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Guerri Stevens
December 28th, 2013, 02:26 PM
I am trying to figure this out, and have failed so far. It all started
with my iPod. I wanted to delete a song, so I hooked it up to my PC and
brought up iTunes. I highlighted the song, pressed the delete key, and
got an error message 13019. At this point I should mention that my
version of iTunes is 10.5.0.142, which is of course not the latest. My
iPod OS is also out of date.

So I decided the proper course of action was to first update iTunes, and
when that was done, update the Pod.

I started iTunes, opened the Help menu, and chose "check for updates". I
got this message: "server could not be contacted". This is not a matter
of my internet service being down because I checked other sites. My
notes say that I tried diagnostics, and got some stuff about Windows 7
or Vista firewall blocking iTunes. I have Vista. I tried to follow their
instructions, which don't match my version of Vista, or perhaps, the way
I have Vista set up. In any event, I was able to locate the firewall and
the list of exceptions includes iTunes and its check box is checked.

I suppose that the iTunes server could have been out of commission all
day (and part of yesterday), but I doubt it.

I also did a little research on the iPod error, and apparently it
occurs, at least sometimes, when voice memos have been used. But I have
never used voice memos and didn't even know they existed.

I manually manage music and don't use the automatic sync feature.

So -- is it a reasonable plan to update iTunes, and then the iPod?

I should probably update them both anyway, even if updating will *not*
cure the problem. So does anyone know how to do the updating? Is the
Help|check for updates the correct path? Should I be downloading the
update and then installing offline?

This problem is new within the past couple of weeks, and it happens with
anything that iTunes considers a "sync": trying to delete or add a song
to the iPod, for instance.

Another annoyance which may or may not be related: I make playlists on
the iPod, and when I attach to iTunes for any reason, the playlists get
wiped out. I think this is also a sync issue (adding a song to the iPod
for instance) and iTunes saying OK, you don't have this playlist in
iTunes so it should be deleted from the iPod. Not a huge problem, but
annoying.
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thejazzmonger
December 28th, 2013, 02:52 PM
I have not gone all through that, yet, to try to figure out a process flaw.
One thing about the "server could not be contacted" incident is to remember
that a LOT of new iPod owners were created on the 25th. Me for one. It's my
first-ever Apple product.

I bet that there is a load on their system.


On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Guerri Stevens <guerri (AT) guerristevens (DOT) com>wrote:

> I am trying to figure this out, and have failed so far. It all started
> with my iPod. I wanted to delete a song, so I hooked it up to my PC and
> brought up iTunes. I highlighted the song, pressed the delete key, and got
> an error message 13019. At this point I should mention that my version of
> iTunes is 10.5.0.142, which is of course not the latest. My iPod OS is also
> out of date.
>
> So I decided the proper course of action was to first update iTunes, and
> when that was done, update the Pod.
>
> I started iTunes, opened the Help menu, and chose "check for updates". I
> got this message: "server could not be contacted". This is not a matter of
> my internet service being down because I checked other sites. My notes say
> that I tried diagnostics, and got some stuff about Windows 7 or Vista
> firewall blocking iTunes. I have Vista. I tried to follow their
> instructions, which don't match my version of Vista, or perhaps, the way I
> have Vista set up. In any event, I was able to locate the firewall and the
> list of exceptions includes iTunes and its check box is checked.
>
> I suppose that the iTunes server could have been out of commission all day
> (and part of yesterday), but I doubt it.
>
> I also did a little research on the iPod error, and apparently it occurs,
> at least sometimes, when voice memos have been used. But I have never used
> voice memos and didn't even know they existed.
>
> I manually manage music and don't use the automatic sync feature.
>
> So -- is it a reasonable plan to update iTunes, and then the iPod?
>
> I should probably update them both anyway, even if updating will *not*
> cure the problem. So does anyone know how to do the updating? Is the
> Help|check for updates the correct path? Should I be downloading the update
> and then installing offline?
>
> This problem is new within the past couple of weeks, and it happens with
> anything that iTunes considers a "sync": trying to delete or add a song to
> the iPod, for instance.
>
> Another annoyance which may or may not be related: I make playlists on the
> iPod, and when I attach to iTunes for any reason, the playlists get wiped
> out. I think this is also a sync issue (adding a song to the iPod for
> instance) and iTunes saying OK, you don't have this playlist in iTunes so
> it should be deleted from the iPod. Not a huge problem, but annoying.
> --
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Christopher Carson
December 28th, 2013, 03:07 PM
Guerri,

I have found that lately I have to right-click the iTunes short cut and
select 'run as Administrator' even though I'm an administrator on my
computers. For some reason the UAC system treats the two situations
differently. If I don't do the run as administrator thing, I can't even
connect to the iTunes store. The error you mention is usually a sync error
which is what the system was doing if you were deleting a song, and the
suggested fix is to update iTunes. Your method of updating iTunes and then
the device is correct. The current version of iTunes is 11.1.3.8. I've
found that it's usually a good idea to keep iTunes and the device firmware
up to date. I have enough turnover on my iPhone that I find myself running
iTunes at least every week or so to either remove or add an audio book. An
alternative to using the Help -> Update method is to go to the Apple
website, select iTunes and download and run the latest version. That will
replace the version you have without disturbing your existing library.

CC


-----Original Message-----
From: Guerri Stevens
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 3:26 PM
To: Google Dixonary
Subject: [Dixonary] OT: Updating iTunes

I am trying to figure this out, and have failed so far. It all started
with my iPod. I wanted to delete a song, so I hooked it up to my PC and
brought up iTunes. I highlighted the song, pressed the delete key, and
got an error message 13019. At this point I should mention that my
version of iTunes is 10.5.0.142, which is of course not the latest. My
iPod OS is also out of date.

So I decided the proper course of action was to first update iTunes, and
when that was done, update the Pod.

I started iTunes, opened the Help menu, and chose "check for updates". I
got this message: "server could not be contacted". This is not a matter
of my internet service being down because I checked other sites. My
notes say that I tried diagnostics, and got some stuff about Windows 7
or Vista firewall blocking iTunes. I have Vista. I tried to follow their
instructions, which don't match my version of Vista, or perhaps, the way
I have Vista set up. In any event, I was able to locate the firewall and
the list of exceptions includes iTunes and its check box is checked.

I suppose that the iTunes server could have been out of commission all
day (and part of yesterday), but I doubt it.

I also did a little research on the iPod error, and apparently it
occurs, at least sometimes, when voice memos have been used. But I have
never used voice memos and didn't even know they existed.

I manually manage music and don't use the automatic sync feature.

So -- is it a reasonable plan to update iTunes, and then the iPod?

I should probably update them both anyway, even if updating will *not*
cure the problem. So does anyone know how to do the updating? Is the
Help|check for updates the correct path? Should I be downloading the
update and then installing offline?

This problem is new within the past couple of weeks, and it happens with
anything that iTunes considers a "sync": trying to delete or add a song
to the iPod, for instance.

Another annoyance which may or may not be related: I make playlists on
the iPod, and when I attach to iTunes for any reason, the playlists get
wiped out. I think this is also a sync issue (adding a song to the iPod
for instance) and iTunes saying OK, you don't have this playlist in
iTunes so it should be deleted from the iPod. Not a huge problem, but
annoying.
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Guerri Stevens
December 29th, 2013, 05:24 AM
I will give that "run as Administrator" a try and see if that works. And
Steve is right about the load on the system; what was I thinking? Of
course a lot of people got those devices on Wednesday. In fact, I gave
my husband an iPad Air, although that shouldn't affect iTunes because he
already had a Pod. And therefore he was able to suggest that I should
stop being a person who doesn't update things in a timely fashion. He
says as soon as he gets an update notice, he updates. I have no comment.

Guerri
On 12/28/2013 4:07 PM, Christopher Carson wrote:
> Guerri,
>
> I have found that lately I have to right-click the iTunes short cut
> and select 'run as Administrator' even though I'm an administrator on
> my computers. For some reason the UAC system treats the two
> situations differently. If I don't do the run as administrator thing,
> I can't even connect to the iTunes store. The error you mention is
> usually a sync error which is what the system was doing if you were
> deleting a song, and the suggested fix is to update iTunes. Your
> method of updating iTunes and then the device is correct. The current
> version of iTunes is 11.1.3.8. I've found that it's usually a good
> idea to keep iTunes and the device firmware up to date. I have enough
> turnover on my iPhone that I find myself running iTunes at least every
> week or so to either remove or add an audio book. An alternative to
> using the Help -> Update method is to go to the Apple website, select
> iTunes and download and run the latest version. That will replace the
> version you have without disturbing your existing library.
>
> CC

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Guerri Stevens
December 29th, 2013, 05:44 AM
My iPod was my first Apple product, too. I got it for a specific
purpose, but find that I use it all the time now to listen to music. If
I am listening, and want to do something like manage the laundry, I can
stick the Pod in my pocket and don't have to stop listening. I
experimented briefly with Internet access and Email, but unless all you
want to say in an Email messages is "thanks" or "hi", the typing is not
easy. I suppose one could get used to it, but I decided not to try.

I have a camera on mine, and find that feature useful when I am going
somewhere and don't really expect to take pictures, so don't take my
real camera.

There is a downloadable manual in PDF format, if you wish.

I was in the Apple store getting a gift for my husband, and had to wait
for someone to help me because it was crowded, so I wandered around. I
liked the look of the Apple laptops (can't remember what they are
called). It is amazing what you get used to: I am now used to just
swiping my fingers over my iPod and iPad, and I was trying to make the
laptops on display work that way, completely ignoring the keyboard and
touch pad!

The salesperson told me that they have special counseling for PC people,
although he didn't put it exactly like that. So if I decided my next
computer was going to be an Apple, I could get help.


Guerri

On 12/28/2013 3:52 PM, thejazzmonger wrote:
> I have not gone all through that, yet, to try to figure out a process
> flaw. One thing about the "server could not be contacted" incident is
> to remember that a LOT of new iPod owners were created on the 25th. Me
> for one. It's my first-ever Apple product.
>
> I bet that there is a load on their system.
>

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Christopher Carson
December 29th, 2013, 02:04 PM
Guerri,

I've had iPods for a long time. My daughter gave me one of the original
models for my birthday quite a long time ago and when I discovered that I
could put CD books on it from the library, there was no turning back. I
retired the Sony Discman that I was using for commuting and no longer had to
carry a handful of CDs with me. That was probably just as well after I
fumbled a CD while changing discs while standing on the E train platform at
NY Penn Station. The disc ended up on the tracks and since I wasn't one ot
hop down to retrieve it, I ended up replacing the library's disc. Luckily
it was a library copy of the CD book so a new disk was only about $5.
Anyway, now my iPhone has taken over the audio book duties on my commute.
You must have an iPod Touch if you're doing Internet access and Email on it.

The Apple laptops are very nice. The Macbook Pro 13" with Retina display is
a pretty amazing piece of work - powerful, light, small and with a
phenomenal screen. Alas, for some strange reason, Apple hasn't released any
laptops with touchscreens yet. I almost bought one of the Macbooks but
having grown accustomed to the iPhone's touchscreen I opted for a very slick
Sony Vaio Pro. If Apple had had a touchscreen Macbook there would have been
no contest. as I've grown fond of iOS. I have to say, though, that I've
developed a similar fondness for Windows 8 on the Vaio. Now I'm lusting
after an iPad so I may have another iOS device in the stable if I can just
decide between the iPad Air and the iPad Mini with Retina.

Chris


-----Original Message-----
From: Guerri Stevens
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 6:44 AM
To: dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com
Subject: Re: [Dixonary] OT: Updating iTunes

My iPod was my first Apple product, too. I got it for a specific
purpose, but find that I use it all the time now to listen to music. If
I am listening, and want to do something like manage the laundry, I can
stick the Pod in my pocket and don't have to stop listening. I
experimented briefly with Internet access and Email, but unless all you
want to say in an Email messages is "thanks" or "hi", the typing is not
easy. I suppose one could get used to it, but I decided not to try.

I have a camera on mine, and find that feature useful when I am going
somewhere and don't really expect to take pictures, so don't take my
real camera.

There is a downloadable manual in PDF format, if you wish.

I was in the Apple store getting a gift for my husband, and had to wait
for someone to help me because it was crowded, so I wandered around. I
liked the look of the Apple laptops (can't remember what they are
called). It is amazing what you get used to: I am now used to just
swiping my fingers over my iPod and iPad, and I was trying to make the
laptops on display work that way, completely ignoring the keyboard and
touch pad!

The salesperson told me that they have special counseling for PC people,
although he didn't put it exactly like that. So if I decided my next
computer was going to be an Apple, I could get help.


Guerri

On 12/28/2013 3:52 PM, thejazzmonger wrote:
> I have not gone all through that, yet, to try to figure out a process
> flaw. One thing about the "server could not be contacted" incident is to
> remember that a LOT of new iPod owners were created on the 25th. Me for
> one. It's my first-ever Apple product.
>
> I bet that there is a load on their system.
>

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Guerri Stevens
December 30th, 2013, 03:32 AM
Yes, I do have the iPod touch. I experimented with Email and Internet,
but it is really too small for regular use for those things. I don't
know whether you can get a free Kindle app for it, as you can for the
iPads, but I think that's available, but there again, I suspect the
screen is way too small to be useful to me.

I saw an iPod a friend has which I think is the Shuffle. It is a cube
about an inch on each side. Amazing! No screen. All you can do,
apparently, is play music.

I have not fallen in love with the touch screens. At least not yet. I do
associate them with Apple stuff, though, and sort of expected them in
all their products. I still wonder how they hold up and how to clean
them. I got some peel off stuff for my iPod that was recommended by the
Apple Store salesperson, but I don't know that it is the real answer to
the cleaning issue.

I got my husband an iPad Air for Christmas and it has the retina
display. I keep meaning to somehow compare it with my iPad and see if I
can tell the difference. I had thought about getting him the mini, but
decided against it. The Air is a bit smaller than the old iPad anyway
and I was afraid that the mini would be too small, what with our
increasing age and declining eyesight. One of my sisters has the mini
and she says she takes it everywhere, apparently having a purse that is
large enough to hold it.

Now on the issue that started this: I tried the right
click/administrator thing and still get the error about not being able
to connect to the server. I have a theory that Apple has changed to a
new URL for it and the old one that is, possibly, embedded in my version
of iTunes is obsolete. Then again, maybe there is something else wrong.
The error message doesn't display the address to which it was trying to
connect.

Guerri

On 12/29/2013 3:04 PM, Christopher Carson wrote:
> Guerri,
>
> I've had iPods for a long time. My daughter gave me one of the
> original models for my birthday quite a long time ago and when I
> discovered that I could put CD books on it from the library, there was
> no turning back. I retired the Sony Discman that I was using for
> commuting and no longer had to carry a handful of CDs with me. That
> was probably just as well after I fumbled a CD while changing discs
> while standing on the E train platform at NY Penn Station. The disc
> ended up on the tracks and since I wasn't one ot hop down to retrieve
> it, I ended up replacing the library's disc. Luckily it was a library
> copy of the CD book so a new disk was only about $5. Anyway, now my
> iPhone has taken over the audio book duties on my commute. You must
> have an iPod Touch if you're doing Internet access and Email on it.
>
> The Apple laptops are very nice. The Macbook Pro 13" with Retina
> display is a pretty amazing piece of work - powerful, light, small and
> with a phenomenal screen. Alas, for some strange reason, Apple hasn't
> released any laptops with touchscreens yet. I almost bought one of
> the Macbooks but having grown accustomed to the iPhone's touchscreen I
> opted for a very slick Sony Vaio Pro. If Apple had had a touchscreen
> Macbook there would have been no contest. as I've grown fond of iOS.
> I have to say, though, that I've developed a similar fondness for
> Windows 8 on the Vaio. Now I'm lusting after an iPad so I may have
> another iOS device in the stable if I can just decide between the iPad
> Air and the iPad Mini with Retina.
>
> Chris

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Jim Hart
December 30th, 2013, 06:11 AM
Guerri,
I have mixed feelings about touch screens. For: I like pointing to a link,
a swipe for scrolling and the two-finger enlarging action. Against:
accidentally jumping to a link when you want to scroll, especially on a
busy screen where almost every square centimetre is part of a link.

For and against simultaneously: the onscreen virtual keyboard.Sure it's
clever but so frustrating. In its favour it makes the ipad a practical
travel computer when all you want is simple access to emails and the web in
the smallest practical package. (I was very glad of ours in Japan where
every bit of floor space is precious.) Worst feature of apple's on-screen
keyboard is lack of arrow keys for placing the cursor or selecting a
section of text - no problem if you never need to edit yourself I suppose.
Second annoyance is having three separate 'keyboards' for alpha, numeric
and symbols. But at least the 'keys' are almost full finger-size, unlike
trying to type on an iphone screen.

Jim



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Judy Madnick
December 30th, 2013, 07:57 AM
Yes, Guerri, there is a Kindle app for the iPod Touch. The display, of course, is small, but in the past it has come in handy when I've been sitting at a doctor's office awaiting my turn. :-)

Did you know that replacing the battery in an iPod Touch is expensive and difficult? I'm so annoyed! So I'm going to just let my battery die...and will have to ditch the iPod at that point...especially now that I have a Smart Phone from Republic Wireless. The keyboard on that is worse than the one on the iPod, but I do like to be able to access my email...if for no other reason than to delete the unimportant "stuff" when I'm not at home.

Judy Madnick
Albany, NY

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John Barrs
December 30th, 2013, 09:10 AM
I am just about to come into the touch-screen world - my family are buying
me a tablet for my birthday in a week or so...

It will be an interesting experience as I am a totally verbal person (no
picture images in my mind at all - no imagination other than verbal) and
also physically somewhat uncoordinated ( the idea of two hands doing
something different like playing a guitar - or even playing a piano come
to that - is a frightening thought.) I can just about type with one hand
with the other on the cap-key - but even then I get the timing wrong and
things like "SCholar" often occur. I always have to edit!...

The boys have realised this and included a wireless-keypad in the present
and a promise of a few tutorials too. I don't know about you over there,
but here in UK more than 68% of all phones sold are now smartphones and
every young-person that I know uses them. There is talk of the end of not
only desktops but laptops too as these things take over - apparently (if I
read the statistics correctly) 83% of adults own a mobile device for
connecting to the internet and texting is more frequent between friends and
family than face-to-face and voice phone-calls

So wish me luck!

JohnnyB


On 30 December 2013 12:11, Jim Hart <jfshart (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

> Guerri,
> I have mixed feelings about touch screens. For: I like pointing to a link,
> a swipe for scrolling and the two-finger enlarging action. Against:
> accidentally jumping to a link when you want to scroll, especially on a
> busy screen where almost every square centimetre is part of a link.
>
> For and against simultaneously: the onscreen virtual keyboard.Sure it's
> clever but so frustrating. In its favour it makes the ipad a practical
> travel computer when all you want is simple access to emails and the web in
> the smallest practical package. (I was very glad of ours in Japan where
> every bit of floor space is precious.) Worst feature of apple's on-screen
> keyboard is lack of arrow keys for placing the cursor or selecting a
> section of text - no problem if you never need to edit yourself I suppose.
> Second annoyance is having three separate 'keyboards' for alpha, numeric
> and symbols. But at least the 'keys' are almost full finger-size, unlike
> trying to type on an iphone screen.
>
> Jim
>
>
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Christopher Carson
December 30th, 2013, 09:15 AM
Hmm. Well, the Run as Admin a longshot since your problem wasnt exactly the same as the one I used it on. I would suggest at this point the download/run approach assuming that you can access the Apple website directly. Its possible there is a problem with the link but that would be hard to troubleshoot. Apple seems to have the server availability problems periodically. There was a flurry of them in September when iOS 7 was released, creating a rush of epic proportions. Christmas may be creating a similar problem.


The iPod I have is the Classic which works fine for what I got it for - the music library and the audio books. Of course now Ive got a lot of that on the iPhone so Im not carry the iPod as often anymore. At this point it is more of a backup device than anything else.


The touch screen thing takes a little getting used to but after 3 years or so of iPhone use its become pretty habitual. Last year a company I was working for gave me a Blackberry and it drove me crazy with its little trackball thingie. I ended up giving it back to them and syncing my iPhone with their email server and using it.


Chris

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Guerri Stevens
December 31st, 2013, 04:13 AM
I agree about the "keyboard". The need for two separate ones for letters
and numbers is extremely annoying. My husband gave me a separate
keyboard for my iPad, and I have mixed feelings about that. It is very
light and compact, and is "solar" powered. And you can touch type on it
more easily than on the iPad itself, although I've been told people do
learn to touch type on the iPad. Still, the external keyboard is one
more thing to take along. When I know I'll be doing very little typing,
I don't take it. But when I am going to respond to Emails, for instance,
with more than "I vote for 2 and 7", I take the keyboard. And even that
short "vote" would require swapping back and forth between the letters
and numbers.

I am not sure I will ever favor touch screens over pointing devices,
whether cursor keys or touch pads. I notice that my husband uses a
mouse, even though his computer has a touch pad. I prefer the touch pad,
especially because the mouse would take up some of the limited space
I've got for my machine.

Guerri

On 12/30/2013 7:11 AM, Jim Hart wrote:
> Guerri,
> I have mixed feelings about touch screens. For: I like pointing to a
> link, a swipe for scrolling and the two-finger enlarging action.
> Against: accidentally jumping to a link when you want to scroll,
> especially on a busy screen where almost every square centimetre is
> part of a link.
>
> For and against simultaneously: the onscreen virtual keyboard.Sure
> it's clever but so frustrating. In its favour it makes the ipad a
> practical travel computer when all you want is simple access to emails
> and the web in the smallest practical package. (I was very glad of
> ours in Japan where every bit of floor space is precious.) Worst
> feature of apple's on-screen keyboard is lack of arrow keys for
> placing the cursor or selecting a section of text - no problem if you
> never need to edit yourself I suppose. Second annoyance is having
> three separate 'keyboards' for alpha, numeric and symbols. But at
> least the 'keys' are almost full finger-size, unlike trying to type on
> an iphone screen.
>
> Jim
>
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Guerri Stevens
December 31st, 2013, 04:25 AM
Good luck, and Happy Birthday in advance!

I had intended limited use for my iPad and I admit I have not spent time
learning what can be done and how to do it. It was to be a travel
machine, containing nothing that would be missed if it were lost. I
wonder whether anyone has written dealing software for it???? I wonder
whether you can even write your own apps for it, for that matter?

I can easily believe that a large number of people have smart phones. I
had trouble when I got my current cell phone because I specifically
wanted it to be dumb, not smart. I don't text. I don't feel the need to
be constantly connected as some, or maybe many, seem to. Note how many
people around you have phones pressed to their ears. Seemingly all the
time. My phone is for me and mostly it is turned off. I don't even know
the number!

Guerri

On 12/30/2013 10:10 AM, John Barrs wrote:
> I am just about to come into the touch-screen world - my family are
> buying me a tablet for my birthday in a week or so...
>
> It will be an interesting experience as I am a totally verbal person
> (no picture images in my mind at all - no imagination other than
> verbal) and also physically somewhat uncoordinated ( the idea of two
> hands doing something different like playing a guitar - or even
> playing a piano come to that - is a frightening thought.) I can just
> about type with one hand with the other on the cap-key - but even then
> I get the timing wrong and things like "SCholar" often occur. I always
> have to edit!...
>
> The boys have realised this and included a wireless-keypad in the
> present and a promise of a few tutorials too. I don't know about you
> over there, but here in UK more than 68% of all phones sold are now
> smartphones and every young-person that I know uses them. There is
> talk of the end of not only desktops but laptops too as these things
> take over - apparently (if I read the statistics correctly) 83% of
> adults own a mobile device for connecting to the internet and texting
> is more frequent between friends and family than face-to-face and
> voice phone-calls
>
> So wish me luck!
>
> JohnnyB
>

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Guerri Stevens
December 31st, 2013, 04:30 AM
I can probably reach the Apple web site. I haven't tried because I
decided to update my version of Vista. Two big Service Packs! And I just
glanced at my Systray and there are more updates! When will it end?

Anyway, iTunes is next. I still get the message, so will try your
suggestion about downloading and installing offline. That would be my
preference anyway.

Guerri
On 12/30/2013 10:15 AM, Christopher Carson wrote:
> Hmm. Well, the Run as Admin a longshot since your problem wasnt
> exactly the same as the one I used it on. I would suggest at this
> point the download/run approach assuming that you can access the Apple
> website directly. Its possible there is a problem with the link but
> that would be hard to troubleshoot. Apple seems to have the server
> availability problems periodically. There was a flurry of them in
> September when iOS 7 was released, creating a rush of epic
> proportions. Christmas may be creating a similar problem.
>
> The iPod I have is the Classic which works fine for what I got it
> for - the music library and the audio books. Of course now Ive got a
> lot of that on the iPhone so Im not carry the iPod as often anymore.
> At this point it is more of a backup device than anything else.
>
> The touch screen thing takes a little getting used to but after 3
> years or so of iPhone use its become pretty habitual. Last year a
> company I was working for gave me a Blackberry and it drove me crazy
> with its little trackball thingie. I ended up giving it back to them
> and syncing my iPhone with their email server and using it.
>
> Chris
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Tim Bourne
December 31st, 2013, 05:18 AM
,
> I specifically
> wanted it to be dumb, not smart. I don't text. I don't feel the need to
> be constantly connected as some, or maybe many, seem to.

I'd managed fine with a dumb phone, but I switched to smart nearly a year ago, mainly so I could
have my phone diary synced with my computer diary and no longer need to carry a paper one. I find
I'm using texts more than phone calls now; it avoids the need to play telephone tag, and leaves a
record of what was said. I never use it while walking, though.

I have an Android phone (Samsung) and an Android tablet (Acer) and am fairly happy with the touch
screens, though not for extensive typing. They're not good for precision work, though; my finger-tip
is too big!

Best wishes,
Tim Bourne.

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Judy Madnick
December 31st, 2013, 07:03 AM
I'm too much of a touch typist to ever NOT prefer a real keyboard.

Judy

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Daniel Widdis
January 1st, 2014, 03:56 PM
Add me in agreement on the keyboard, but Ive found one I really
like/love. Its made by Zagg. The keyboard is integrated with a case.
Yes, carrying my iPad around is much like carrying a smaller version of a
computer around, but for my uses (travel email, having something to hold
it up to play movies, etc.) its well worth it.

On 12/31/13, 4:13 AM, Guerri Stevens wrote:

>I agree about the "keyboard". The need for two separate ones for letters
>and numbers is extremely annoying. My husband gave me a separate
>keyboard for my iPad, and I have mixed feelings about that. It is very
>light and compact, and is "solar" powered. And you can touch type on it
>more easily than on the iPad itself, although I've been told people do
>learn to touch type on the iPad. Still, the external keyboard is one
>more thing to take along. When I know I'll be doing very little typing,
>I don't take it. But when I am going to respond to Emails, for instance,
>with more than "I vote for 2 and 7", I take the keyboard. And even that
>short "vote" would require swapping back and forth between the letters
>and numbers.
>
>I am not sure I will ever favor touch screens over pointing devices,
>whether cursor keys or touch pads. I notice that my husband uses a
>mouse, even though his computer has a touch pad. I prefer the touch pad,
>especially because the mouse would take up some of the limited space
>I've got for my machine.
>
>Guerri
>
>On 12/30/2013 7:11 AM, Jim Hart wrote:
>> Guerri,
>> I have mixed feelings about touch screens. For: I like pointing to a
>> link, a swipe for scrolling and the two-finger enlarging action.
>> Against: accidentally jumping to a link when you want to scroll,
>> especially on a busy screen where almost every square centimetre is
>> part of a link.
>>
>> For and against simultaneously: the onscreen virtual keyboard.Sure
>> it's clever but so frustrating. In its favour it makes the ipad a
>> practical travel computer when all you want is simple access to emails
>> and the web in the smallest practical package. (I was very glad of
>> ours in Japan where every bit of floor space is precious.) Worst
>> feature of apple's on-screen keyboard is lack of arrow keys for
>> placing the cursor or selecting a section of text - no problem if you
>> never need to edit yourself I suppose. Second annoyance is having
>> three separate 'keyboards' for alpha, numeric and symbols. But at
>> least the 'keys' are almost full finger-size, unlike trying to type on
>> an iphone screen.
>>
>> Jim
>>
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Guerri Stevens
January 2nd, 2014, 02:47 AM
My keyboard is a Logitech, and it is possible that the iPad could sit on
it. At least I've seen pictures like that, but don't know whether they
were my model keyboard. The iPad case came with the iPad, and I'm
thinking a different case might let the iPad sit at a better angle even
if not resting directly on the keyboard.

Guerri
On 1/1/2014 4:56 PM, Daniel Widdis wrote:
> Add me in agreement on the keyboard, but I靶e found one I really
> like/love. It零 made by Zagg. The keyboard is integrated with a case.
> Yes, carrying my iPad around is much like carrying a smaller version of a
> computer around, but for my uses (travel email, having something to hold
> it up to play movies, etc.) it零 well worth it.
>
>

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John Barrs
January 2nd, 2014, 04:00 AM
Dan

does the Zagg keyboard also act as a case?... I can see one that does for
the machine that I will be getting (10.1 Dell Latitude) but its a bit
expensive over here ( I might look around over there for generally prices
are numerically more or less equal or greater than $ prices)

JohnnyB


On 1 January 2014 21:56, Daniel Widdis <widdis (AT) dixonary (DOT) net> wrote:

> Add me in agreement on the keyboard, but Ive found one I really
> like/love. Its made by Zagg. The keyboard is integrated with a case.
> Yes, carrying my iPad around is much like carrying a smaller version of a
> computer around, but for my uses (travel email, having something to hold
> it up to play movies, etc.) its well worth it.
>
> On 12/31/13, 4:13 AM, Guerri Stevens wrote:
>
> >I agree about the "keyboard". The need for two separate ones for letters
> >and numbers is extremely annoying. My husband gave me a separate
> >keyboard for my iPad, and I have mixed feelings about that. It is very
> >light and compact, and is "solar" powered. And you can touch type on it
> >more easily than on the iPad itself, although I've been told people do
> >learn to touch type on the iPad. Still, the external keyboard is one
> >more thing to take along. When I know I'll be doing very little typing,
> >I don't take it. But when I am going to respond to Emails, for instance,
> >with more than "I vote for 2 and 7", I take the keyboard. And even that
> >short "vote" would require swapping back and forth between the letters
> >and numbers.
> >
> >I am not sure I will ever favor touch screens over pointing devices,
> >whether cursor keys or touch pads. I notice that my husband uses a
> >mouse, even though his computer has a touch pad. I prefer the touch pad,
> >especially because the mouse would take up some of the limited space
> >I've got for my machine.
> >
> >Guerri
> >
> >On 12/30/2013 7:11 AM, Jim Hart wrote:
> >> Guerri,
> >> I have mixed feelings about touch screens. For: I like pointing to a
> >> link, a swipe for scrolling and the two-finger enlarging action.
> >> Against: accidentally jumping to a link when you want to scroll,
> >> especially on a busy screen where almost every square centimetre is
> >> part of a link.
> >>
> >> For and against simultaneously: the onscreen virtual keyboard.Sure
> >> it's clever but so frustrating. In its favour it makes the ipad a
> >> practical travel computer when all you want is simple access to emails
> >> and the web in the smallest practical package. (I was very glad of
> >> ours in Japan where every bit of floor space is precious.) Worst
> >> feature of apple's on-screen keyboard is lack of arrow keys for
> >> placing the cursor or selecting a section of text - no problem if you
> >> never need to edit yourself I suppose. Second annoyance is having
> >> three separate 'keyboards' for alpha, numeric and symbols. But at
> >> least the 'keys' are almost full finger-size, unlike trying to type on
> >> an iphone screen.
> >>
> >> Jim
> >>
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Guerri Stevens
January 2nd, 2014, 04:43 AM
Thanks for your help, Chris.

I finally managed to update iTunes by downloading the new version and
installing it offline. But it was not easy. I first decided that I
should upgrade my version of Vista, which took quite awhile because I
didn't immediately realize that there was not just one, recent, update.
I rarely update anything, so there were multiple updates.

Then it was iTunes's turn. I went to the Apple website, got to the
proper page, and first chose the "download Windows version" and nothing
happened. There was a "download now" button, so I tried that, but still
nothing. Not knowing what to do, I posted a message in the Apple
Communities, and someone suggested using a different browser, so I used
Internet Explorer. Not only did that work just fine, but it enabled me
to find out that I don't like the new version of IE. Everything is
getting modernized in ways I tend not to like.

I am considering corresponding with Apple, and suggesting that some of
their older users might find that moving screens are too fast for some,
and annoying in the first place, and some of us just like clean, clear,
text.

-- Guerri, who remembers when the switch that raised and lowered the
car's headlight beams was on the floor.


On 12/28/2013 4:07 PM, Christopher Carson wrote:
> Guerri,
>
> I have found that lately I have to right-click the iTunes short cut
> and select 'run as Administrator' even though I'm an administrator on
> my computers. For some reason the UAC system treats the two
> situations differently. If I don't do the run as administrator thing,
> I can't even connect to the iTunes store. The error you mention is
> usually a sync error which is what the system was doing if you were
> deleting a song, and the suggested fix is to update iTunes. Your
> method of updating iTunes and then the device is correct. The current
> version of iTunes is 11.1.3.8. I've found that it's usually a good
> idea to keep iTunes and the device firmware up to date. I have enough
> turnover on my iPhone that I find myself running iTunes at least every
> week or so to either remove or add an audio book. An alternative to
> using the Help -> Update method is to go to the Apple website, select
> iTunes and download and run the latest version. That will replace the
> version you have without disturbing your existing library.
>
> CC
>

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Daniel Widdis
January 2nd, 2014, 09:04 AM
Yes, Johnny, its an integrated case and keyboard.

The newest, current model is the ZaggKeys Profolio+ but I use the previous
model, the Zaggfolio. You can find it discounted on ebay many places..

From: "JohnnyBarrs (AT) gmail (DOT) com" <JohnnyBarrs (AT) gmail (DOT) com>
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Date: Thursday, January 2, 2014 at 4:00 AM
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Subject: Re: [Dixonary] OT: Updating iTunes

Dan

does the Zagg keyboard also act as a case?... I can see one that does for
the machine that I will be getting (10.1 Dell Latitude) but its a bit
expensive over here ( I might look around over there for generally prices
are numerically more or less equal or greater than $ prices)

JohnnyB




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John Barrs
January 2nd, 2014, 09:39 AM
Guerri

"who remembers when the switch that raised and lowered the car's headlight
beams was on the floor."

At the risk of sounding like the Monty Python team

You mean you had floors? we 'ad to run the car everywhere - feet stickin
out t' bottom, and that without shoes

JohnnyB


On 2 January 2014 10:43, Guerri Stevens <guerri (AT) guerristevens (DOT) com> wrote:

> Thanks for your help, Chris.
>
> I finally managed to update iTunes by downloading the new version and
> installing it offline. But it was not easy. I first decided that I should
> upgrade my version of Vista, which took quite awhile because I didn't
> immediately realize that there was not just one, recent, update. I rarely
> update anything, so there were multiple updates.
>
> Then it was iTunes's turn. I went to the Apple website, got to the proper
> page, and first chose the "download Windows version" and nothing happened.
> There was a "download now" button, so I tried that, but still nothing. Not
> knowing what to do, I posted a message in the Apple Communities, and
> someone suggested using a different browser, so I used Internet Explorer.
> Not only did that work just fine, but it enabled me to find out that I
> don't like the new version of IE. Everything is getting modernized in ways
> I tend not to like.
>
> I am considering corresponding with Apple, and suggesting that some of
> their older users might find that moving screens are too fast for some, and
> annoying in the first place, and some of us just like clean, clear, text.
>
> -- Guerri, who remembers when the switch that raised and lowered the car's
> headlight beams was on the floor.
>
>
>
> On 12/28/2013 4:07 PM, Christopher Carson wrote:
>
>> Guerri,
>>
>> I have found that lately I have to right-click the iTunes short cut and
>> select 'run as Administrator' even though I'm an administrator on my
>> computers. For some reason the UAC system treats the two situations
>> differently. If I don't do the run as administrator thing, I can't even
>> connect to the iTunes store. The error you mention is usually a sync error
>> which is what the system was doing if you were deleting a song, and the
>> suggested fix is to update iTunes. Your method of updating iTunes and then
>> the device is correct. The current version of iTunes is 11.1.3.8. I've
>> found that it's usually a good idea to keep iTunes and the device firmware
>> up to date. I have enough turnover on my iPhone that I find myself running
>> iTunes at least every week or so to either remove or add an audio book. An
>> alternative to using the Help -> Update method is to go to the Apple
>> website, select iTunes and download and run the latest version. That will
>> replace the version you have without disturbing your existing library.
>>
>> CC
>>
>>
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