads), and other bur-producing
plants such as lawnweed and sand burs - from shoe soles before they can
enter a home or workplace.

Voted for by: Daniel Widdis, Mike Shefler

FROM Keith Hale who voted 6 and 8, and scores 2 + 0 = 2


3. a light, two-wheeled carriage, traditionally used for travel within the
boundaries of a country estate.

Voted for by: Tim Bourne, Guerri Stevens, Judy Madnick, Tony Abell

FROM Dodi Schultz who was DQ and scores 4 + 0 = 4


4. an instrument for drawing ellipses, one part of which consists of a
cross with two grooves at right angles to each other, the other being a
beam carrying two pins (which slide in those grooves), and also the
describing pencil.

Voted for by: Shani Naylor

FROM Daniel Widdis who voted 2 and 14, and scores 1 + 0 = 1


5. hole in a pin rail or fife rail of a sailing vessel, into which a
belaying pin may be inserted.

Voted for by: Shani Naylor

FROM Efrem Mallach who voted 7 and 9, and scores 1 + 2 = 3


6. _York._ a conveyance.

Voted for by: Tim Lodge, Keith Hale

FROM Dave Cunningham who voted 10 and 14 , and scores 2 + 0 = 2


7. a person who interferes with or spoils others' fun; a killjoy.

Voted for by: Tim Bourne, Millie Morgan, Efrem Mallach

FROM Shani Naylor who voted 4 and 5, and scores 3 + 0 = 3


8. a children's game similar to Parcheesi played on a rectangular board
with three parallel tracks passing through various hazards.

Voted for by: Keith Hale

FROM Mike Shefler who voted 2 and 14, and scores 1 + 0 = 1


9. a type of marine mollusk with a white spiral shell.

Voted for by: JohnnyB, Efrem Mallach, Tony Abell, Hugo Kornelius, Jim Hart,
Christopher Carson

FROM the dictionary


10. _Hist._ from the 12th to the 17th centuries in Banat, Crisana,
Maramures and Transylvania (all in modern-day Romania), a form of land
tenure in which some days of labor by the tenant for the landlord took the
place of rent.

Voted for by: Dave Cunningham

FROM Tim Lodge who voted 6 and 14, and scores 1 + 0 = 1


11. the seedhead of any of the genus Taraxacum or dandelion.

Voted for by: Dick Weltz

FROM Jim Hart who voted 9 and 14, and scores 1 + 2 = 3


12. an open buggy.

Voted for by:

FROM Guerri Stevens who voted 3 and 18, and scores 0 + 0 = 0


13. a quick South African folk dance.

Voted for by: Hugo Kornelius

FROM Judy Madnick who voted 3 and 16, and scores 1 + 0 = 1


14. a spiral-shaped fyke net.

Voted for by: Daniel Widdis, Tim Lodge, JohnnyB, Mike Shefler, Dave
Cunningham, Jim Hart, Christopher Carson

FROM Hugo Kornelius
who voted 9 and 13, and scores 7 + 2 = 9


15. _obs._ a poultice for boils made of mustard-seed.

Voted for by: Millie Morgan

FROM JohnnyB who voted 9 and 14, and scores 1 + 2 = 3


16. a farmer's cart, especially one for hauling manure, that can be tilted
to discharge its load.

Voted for by: Judy Madnick, Dick Weltz

FROM Millie Morgan who voted 7 and 15, and scores 2 + 0 = 2


17. _archaic_ Any of several dark, fine grained igneous rocks often used
in making roads.

Voted for by:

FROM Christopher Carson, who voted 9 and 14 and scores 0 + 2 = 2


18. a device for preventing the capture of undersized fish in trawl nets.

Voted for by: Guerri Stevens

FROM TimB who voted 3 and 7, and scores 1 + 0 = 0


Tony Abell, from whom I did not receive a definition, voted 3 and 9 and
scores 0 + 2 =2

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Hugo Kornelis
October 1st, 2014, 12:15 AM
Thanks, Rose!

I'm at a conference now. New word will be up tonight (CEST) - about
12-15 hours after the time of this mail. Please have patience.

Cheers,
Hugo

Rose Knoblauch schreef op 1-10-2014 6:50:
>
> The runaway winner and new dealer is Hugo Kornelius with a score of 7
> +2 = 9. Congratulations!
>
> "Wentletrap" comes from the Dutch word for spiral staircase, and is a
> marine snail with a beautiful spiral shell.
>
>
>
> 1. a clasp connecting the bit to the reins.
>
> Voted for by:
>
> FROM Dick Weltz who voted 11 and 16, and scores 0 + 0 = 0
>
> 2. A raised steel mesh used at a gate or doorway to catch the painful
> "stickers" of puncturevine (a.k.a. goatheads), and other bur-producing
> plants such as lawnweed and sand burs - from shoe soles before they
> can enter a home or workplace.
>
> Voted for by: Daniel Widdis, Mike Shefler
>
> FROM Keith Hale who voted 6 and 8, and scores 2 + 0 = 2
>
>
> 3. a light, two-wheeled carriage, traditionally used for travel within
> the boundaries of a country estate.
>
> Voted for by: Tim Bourne, Guerri Stevens, Judy Madnick, Tony Abell
>
> FROM Dodi Schultz who was DQ and scores 4 + 0 = 4
>
> 4. an instrument for drawing ellipses, one part of which consists of a
> cross with two grooves at right angles to each other, the other being
> a beam carrying two pins (which slide in those grooves), and also the
> describing pencil.
>
> Voted for by: Shani Naylor
>
> FROM Daniel Widdis who voted 2 and 14, and scores 1 + 0 = 1
>
> 5. hole in a pin rail or fife rail of a sailing vessel, into which a
> belaying pin may be inserted.
>
> Voted for by: Shani Naylor
>
> FROM Efrem Mallach who voted 7 and 9, and scores 1 + 2 = 3
>
> 6. _York._ a conveyance.
>
> Voted for by: Tim Lodge, Keith Hale
>
> FROM Dave Cunningham who voted 10 and 14 , and scores 2 + 0 = 2
>
> 7. a person who interferes with or spoils others' fun; a killjoy.
>
> Voted for by: Tim Bourne, Millie Morgan, Efrem Mallach
>
> FROM Shani Naylor who voted 4 and 5, and scores 3 + 0 = 3
>
> 8. a children's game similar to Parcheesi played on a rectangular
> board with three parallel tracks passing through various hazards.
>
> Voted for by: Keith Hale
>
> FROM Mike Shefler who voted 2 and 14, and scores 1 + 0 = 1
>
> 9. a type of marine mollusk with a white spiral shell.
>
> Voted for by: JohnnyB, Efrem Mallach, Tony Abell, Hugo Kornelius, Jim
> Hart, Christopher Carson
>
> FROM the dictionary
>
> 10. _Hist._ from the 12th to the 17th centuries in Banat, Crisana,
> Maramures and Transylvania (all in modern-day Romania), a form of land
> tenure in which some days of labor by the tenant for the landlord took
> the place of rent.
>
> Voted for by: Dave Cunningham
>
> FROM Tim Lodge who voted 6 and 14, and scores 1 + 0 = 1
>
> 11. the seedhead of any of the genus Taraxacum or dandelion.
>
> Voted for by: Dick Weltz
>
> FROM Jim Hart who voted 9 and 14, and scores 1 + 2 = 3
>
>
> 12. an open buggy.
>
> Voted for by:
>
> FROM Guerri Stevens who voted 3 and 18, and scores 0 + 0 = 0
>
> 13. a quick South African folk dance.
>
> Voted for by: Hugo Kornelius
>
> FROM Judy Madnick who voted 3 and 16, and scores 1 + 0 = 1
>
> 14. a spiral-shaped fyke net.
>
> Voted for by: Daniel Widdis, Tim Lodge, JohnnyB, Mike Shefler, Dave
> Cunningham, Jim Hart, Christopher Carson
>
> FROM Hugo Kornelius
> who voted 9 and 13, and scores 7 + 2 = 9
>
>
> 15. _obs._ a poultice for boils made of mustard-seed.
>
> Voted for by: Millie Morgan
>
> FROM JohnnyB who voted 9 and 14, and scores 1 + 2 = 3
>
> 16. a farmer's cart, especially one for hauling manure, that can be
> tilted to discharge its load.
>
> Voted for by: Judy Madnick, Dick Weltz
>
> FROM Millie Morgan who voted 7 and 15, and scores 2 + 0 = 2
>
>
> 17. _archaic_ Any of several dark, fine grained igneous rocks often
> used in making roads.
>
> Voted for by:
>
> FROM Christopher Carson, who voted 9 and 14 and scores 0 + 2 = 2
>
> 18. a device for preventing the capture of undersized fish in trawl nets.
>
> Voted for by: Guerri Stevens
>
> FROM TimB who voted 3 and 7, and scores 1 + 0 = 0
>
> Tony Abell, from whom I did not receive a definition, voted 3 and 9
> and scores 0 + 2 =2
>
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Hugo Kornelis
October 2nd, 2014, 03:50 PM
Hi all,

I did not get around to it until now, but there is actually something I
wanted to bring up after the previous round.

When Rose posted the word, I obviously immediately recognised it as
being extremely similar to the Dutch word "wenteltrap" (spiral
staircase). But I had never seen that word in English text. Should I
have DQ'ed? I think not, after all the sheer fact that a combination of
letters or sounds has a meaning in Dutch does not imply is has the same
meaning in English.

I did not, and decided to postpone my choice until the word list was
posted. And I also crafted a def that combines the spiral element of
"wentel" (literally: revolve) with the English word trap. I think that
is perfectly legit.

When the def list was posted, I immediately scanned it for spiral
staircases. If there had been one, should I have DQ'ed? (If I had, it
would have been an unjustified DQ in this case, but I am asking in
generic. It is not unlikely that there will be a round with a word that
is literally and unchanged taken from Dutch).

After seeing no spiral staircases, I decided I was good to vote and
checked the list. The spiral shell appealed to me, because it fitted my
knowledge of the Dutch word "wenteltrap" very well. Did that give me an
unfair advantage in this round? Should I have skipped over it, or even
DQ'ed at all? Or was I allowed to cast this vote - after all, it is also
possible that someone with some knowledge of Dutch (or, more likely,
German which has the almost same word for spiral staircases:
"Wendeltrappe") deliberately submitted a def crafted on a fake
Dutch/German etymology. (It is a trick I sometimes use when submitting
my fake defs).

Over all, I think I made the right choices at every point where I had to
choose, but I did have a lot of moments of doubt, and I would like to
hear if there are other people who would have made other choices, and why.

Cheers,
Hugo

Rose Knoblauch schreef op 1-10-2014 6:50:
>
> The runaway winner and new dealer is Hugo Kornelius with a score of 7
> +2 = 9. Congratulations!
>
> "Wentletrap" comes from the Dutch word for spiral staircase, and is a
> marine snail with a beautiful spiral shell.
>
>
>
> 1. a clasp connecting the bit to the reins.
>
> Voted for by:
>
> FROM Dick Weltz who voted 11 and 16, and scores 0 + 0 = 0
>
> 2. A raised steel mesh used at a gate or doorway to catch the painful
> "stickers" of puncturevine (a.k.a. goatheads), and other bur-producing
> plants such as lawnweed and sand burs - from shoe soles before they
> can enter a home or workplace.
>
> Voted for by: Daniel Widdis, Mike Shefler
>
> FROM Keith Hale who voted 6 and 8, and scores 2 + 0 = 2
>
>
> 3. a light, two-wheeled carriage, traditionally used for travel within
> the boundaries of a country estate.
>
> Voted for by: Tim Bourne, Guerri Stevens, Judy Madnick, Tony Abell
>
> FROM Dodi Schultz who was DQ and scores 4 + 0 = 4
>
> 4. an instrument for drawing ellipses, one part of which consists of a
> cross with two grooves at right angles to each other, the other being
> a beam carrying two pins (which slide in those grooves), and also the
> describing pencil.
>
> Voted for by: Shani Naylor
>
> FROM Daniel Widdis who voted 2 and 14, and scores 1 + 0 = 1
>
> 5. hole in a pin rail or fife rail of a sailing vessel, into which a
> belaying pin may be inserted.
>
> Voted for by: Shani Naylor
>
> FROM Efrem Mallach who voted 7 and 9, and scores 1 + 2 = 3
>
> 6. _York._ a conveyance.
>
> Voted for by: Tim Lodge, Keith Hale
>
> FROM Dave Cunningham who voted 10 and 14 , and scores 2 + 0 = 2
>
> 7. a person who interferes with or spoils others' fun; a killjoy.
>
> Voted for by: Tim Bourne, Millie Morgan, Efrem Mallach
>
> FROM Shani Naylor who voted 4 and 5, and scores 3 + 0 = 3
>
> 8. a children's game similar to Parcheesi played on a rectangular
> board with three parallel tracks passing through various hazards.
>
> Voted for by: Keith Hale
>
> FROM Mike Shefler who voted 2 and 14, and scores 1 + 0 = 1
>
> 9. a type of marine mollusk with a white spiral shell.
>
> Voted for by: JohnnyB, Efrem Mallach, Tony Abell, Hugo Kornelius, Jim
> Hart, Christopher Carson
>
> FROM the dictionary
>
> 10. _Hist._ from the 12th to the 17th centuries in Banat, Crisana,
> Maramures and Transylvania (all in modern-day Romania), a form of land
> tenure in which some days of labor by the tenant for the landlord took
> the place of rent.
>
> Voted for by: Dave Cunningham
>
> FROM Tim Lodge who voted 6 and 14, and scores 1 + 0 = 1
>
> 11. the seedhead of any of the genus Taraxacum or dandelion.
>
> Voted for by: Dick Weltz
>
> FROM Jim Hart who voted 9 and 14, and scores 1 + 2 = 3
>
>
> 12. an open buggy.
>
> Voted for by:
>
> FROM Guerri Stevens who voted 3 and 18, and scores 0 + 0 = 0
>
> 13. a quick South African folk dance.
>
> Voted for by: Hugo Kornelius
>
> FROM Judy Madnick who voted 3 and 16, and scores 1 + 0 = 1
>
> 14. a spiral-shaped fyke net.
>
> Voted for by: Daniel Widdis, Tim Lodge, JohnnyB, Mike Shefler, Dave
> Cunningham, Jim Hart, Christopher Carson
>
> FROM Hugo Kornelius
> who voted 9 and 13, and scores 7 + 2 = 9
>
>
> 15. _obs._ a poultice for boils made of mustard-seed.
>
> Voted for by: Millie Morgan
>
> FROM JohnnyB who voted 9 and 14, and scores 1 + 2 = 3
>
> 16. a farmer's cart, especially one for hauling manure, that can be
> tilted to discharge its load.
>
> Voted for by: Judy Madnick, Dick Weltz
>
> FROM Millie Morgan who voted 7 and 15, and scores 2 + 0 = 2
>
>
> 17. _archaic_ Any of several dark, fine grained igneous rocks often
> used in making roads.
>
> Voted for by:
>
> FROM Christopher Carson, who voted 9 and 14 and scores 0 + 2 = 2
>
> 18. a device for preventing the capture of undersized fish in trawl nets.
>
> Voted for by: Guerri Stevens
>
> FROM TimB who voted 3 and 7, and scores 1 + 0 = 0
>
> Tony Abell, from whom I did not receive a definition, voted 3 and 9
> and scores 0 + 2 =2
>
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France International/Mike Shefler
October 2nd, 2014, 04:05 PM
I think it's OK to guess at the meaning of a word from it's derivation - of course, you do so at your own risk.

--Mike



On 10/2/2014 4:50 PM, Hugo Kornelis wrote:


Hi all,

I did not get around to it until now, but there is actually something I wanted to bring up after the previous round.

When Rose posted the word, I obviously immediately recognised it as being extremely similar to the Dutch word "wenteltrap" (spiral staircase). But I had never seen that word in English text. Should I have DQ'ed? I think not, after all the sheer fact that a combination of letters or sounds has a meaning in Dutch does not imply is has the same meaning in English.

I did not, and decided to postpone my choice until the word list was posted. And I also crafted a def that combines the spiral element of "wentel" (literally: revolve) with the English word trap. I think that is perfectly legit.

When the def list was posted, I immediately scanned it for spiral staircases. If there had been one, should I have DQ'ed? (If I had, it would have been an unjustified DQ in this case, but I am asking in generic. It is not unlikely that there will be a round with a word that is literally and unchanged taken from Dutch).

After seeing no spiral staircases, I decided I was good to vote and checked the list. The spiral shell appealed to me, because it fitted my knowledge of the Dutch word "wenteltrap" very well. Did that give me an unfair advantage in this round? Should I have skipped over it, or even DQ'ed at all? Or was I allowed to cast this vote - after all, it is also possible that someone with some knowledge of Dutch (or, more likely, German which has the almost same word for spiral staircases: "Wendeltrappe") deliberately submitted a def crafted on a fake Dutch/German etymology. (It is a trick I sometimes use when submitting my fake defs).

Over all, I think I made the right choices at every point where I had to choose, but I did have a lot of moments of doubt, and I would like to hear if there are other people who would have made other choices, and why.

Cheers,
Hugo



Rose Knoblauch schreef op 1-10-2014 6:50:













The runaway winner and new dealer is Hugo Kornelius with a score of Â*7 +2 Â*= 9. Congratulations!








"Wentletrap" comes from the Dutch word for spiralÂ*staircase, and is a marineÂ*snail with a beautiful spiral shell.


















1. a clasp connecting the bit to the reins.








Voted for by:Â*








FROM Dick Weltz who voted 11 and 16, and scores 0 + 0 = 0



Â*








2. A raised steel mesh used at a gate or doorway to catch the painful "stickers" of puncturevine (a.k.a. goatheads), and other bur-producing plants such as lawnweed and sand burs - from shoe soles before they can enter a home or workplace.








Voted for by: Daniel Widdis, Mike Shefler








FROM Keith Hale who voted 6 and 8, and scores 2 + 0 = 2













3. a light, two-wheeled carriage, traditionally used for travel within the boundaries of a country estate.








Voted for by: Tim Bourne, Guerri Stevens, Judy Madnick, Tony Abell








FROM Dodi Schultz who was DQ Â*and scores 4 + 0 = 4



Â*








4. an instrument for drawing ellipses, one part of which consists of a cross with two grooves at right angles to each other, the other being a beam carrying two pins (which slide in those grooves), and also the describing pencil.








Voted for by: Shani Naylor








FROM Daniel Widdis who voted 2 and 14, and scores 1 + 0 = 1



Â*








5. hole in a pin rail or fife rail of a sailing vessel, into which a belaying pin may be inserted.








Voted for by: Shani Naylor








FROM Â*Efrem Mallach who voted 7 and 9, and scores 1 + 2 = 3








Â*



6. _York._ Â* a conveyance.








Voted for by: Tim Lodge, Keith Hale








FROM Dave Cunningham who voted 10 and 14 , and scores 2 + 0 = 2



Â*








7. a person who interferes with or spoils others' fun; a killjoy.








Voted for by: Tim Bourne, Millie Morgan, Efrem Mallach








FROM Â*Shani Naylor who voted 4 and 5, and scores 3 + 0 = 3



Â*








8. a children's game similar to Parcheesi played on a rectangular board with three parallel tracks passing through various hazards.








Voted for by: Keith Hale








FROM Mike Shefler who voted 2 and 14, and scores 1 + 0 = 1



Â*








9. a type of marine mollusk with a white spiral shell.








Voted for by: JohnnyB, Efrem Mallach, Tony Abell, Hugo Kornelius, Jim Hart, Christopher Carson








FROM Â* the dictionary



Â*








10. _Hist._ from the 12th to the 17th centuries in Banat, Crisana, Maramures and Transylvania (all in modern-day Romania), a form of land tenure in which some days of labor by the tenant for the landlord took the place of rent.








Voted for by: Dave Cunningham








FROM Â*Tim Lodge who voted 6 and 14, and scores 1 + 0 = 1



Â*








11. the seedhead of any of the genus Taraxacum or dandelion.








Voted for by: Dick Weltz








FROM Jim Hart who voted 9 and 14, and scores 1 + 2 = 3













12. an open buggy.








Voted for by:Â*








FROM Guerri Stevens who voted 3 and 18, and scores 0 + 0 = 0



Â*








13. a quick South African folk dance.








Voted for by: Hugo Kornelius








FROM Â*Judy Madnick who voted 3 and 16, and scores 1 + 0 = 1



Â*








14. a spiral-shaped fyke net.








Â*Voted for by: Daniel Widdis, Tim Lodge, JohnnyB, Mike Shefler, Dave Cunningham, Jim Hart, Christopher Carson








FROM Â*Hugo Kornelius



who voted 9 and 13, and scores Â*7 + 2 = 9













15. _obs._ a poultice for boils made of mustard-seed.








Voted for by: Millie Morgan








FROM Â*JohnnyB who voted 9 and 14, and scores 1 + 2 = 3








Â*



16. a farmer's cart, especially one for hauling manure, that can be tilted to discharge its load.








Voted for by: Judy Madnick, Dick Weltz








FROM Millie Morgan Â*who voted 7 and 15, and scores 2 + 0 = 2













17. Â*_archaic_ Any of several dark, fine grained igneous rocks often used in making roads.








Voted for by:Â*








FROM Christopher Carson, who voted 9 and 14 and scores 0 + 2 = 2



Â*








18. a device for preventing the capture of undersized fish in trawl nets.








Voted for by: Guerri Stevens








FROM Â*TimB who voted 3 and 7, and scores Â*1 + 0 = 0








Â*



Tony Abell, from whom I did not receive a definition, voted Â*3 and 9 and scores 0 + 2 =2










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Efrem Mallach
October 2nd, 2014, 04:21 PM
To underscore the "at your own risk" bit: I went the other way. I eliminated everything having to do with the English word "trap" in the sense of either something that catches or a cart. That left fewer than half the definitions to choose from. I confess I got lucky, but assuming that relationships to apparent derivations were the products of devious players' fertile imaginations paid off.

Efrem

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
On Oct 2, 2014, at 5:05 PM, France International/Mike Shefler <stamps (AT) salsgiver (DOT) com> wrote:

> I think it's OK to guess at the meaning of a word from it's derivation - of course, you do so at your own risk.
>
> --Mike
>
> On 10/2/2014 4:50 PM, Hugo Kornelis wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I did not get around to it until now, but there is actually something I wanted to bring up after the previous round.
>>
>> When Rose posted the word, I obviously immediately recognised it as being extremely similar to the Dutch word "wenteltrap" (spiral staircase). But I had never seen that word in English text. Should I have DQ'ed? I think not, after all the sheer fact that a combination of letters or sounds has a meaning in Dutch does not imply is has the same meaning in English.
>>
>> I did not, and decided to postpone my choice until the word list was posted. And I also crafted a def that combines the spiral element of "wentel" (literally: revolve) with the English word trap. I think that is perfectly legit.
>>
>> When the def list was posted, I immediately scanned it for spiral staircases. If there had been one, should I have DQ'ed? (If I had, it would have been an unjustified DQ in this case, but I am asking in generic. It is not unlikely that there will be a round with a word that is literally and unchanged taken from Dutch).
>>
>> After seeing no spiral staircases, I decided I was good to vote and checked the list. The spiral shell appealed to me, because it fitted my knowledge of the Dutch word "wenteltrap" very well. Did that give me an unfair advantage in this round? Should I have skipped over it, or even DQ'ed at all? Or was I allowed to cast this vote - after all, it is also possible that someone with some knowledge of Dutch (or, more likely, German which has the almost same word for spiral staircases: "Wendeltrappe") deliberately submitted a def crafted on a fake Dutch/German etymology. (It is a trick I sometimes use when submitting my fake defs).
>>
>> Over all, I think I made the right choices at every point where I had to choose, but I did have a lot of moments of doubt, and I would like to hear if there are other people who would have made other choices, and why.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Hugo
>>
>> Rose Knoblauch schreef op 1-10-2014 6:50:
>>>
>>> The runaway winner and new dealer is Hugo Kornelius with a score of 7 +2 = 9. Congratulations!
>>>
>>> "Wentletrap" comes from the Dutch word for spiral staircase, and is a marine snail with a beautiful spiral shell.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. a clasp connecting the bit to the reins.
>>>
>>> Voted for by:
>>>
>>> FROM Dick Weltz who voted 11 and 16, and scores 0 + 0 = 0
>>>
>>>
>>> 2. A raised steel mesh used at a gate or doorway to catch the painful "stickers" of puncturevine (a.k.a. goatheads), and other bur-producing plants such as lawnweed and sand burs - from shoe soles before they can enter a home or workplace.
>>>
>>> Voted for by: Daniel Widdis, Mike Shefler
>>>
>>> FROM Keith Hale who voted 6 and 8, and scores 2 + 0 = 2
>>>
>>>
>>> 3. a light, two-wheeled carriage, traditionally used for travel within the boundaries of a country estate.
>>>
>>> Voted for by: Tim Bourne, Guerri Stevens, Judy Madnick, Tony Abell
>>>
>>> FROM Dodi Schultz who was DQ and scores 4 + 0 = 4
>>>
>>>
>>> 4. an instrument for drawing ellipses, one part of which consists of a cross with two grooves at right angles to each other, the other being a beam carrying two pins (which slide in those grooves), and also the describing pencil.
>>>
>>> Voted for by: Shani Naylor
>>>
>>> FROM Daniel Widdis who voted 2 and 14, and scores 1 + 0 = 1
>>>
>>>
>>> 5. hole in a pin rail or fife rail of a sailing vessel, into which a belaying pin may be inserted.
>>>
>>> Voted for by: Shani Naylor
>>>
>>> FROM Efrem Mallach who voted 7 and 9, and scores 1 + 2 = 3
>>>
>>>
>>> 6. _York._ a conveyance.
>>>
>>> Voted for by: Tim Lodge, Keith Hale
>>>
>>> FROM Dave Cunningham who voted 10 and 14 , and scores 2 + 0 = 2
>>>
>>>
>>> 7. a person who interferes with or spoils others' fun; a killjoy.
>>>
>>> Voted for by: Tim Bourne, Millie Morgan, Efrem Mallach
>>>
>>> FROM Shani Naylor who voted 4 and 5, and scores 3 + 0 = 3
>>>
>>>
>>> 8. a children's game similar to Parcheesi played on a rectangular board with three parallel tracks passing through various hazards.
>>>
>>> Voted for by: Keith Hale
>>>
>>> FROM Mike Shefler who voted 2 and 14, and scores 1 + 0 = 1
>>>
>>>
>>> 9. a type of marine mollusk with a white spiral shell.
>>>
>>> Voted for by: JohnnyB, Efrem Mallach, Tony Abell, Hugo Kornelius, Jim Hart, Christopher Carson
>>>
>>> FROM the dictionary
>>>
>>>
>>> 10. _Hist._ from the 12th to the 17th centuries in Banat, Crisana, Maramures and Transylvania (all in modern-day Romania), a form of land tenure in which some days of labor by the tenant for the landlord took the place of rent.
>>>
>>> Voted for by: Dave Cunningham
>>>
>>> FROM Tim Lodge who voted 6 and 14, and scores 1 + 0 = 1
>>>
>>>
>>> 11. the seedhead of any of the genus Taraxacum or dandelion.
>>>
>>> Voted for by: Dick Weltz
>>>
>>> FROM Jim Hart who voted 9 and 14, and scores 1 + 2 = 3
>>>
>>>
>>> 12. an open buggy.
>>>
>>> Voted for by:
>>>
>>> FROM Guerri Stevens who voted 3 and 18, and scores 0 + 0 = 0
>>>
>>>
>>> 13. a quick South African folk dance.
>>>
>>> Voted for by: Hugo Kornelius
>>>
>>> FROM Judy Madnick who voted 3 and 16, and scores 1 + 0 = 1
>>>
>>>
>>> 14. a spiral-shaped fyke net.
>>>
>>> Voted for by: Daniel Widdis, Tim Lodge, JohnnyB, Mike Shefler, Dave Cunningham, Jim Hart, Christopher Carson
>>>
>>> FROM Hugo Kornelius
>>> who voted 9 and 13, and scores 7 + 2 = 9
>>>
>>>
>>> 15. _obs._ a poultice for boils made of mustard-seed.
>>>
>>> Voted for by: Millie Morgan
>>>
>>> FROM JohnnyB who voted 9 and 14, and scores 1 + 2 = 3
>>>
>>>
>>> 16. a farmer's cart, especially one for hauling manure, that can be tilted to discharge its load.
>>>
>>> Voted for by: Judy Madnick, Dick Weltz
>>>
>>> FROM Millie Morgan who voted 7 and 15, and scores 2 + 0 = 2
>>>
>>>
>>> 17. _archaic_ Any of several dark, fine grained igneous rocks often used in making roads.
>>>
>>> Voted for by:
>>>
>>> FROM Christopher Carson, who voted 9 and 14 and scores 0 + 2 = 2
>>>
>>>
>>> 18. a device for preventing the capture of undersized fish in trawl nets.
>>>
>>> Voted for by: Guerri Stevens
>>>
>>> FROM TimB who voted 3 and 7, and scores 1 + 0 = 0
>>>
>>>
>>> Tony Abell, from whom I did not receive a definition, voted 3 and 9 and scores 0 + 2 =2
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Daniel Widdis
October 2nd, 2014, 04:38 PM
I think you did perfectly fine. You clearly knew the root
word/etymology but not the actual definition, which is not so much
different than most of us do.

I will say that seeing two definitions in the list involving a spiral
clued /me/ in to the etymology as well (although i picked the wrong
spiral to vote for) and judging by the number of correct guesses, I was
not alone in recognizing that. Still, I don't think it was a DQ and
using a known etymology to define a fake word is entirely fair game!

If I ever deal again I'll be sure to /not/ use words with Dutch
etymologies, though!

Dan

On 10/2/14, 1:50 PM, Hugo Kornelis wrote:
> When Rose posted the word, I obviously immediately recognised it as
> being extremely similar to the Dutch word "wenteltrap" (spiral
> staircase). ... I also crafted a def that combines the spiral element
> of "wentel" (literally: revolve) with the English word trap. I think
> that is perfectly legit.

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Dodi Schultz
October 2nd, 2014, 05:06 PM
No, you were absolutely not obliged to DQ on the basis of recognizing a
connection. That's what we all try to do when we're guessing, and if we
happen to be acquainted with another language that provides a clue (or at
least an apparent clue; these things can be misleading), we're welcome to
play that hunch.

That said: If I were you and if I had seen a literal translation of the
Dutch word (that is, if "a spiral staircase" had appeared as one of the
defs), I very possibly might have, in good faith, DQ'd at that point,
assuming that a Dutch word had been taken unchanged into English (as,
indeed, many words from other languages have been).

P.S.: Thank you. Now I have a much more interesting name for the stairs in
my apartment. And suitable: New York was, after all, first settled by the
Dutch and known as New Amsterdam.

P.P.S.: Thanks for the time extension!

--Dodi, still trying to think up a def


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On 10/2/2014 4:50 PM, Hugo Kornelis wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I did not get around to it until now, but there is actually something I
> wanted to bring up after the previous round.
>
> When Rose posted the word, I obviously immediately recognised it as being
> extremely similar to the Dutch word "wenteltrap" (spiral staircase). But
> I had never seen that word in English text. Should I have DQ'ed? I think
> not, after all the sheer fact that a combination of letters or sounds has
> a meaning in Dutch does not imply is has the same meaning in English.
>
> I did not, and decided to postpone my choice until the word list was
> posted. And I also crafted a def that combines the spiral element of
> "wentel" (literally: revolve) with the English word trap. I think that is
> perfectly legit.
>
> When the def list was posted, I immediately scanned it for spiral
> staircases. If there had been one, should I have DQ'ed? (If I had, it
> would have been an unjustified DQ in this case, but I am asking in
> generic. It is not unlikely that there will be a round with a word that
> is literally and unchanged taken from Dutch).
>
> After seeing no spiral staircases, I decided I was good to vote and
> checked the list. The spiral shell appealed to me, because it fitted my
> knowledge of the Dutch word "wenteltrap" very well. Did that give me an
> unfair advantage in this round? Should I have skipped over it, or even
> DQ'ed at all? Or was I allowed to cast this vote - after all, it is also
> possible that someone with some knowledge of Dutch (or, more likely,
> German which has the almost same word for spiral staircases:
> "Wendeltrappe") deliberately submitted a def crafted on a fake
> Dutch/German etymology. (It is a trick I sometimes use when submitting my
> fake defs).
>
> Over all, I think I made the right choices at every point where I had to
> choose, but I did have a lot of moments of doubt, and I would like to
> hear if there are other people who would have made other choices, and why.
>
> Cheers,
> Hugo

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