[Dixonary] Round 2468 voting time

[Millie Morgan]

And here is your Christmas list ...
20 very fine PAMPINATION definitions, only one of which came from a
dictionary.

Please send your votes for two of them (even if you didn't submit a
definition)
by public reply to this message before the deadline:

1:00 pm Thu 26/12 Melb. AEDT
6:00 pm Wed 25/12 PST
8:00 pm Wed 25/12 CST
9:00 pm Wed 25/12 EST
2:00 am Thu 26/12 GMT
3:00 am Thu 26/12 CET

Sorry it's rather a long deadline, but I'll have to wait for our
over-nighters to go home.
And they should be gone by lunchtime Boxing Day
... I hope!


Season's Greetings!
Millie

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** PAMPINATION **

1: _Med._ the process of reducing or suppressing a response to a stimulus;
specifically: reduction in a cellular response to a molecule (as insulin)
due to a decrease in the number of receptors on the cell surface

2: an effort to evoke feelings of pity

3: Being totally wasted

4: the dividing of a single political body such as a province, state, or
country into two or more entities, often for ethnic or religious reasons

5: deforestation, especially of rain forests

6: Concavity of slope on the sides of a mountain

7: fluffing up, as a pillow or a squirrel's tail

8: the act of adding extraneous decorations to something

9: [Obs. rare.] The pruning or trimming of vines

10: an echo which arrives at a different time from the primary echo due to
differences in reflection

11: the introduction of a swarm of bees into an empty hive

12: a tremor of the arms, hands or fingers but sometimes involving the head
or other body parts during voluntary movements such as eating and writing

13: [reg. USA, now obs.] feeding up or spoiling

14: the process of evergreen reforestation

15: A chemical process that uses aldehydes to increase the viscosity of a
solution

16: naked self-dealing by politicians

17: To prefigure indistinctly; foreshadow

18: the strength of roots in a grassland; the ratio of grasses to muddy
ranges, relevant for predicting and preventing mudslides

19: a loud fluttering as of birds' wings

20: Boldness of enterprise; initiative or aggressiveness

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[—Keith Hale—]

I like the last three, but given two votes i go with 19 & 20, please.
Happy Decemberween to all!
-Keith-


On 23 December 2013 21:39, Millie Morgan <milliemmorgan (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

> And here is your Christmas list ...
> 20 very fine PAMPINATION definitions, only one of which came from a
> dictionary.
>
> Please send your votes for two of them (even if you didn't submit a
> definition)
> by public reply to this message before the deadline:
>
> 1:00 pm Thu 26/12 Melb. AEDT
> 6:00 pm Wed 25/12 PST
> 8:00 pm Wed 25/12 CST
> 9:00 pm Wed 25/12 EST
> 2:00 am Thu 26/12 GMT
> 3:00 am Thu 26/12 CET
>
> Sorry it's rather a long deadline, but I'll have to wait for our
> over-nighters to go home.
> And they should be gone by lunchtime Boxing Day
> ... I hope!
>
>
> Season's Greetings!
> Millie
>
> ----------------------------------------
> ** PAMPINATION **
>
> 1: _Med._ the process of reducing or suppressing a response to a stimulus;
> specifically: reduction in a cellular response to a molecule (as insulin)
> due to a decrease in the number of receptors on the cell surface
>
> 2: an effort to evoke feelings of pity
>
> 3: Being totally wasted
>
> 4: the dividing of a single political body such as a province, state, or
> country into two or more entities, often for ethnic or religious reasons
>
> 5: deforestation, especially of rain forests
>
> 6: Concavity of slope on the sides of a mountain
>
> 7: fluffing up, as a pillow or a squirrel's tail
>
> 8: the act of adding extraneous decorations to something
>
> 9: [Obs. rare.] The pruning or trimming of vines
>
> 10: an echo which arrives at a different time from the primary echo due
> to differences in reflection
>
> 11: the introduction of a swarm of bees into an empty hive
>
> 12: a tremor of the arms, hands or fingers but sometimes involving the
> head or other body parts during voluntary movements such as eating and
> writing
>
> 13: [reg. USA, now obs.] feeding up or spoiling
>
> 14: the process of evergreen reforestation
>
> 15: A chemical process that uses aldehydes to increase the viscosity of a
> solution
>
> 16: naked self-dealing by politicians
>
> 17: To prefigure indistinctly; foreshadow
>
> 18: the strength of roots in a grassland; the ratio of grasses to muddy
> ranges, relevant for predicting and preventing mudslides
>
> 19: a loud fluttering as of birds' wings
>
> 20: Boldness of enterprise; initiative or aggressiveness
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[Guerri Stevens]

I vote for 2 and 16.

Guerri

On 12/23/2013 10:39 PM, Millie Morgan wrote:
>
> 2: an effort to evoke feelings of pity
>
> 16: naked self-dealing by politicians
>

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[Tim Lodge]

I'll take a couple of _Obs._ defs, 9 and 13, please:

9: [Obs. rare.] The pruning or trimming of vines

13: [reg. USA, now obs.] feeding up or spoiling

-- Tim L

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[Tim B]

17 and 19, please.

Best wishes,
Tim Bourne.

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[Dodi Schultz]

Thus far, only Tim Lodge's vote, directed to Dixonary with a cc: to
Dixonary (both with a cap "D", if that matters), has arrived in duplicate.

—Dodi

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[Judy Madnick]

I'll fall for the probable trap of similar definitions.

5: deforestation, especially of rain forests

14: the process of evergreen reforestation

Judy Madnick
Albany, NY

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[France International/Mike Shefler]

I'll try 7 and 18.

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[Guerri Stevens]

That's bizarre! I only got one of Tim's. So far.
Guerri
On 12/24/2013 9:20 AM, Dodi Schultz wrote:
> Thus far, only Tim Lodge's vote, directed to Dixonary with a cc: to
> Dixonary (both with a cap "D", if that matters), has arrived in
> duplicate.
>
>
> —Dodi
>

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[Christopher Carson]

I'll add a bit of additional data to the mix. I use a Microsoft LiveMail
account and play by email. I received both of Tim's messages on my iPhone,
my Desktop using the POP3 Windows LiveMail client, and on my notebook which
uses the Windows 8 mail app.

Chris


-----Original Message-----
From: Dodi Schultz
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 9:20 AM
To: dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com
Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Round 2468 voting time

Thus far, only Tim Lodge's vote, directed to Dixonary with a cc: to
Dixonary (both with a cap "D", if that matters), has arrived in duplicate.

—Dodi

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[EnDash@aol.com]

I will opt for numbers 2 and 10.

In a message dated 12/23/2013 10:39:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
milliemmorgan (AT) gmail (DOT) com writes:

2: an effort to evoke feelings of pity

10: an echo which arrives at a different time from the primary echo due
to
differences in reflection

-- Dick Weltz


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[Glen Boswell]

>
> I'll plump for 10 and 15 please.


A very merry Christmas to everybody!

Glen

I have definitely unchecked the CC box this time. If anybody receives a
dupe, then it's not this that's caused it . . .

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[Daniel Widdis]

5 and 9 please


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[Dodi Schultz]

Only a single copy of the message below. Tim Lodge's vote is still the only
one that's arrived here in duplicate so far in this round.

—Dodi

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On 12/24/2013 12:15 PM, Glen Boswell wrote:
>
> I'll plump for 10 and 15 please.
>
>
> A very merry Christmas to everybody!
>
> Glen
>
> I have definitely unchecked the CC box this time. If anybody receives a
> dupe, then it's not this that's caused it . . .


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[Tim Lodge]

Sorry - I forgot to check whether the Cc: box was checked when I posted my
vote on the Group website. I've cleared it this time, so you should only
get one copy of this.

-- Tim L

On Tuesday, December 24, 2013 2:20:50 PM UTC, Dodi Schultz wrote:
>
> Thus far, only Tim Lodge's vote, directed to Dixonary with a cc: to
> Dixonary (both with a cap "D", if that matters), has arrived in duplicate..
>
> �Dodi
>
>

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[Hugo Kornelis]

Hi Millie,

My votes are for definitions 1 and 9: suppressing the response to the
trimming of vines.

Cheers,
Hugo


Millie Morgan schreef op 24-12-2013 4:39:
> And here is your Christmas list ...
> 20 very fine PAMPINATION definitions, only one of which came from a
> dictionary.
>
> Please send your votes for two of them (even if you didn't submit a
> definition)
> by public reply to this message before the deadline:
>
> 1:00 pm Thu 26/12 Melb. AEDT
> 6:00 pm Wed 25/12 PST
> 8:00 pm Wed 25/12 CST
> 9:00 pm Wed 25/12 EST
> 2:00 am Thu 26/12 GMT
> 3:00 am Thu 26/12 CET
>
> Sorry it's rather a long deadline, but I'll have to wait for our
> over-nighters to go home.
> And they should be gone by lunchtime Boxing Day
> ... I hope!
>
>
> Season's Greetings!
> Millie
>
> ----------------------------------------
> ** PAMPINATION **
>
> 1: _Med._ the process of reducing or suppressing a response to a
> stimulus; specifically: reduction in a cellular response to a molecule
> (as insulin) due to a decrease in the number of receptors on the cell
> surface
>
> 2: an effort to evoke feelings of pity
>
> 3: Being totally wasted
>
> 4: the dividing of a single political body such as a province, state,
> or country into two or more entities, often for ethnic or religious
> reasons
>
> 5: deforestation, especially of rain forests
>
> 6: Concavity of slope on the sides of a mountain
>
> 7: fluffing up, as a pillow or a squirrel's tail
>
> 8: the act of adding extraneous decorations to something
>
> 9: [Obs. rare.] The pruning or trimming of vines
>
> 10: an echo which arrives at a different time from the primary echo
> due to differences in reflection
>
> 11: the introduction of a swarm of bees into an empty hive
>
> 12: a tremor of the arms, hands or fingers but sometimes involving the
> head or other body parts during voluntary movements such as eating and
> writing
>
> 13: [reg. USA, now obs.] feeding up or spoiling
>
> 14: the process of evergreen reforestation
>
> 15: A chemical process that uses aldehydes to increase the viscosity
> of a solution
>
> 16: naked self-dealing by politicians
>
> 17: To prefigure indistinctly; foreshadow
>
> 18: the strength of roots in a grassland; the ratio of grasses to
> muddy ranges, relevant for predicting and preventing mudslides
>
> 19: a loud fluttering as of birds' wings
>
> 20: Boldness of enterprise; initiative or aggressiveness

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[Efrem Mallach]

#8 seems seasonally appropriate. And if there isn't a word for 11, there ought to be.

Efrem

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On Dec 23, 2013, at 10:39 PM, Millie Morgan <milliemmorgan (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

> And here is your Christmas list ...
> 20 very fine PAMPINATION definitions, only one of which came from a dictionary.
>
> Please send your votes for two of them (even if you didn't submit a definition)
> by public reply to this message before the deadline:
>
> 1:00 pm Thu 26/12 Melb. AEDT
> 6:00 pm Wed 25/12 PST
> 8:00 pm Wed 25/12 CST
> 9:00 pm Wed 25/12 EST
> 2:00 am Thu 26/12 GMT
> 3:00 am Thu 26/12 CET
>
> Sorry it's rather a long deadline, but I'll have to wait for our over-nighters to go home.
> And they should be gone by lunchtime Boxing Day
> ... I hope!
>
>
> Season's Greetings!
> Millie
>
> ----------------------------------------
> ** PAMPINATION **
>
> 8: the act of adding extraneous decorations to something
>
> 11: the introduction of a swarm of bees into an empty hive

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[Christopher Carson]

I'll fall for 5 and 7.

Chris


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 23, 2013, at 10:39 PM, "Millie Morgan" <milliemmorgan (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
>
> And here is your Christmas list ...
> 20 very fine PAMPINATION definitions, only one of which came from a dictionary.
>
> Please send your votes for two of them (even if you didn't submit a definition)
> by public reply to this message before the deadline:
>
> 1:00 pm Thu 26/12 Melb. AEDT
> 6:00 pm Wed 25/12 PST
> 8:00 pm Wed 25/12 CST
> 9:00 pm Wed 25/12 EST
> 2:00 am Thu 26/12 GMT
> 3:00 am Thu 26/12 CET
>
> Sorry it's rather a long deadline, but I'll have to wait for our over-nighters to go home.
> And they should be gone by lunchtime Boxing Day
> ... I hope!
>
>
> Season's Greetings!
> Millie
>
> ----------------------------------------
> ** PAMPINATION **
>
> 1: _Med._ the process of reducing or suppressing a response to a stimulus; specifically: reduction in a cellular response to a molecule (as insulin) due to a decrease in the number of receptors on the cell surface
>
> 2: an effort to evoke feelings of pity
>
> 3: Being totally wasted
>
> 4: the dividing of a single political body such as a province, state, or country into two or more entities, often for ethnic or religious reasons
>
> 5: deforestation, especially of rain forests
>
> 6: Concavity of slope on the sides of a mountain
>
> 7: fluffing up, as a pillow or a squirrel's tail
>
> 8: the act of adding extraneous decorations to something
>
> 9: [Obs. rare.] The pruning or trimming of vines
>
> 10: an echo which arrives at a different time from the primary echo due to differences in reflection
>
> 11: the introduction of a swarm of bees into an empty hive
>
> 12: a tremor of the arms, hands or fingers but sometimes involving the head or other body parts during voluntary movements such as eating and writing
>
> 13: [reg. USA, now obs.] feeding up or spoiling
>
> 14: the process of evergreen reforestation
>
> 15: A chemical process that uses aldehydes to increase the viscosity of a solution
>
> 16: naked self-dealing by politicians
>
> 17: To prefigure indistinctly; foreshadow
>
> 18: the strength of roots in a grassland; the ratio of grasses to muddy ranges, relevant for predicting and preventing mudslides
>
> 19: a loud fluttering as of birds' wings
>
> 20: Boldness of enterprise; initiative or aggressiveness
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[Dodi Schultz]

Yes, only one copy.

—Dodi

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On 12/24/2013 5:11 PM, Tim Lodge wrote:
> Sorry - I forgot to check whether the Cc: box was checked when I posted
> my vote on the Group website. I've cleared it this time, so you should
> only get one copy of this.
>
> -- Tim L

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>
> On Tuesday, December 24, 2013 2:20:50 PM UTC, Dodi Schultz wrote:
>
> Thus far, only Tim Lodge's vote, directed to Dixonary with a cc: to
> Dixonary (both with a cap "D", if that matters), has arrived in
> duplicate.
>

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[nancyshepherdson]

8 and 10 for me, please.

Merry Christmas, everybody!

Nancy


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[Jim Hart]

Millie clearly expects sympathy for having to deal at Christmas when she
should be doing something important like putting tinsel on the turkey, so
the answer is either 2 or 8, or both.

2: an effort to evoke feelings of pity
8: the act of adding extraneous decorations to something

But I'm probably wrong (see 2, above) and I should keep my comments to
myself (see 8, above).

Jim

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[Dodi Schultz]

Nancy's vote is the second to come through in duplicate this round. Like
Tim L's, it was addressed to Dixonary with a cc: to Dixonary.

When I reply to a message from Dixonary (such as the list of defs, or
Nancy's vote), there's no cc: that has to be removed. Why are some people
sending, in effect, double messages to Dixonary?

—Dodi

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On 12/25/2013 1:54 AM, nancyshepherdson wrote:
> 8 and 10 for me, please.
>
> Merry Christmas, everybody!
>
> Nancy
>
>

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[Dodi Schultz]

Gee, Millie, you seem to have forgotten to list the real one. Guess it was
all the holiday excitement. I'll give points to the authors of

19: a loud fluttering as of birds' wings

and

20: Boldness of enterprise; initiative or aggressiveness

It's already Boxing Day (and St. Stephen's Day) for you and Jim, but to the
rest (and to you belatedly):
Merry Christmas!
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[Dave Cunningham]

7 and 18 and all boxes unchecked ...

Dave


On Monday, December 23, 2013 10:39:17 PM UTC-5, Millie Morgan wrote:

> And here is your Christmas list ...
> 20 very fine PAMPINATION definitions, only one of which came from a
> dictionary.
>
> Please send your votes for two of them (even if you didn't submit a
> definition)
> by public reply to this message before the deadline:
>
> 1:00 pm Thu 26/12 Melb. AEDT
> 6:00 pm Wed 25/12 PST
> 8:00 pm Wed 25/12 CST
> 9:00 pm Wed 25/12 EST
> 2:00 am Thu 26/12 GMT
> 3:00 am Thu 26/12 CET
>
> Sorry it's rather a long deadline, but I'll have to wait for our
> over-nighters to go home.
> And they should be gone by lunchtime Boxing Day
> ... I hope!
>
>
> Season's Greetings!
> Millie
>
> ----------------------------------------
> ** PAMPINATION **
>
> 1: _Med._ the process of reducing or suppressing a response to a
> stimulus;
> specifically: reduction in a cellular response to a molecule (as insulin)
> due to a decrease in the number of receptors on the cell surface
>
> 2: an effort to evoke feelings of pity
>
> 3: Being totally wasted
>
> 4: the dividing of a single political body such as a province, state, or
> country into two or more entities, often for ethnic or religious reasons
>
> 5: deforestation, especially of rain forests
>
> 6: Concavity of slope on the sides of a mountain
>
> 7: fluffing up, as a pillow or a squirrel's tail
>
> 8: the act of adding extraneous decorations to something
>
> 9: [Obs. rare.] The pruning or trimming of vines
>
> 10: an echo which arrives at a different time from the primary echo due
> to
> differences in reflection
>
> 11: the introduction of a swarm of bees into an empty hive
>
> 12: a tremor of the arms, hands or fingers but sometimes involving the
> head
> or other body parts during voluntary movements such as eating and writing
>
> 13: [reg. USA, now obs.] feeding up or spoiling
>
> 14: the process of evergreen reforestation
>
> 15: A chemical process that uses aldehydes to increase the viscosity of a
> solution
>
> 16: naked self-dealing by politicians
>
> 17: To prefigure indistinctly; foreshadow
>
> 18: the strength of roots in a grassland; the ratio of grasses to muddy
> ranges, relevant for predicting and preventing mudslides
>
> 19: a loud fluttering as of birds' wings
>
> 20: Boldness of enterprise; initiative or aggressiveness
>
>

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[thejazzmonger]

I'll take:

#1 - the Medical thingy (because it's time the really official-sounding def
was THE ONE.)

#18 - ratio of grasses to muddy ranges (because there ought to be a word
for this.)

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[Tim Lodge]

Dodi

I think the Cc: double message problem only applies to people who, like me,
play through the Dixonary website on Google Groups, rather than, like you I
believe, by email.

-- Tim L

On Wednesday, December 25, 2013 1:17:41 PM UTC, Dodi Schultz wrote:
>
> Nancy's vote is the second to come through in duplicate this round. Like
> Tim L's, it was addressed to Dixonary with a cc: to Dixonary.
>
> When I reply to a message from Dixonary (such as the list of defs, or
> Nancy's vote), there's no cc: that has to be removed. Why are some people
> sending, in effect, double messages to Dixonary?
>
> �Dodi
>
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>
>
> On 12/25/2013 1:54 AM, nancyshepherdson wrote:
> > 8 and 10 for me, please.
> >
> > Merry Christmas, everybody!
> >
> > Nancy
> >
> >
>
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[Dodi Schultz]

Okay, then, I guess three people—Nancy, Jim, and you—play by going to the
website to vote instead of replying by e-mail (which seems to me a lot
easier). Two questions: (1) Why do you choose to play that way? (2) How
does your doing so result in the dual dispatches?

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On 12/26/2013 11:37 AM, Tim Lodge wrote:
> Dodi
>
> I think the Cc: double message problem only applies to people who, like
> me, play through the Dixonary website on Google Groups, rather than, like
> you I believe, by email.
>
> -- Tim L

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>
> On Wednesday, December 25, 2013 1:17:41 PM UTC, Dodi Schultz wrote:
>
> Nancy's vote is the second to come through in duplicate this round. Like
> Tim L's, it was addressed to Dixonary with a cc: to Dixonary.
>
> When I reply to a message from Dixonary (such as the list of defs, or
> Nancy's vote), there's no cc: that has to be removed. Why are some
> people
> sending, in effect, double messages to Dixonary?
>

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[Jim Hart]

Dodi, I'm with Tim, both in the using the website and in thinking it's the
origin of most if not all the dupes - as I thought had been established
some time back.

Why do I do it that way? Mainly so I don't get every Dixonary message
coming through my inbox. I prefer to leave the messages on the website so
for me it's easier to reply that way too. Voting by email reply as you do
is indeed easier IFF you read the message from your email, but I don't.
OTOH if I'm dealing I generally send a new message by email as it's easier
to compose and edit a long message that way.

FWIW I also get the daily digest by email but only as a backup - it goes
straight to its own folder and generally gets deleted unread a week or so
later.

Why does this method cause dupes? As I think has been established, for some
reason the website reply box often (but not always) includes a default cc
address or two. This may be deselected if one is alert which often I'm not.
Why some replies default this way and others don't is beyond my ken; the
trigger must lie in the original message somehow. I have deselected your cc
this time.




On Friday, December 27, 2013 4:12:02 AM UTC+11, Dodi Schultz wrote:
>
> Okay, then, I guess three people�Nancy, Jim, and you�play by going to
> the
> website to vote instead of replying by e-mail (which seems to me a lot
> easier). Two questions: (1) Why do you choose to play that way? (2) How
> does your doing so result in the dual dispatches?
>
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>
> On 12/26/2013 11:37 AM, Tim Lodge wrote:
> > Dodi
> >
> > I think the Cc: double message problem only applies to people who, like
> > me, play through the Dixonary website on Google Groups, rather than,
> like
> > you I believe, by email.
> >
> > -- Tim L
>
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> >
> > On Wednesday, December 25, 2013 1:17:41 PM UTC, Dodi Schultz wrote:
> >
> > Nancy's vote is the second to come through in duplicate this round.
> Like
> > Tim L's, it was addressed to Dixonary with a cc: to Dixonary.
> >
> > When I reply to a message from Dixonary (such as the list of defs,
> or
> > Nancy's vote), there's no cc: that has to be removed. Why are some
> > people
> > sending, in effect, double messages to Dixonary?
> >
>
>

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[Guerri Stevens]

Jim, I don't know what Email software you use, but in at least some of
them you can filter incoming messages. I am using Thunderbird, and can
filter all messages from Dixonary into a special folder so that they
don't clutter my inbox and so that I don't miss important Dixonary
messages that go unnoticed among other messages.

The issue with the duplicate messages is why Google decided at some
point to automatically set the CC's, whether they can be somehow turned
off either for the group itself or by individual member options, and I
guess finally whether it's worth one of the group moderators complaining
to Google. I wonder whether other groups are annoyed by this and have
complained?

Guerri

On 12/26/2013 6:16 PM, Jim Hart wrote:
> Dodi, I'm with Tim, both in the using the website and in thinking it's
> the origin of most if not all the dupes - as I thought had been
> established some time back.
>
> Why do I do it that way? Mainly so I don't get every Dixonary message
> coming through my inbox. I prefer to leave the messages on the website
> so for me it's easier to reply that way too. Voting by email reply as
> you do is indeed easier IFF you read the message from your email, but
> I don't. OTOH if I'm dealing I generally send a new message by email
> as it's easier to compose and edit a long message that way.
>
> FWIW I also get the daily digest by email but only as a backup - it
> goes straight to its own folder and generally gets deleted unread a
> week or so later.
>
> Why does this method cause dupes? As I think has been established, for
> some reason the website reply box often (but not always) includes a
> default cc address or two. This may be deselected if one is alert
> which often I'm not. Why some replies default this way and others
> don't is beyond my ken; the trigger must lie in the original message
> somehow. I have deselected your cc this time.

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[Jim Hart]

Guerri, I'm also using Thunderbird and realise I could filter Dixonary
messages to their own folder. And in fact I do that already with the daily
digest. Nevertheless I still prefer to use the website, possibly for no
other reason than it's become my habit and that I like the way the messages
are threaded. Each to their own I guess. If my unintended duplicates are a
major problem I will try harder to remember to untick the box but if I
forget I'm sure the reader's delete key will eradicate them quite
effectively.

Jim

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[Dodi Schultz]

On 12/27/2013 8:02 AM, Jim Hart wrote:
> Guerri, I'm also using Thunderbird and realise I could filter Dixonary
> messages to their own folder. And in fact I do that already with the
> daily digest. Nevertheless I still prefer to use the website, possibly
> for no other reason than it's become my habit and that I like the way the
> messages are threaded. Each to their own I guess. If my unintended
> duplicates are a major problem . . .
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Not a major problem here, Jim. I raised the question again because I was
curious about what triggers the dupes.

—Dodi





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[Guerri Stevens]

In my opinion the duplicates are not a major problem. It is just odd
that Google would do whatever it did to cause them to happen. Or I guess
I should say to cause people to have to take an extra step to prevent
them. Maybe there is an overwhelming number of people who wanted that
"feature".

Guerri

On 12/27/2013 8:02 AM, Jim Hart wrote:
> Guerri, I'm also using Thunderbird and realise I could filter Dixonary
> messages to their own folder. And in fact I do that already with the
> daily digest. Nevertheless I still prefer to use the website, possibly
> for no other reason than it's become my habit and that I like the way
> the messages are threaded. Each to their own I guess. If my unintended
> duplicates are a major problem I will try harder to remember to untick
> the box but if I forget I'm sure the reader's delete key will
> eradicate them quite effectively.

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[Johnb - co.uk]

Accepting that we now know how they occur; the interesting thing is that
I am using TB and I do not see the duplicates (I don't normally play
this way but became entangled in the 'dupes' issue so I now have both my
addresses set to receive all mail) -- the normal one plays online via
gmail (not the group) and does see the dupes. This one comes to TB but I
don't see the dupes here.

The only other difference at the ggroups level between the two accounts
is the the gmail account is a manager, while this one isn't

So if Guerri is seeing the duplicates in TB while I am not then it must
be a TB setting difference between us
*
John*

On 27/12/2013 13:02, Jim Hart wrote:
> Guerri, I'm also using Thunderbird and realise I could filter Dixonary
> messages to their own folder. And in fact I do that already with the
> daily digest. Nevertheless I still prefer to use the website, possibly
> for no other reason than it's become my habit and that I like the way
> the messages are threaded. Each to their own I guess. If my unintended
> duplicates are a major problem I will try harder to remember to untick
> the box but if I forget I'm sure the reader's delete key will
> eradicate them quite effectively.
>
> Jim
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[Dodi Schultz]

I'm another Thunderbirder, and I have no particular filters set up, so it
simply places all incoming messages in my inbox. I then decide how to
handle—deleting, printing, replying, filing in one of my folders, or
tagging for later handling, as appropriate. How do you instruct Tbird to
ignore messages that are exact duplicates, John? I don't see any such
choice among the possible settings. (And if yours has such, please say what
version you're using.)

—Dodi

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On 12/27/2013 John Barrs wrote:
> Accepting that we now know how they occur; the interesting thing is that
> I am using TB and I do not see the duplicates (I don't normally play this
> way but became entangled in the 'dupes' issue so I now have both my
> addresses set to receive all mail) -- the normal one plays online via
> gmail (not the group) and does see the dupes. This one comes to TB but I
> don't see the dupes here.
>
> The only other difference at the ggroups level between the two accounts
> is the the gmail account is a manager, while this one isn't
>
> So if Guerri is seeing the duplicates in TB while I am not then it must
> be a TB setting difference between us.



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[Jim Hart]

What causes dupes and why would G put in a default cc? My only guess - and
very much a guess - is that it is to optimise the chance that the original
author sees the reply.

If A posts a message by email to a public group site and B replies to it on
that site, then A will only see the reply if they visit that site, directly
or indirectly via email. Perhaps Ggroups can't tell whether A receives all
group posts so adds the cc line to B's reply as a courtesy. OTOH if B
replies by email then it's up to him and his email program who gets it.

As I said it's ony a guess and doesn't cover all variations, in particular
why sometimes there seems to be a reply to the group and also a cc to the
group.

Jim




On Saturday, December 28, 2013 12:20:43 AM UTC+11, Dodi Schultz wrote:
>
> On 12/27/2013 8:02 AM, Jim Hart wrote:
> > Guerri, I'm also using Thunderbird and realise I could filter Dixonary
> > messages to their own folder. And in fact I do that already with the
> > daily digest. Nevertheless I still prefer to use the website, possibly
> > for no other reason than it's become my habit and that I like the way
> the
> > messages are threaded. Each to their own I guess. If my unintended
> > duplicates are a major problem . . .
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>
> Not a major problem here, Jim. I raised the question again because I was
> curious about what triggers the dupes.
>
> �Dodi
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[Dodi Schultz]

On 12/27/2013 4:57 PM, Jim Hart wrote:
> As I said it's ony a guess and doesn't cover all variations, in
> particular why sometimes there seems to be a reply to the group and also
> a cc to the group.

Jim, what I saw last round on your, Nancy's, and Tim L's votes (and ONLY
those) were identical copies (same time stamp), each of the two /addressed
to the group/ with a /cc to the group/. Since I get all messages addressed
to Dixonary, I got (in each of the three cases) the message to Dixonary and
the copy to Dixonary.

I don't know if it's addressing cc's to any individuals.

It's no big deal. I have a delete key.


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[Jim Hart]

Yes for some reason in the previous round (Millie's deal) when I reply to
the dealer there is a cc to the group which seems more than a tad
redundant. And yet in voting for this round there is no cc. Can't see why
they differ. And FWIW when I respond to any of your messages there is a cc
to your email address, which I usually remember to de-select.


On Saturday, December 28, 2013 9:30:44 AM UTC+11, Dodi Schultz wrote:
>
> On 12/27/2013 4:57 PM, Jim Hart wrote:
> > As I said it's ony a guess and doesn't cover all variations, in
> > particular why sometimes there seems to be a reply to the group and also
> > a cc to the group.
>
> Jim, what I saw last round on your, Nancy's, and Tim L's votes (and ONLY
> those) were identical copies (same time stamp), each of the two /addressed
> to the group/ with a /cc to the group/. Since I get all messages addressed
> to Dixonary, I got (in each of the three cases) the message to Dixonary
> and
> the copy to Dixonary.
>
> I don't know if it's addressing cc's to any individuals.
>
> It's no big deal. I have a delete key.
>
>
>

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[Guerri Stevens]

John, I can well believe that there's a difference in settings in TBird
between mine and yours. Dodi also uses TBird and she too sees the
duplicates. I wonder whether it has something to do with the filters? I
filter incoming messages so that they go to my Dixonary folder. The
filter says that the subject contains [Dixonary] and To doesn't contain
my personal Email address.

Another oddity is that in one round, I think the one immediately past,
Dodi reported a duplicate that I *didn't* get.

And I am not sure I buy the theory that Google's has the cc's by default
so that no one will miss messages. Offhand I can't see why that would
make sense. Someone logs into the group and posts a message to the
group. Why would it make sense for Google to add a CC to the group?

Guerri
On 12/27/2013 11:37 AM, Johnb - co.uk wrote:
> Accepting that we now know how they occur; the interesting thing is
> that I am using TB and I do not see the duplicates (I don't normally
> play this way but became entangled in the 'dupes' issue so I now have
> both my addresses set to receive all mail) -- the normal one plays
> online via gmail (not the group) and does see the dupes. This one
> comes to TB but I don't see the dupes here.
>
> The only other difference at the ggroups level between the two
> accounts is the the gmail account is a manager, while this one isn't
>
> So if Guerri is seeing the duplicates in TB while I am not then it
> must be a TB setting difference between us
> *
> John*
>
> On 27/12/2013 13:02, Jim Hart wrote:
>> Guerri, I'm also using Thunderbird and realise I could filter
>> Dixonary messages to their own folder. And in fact I do that already
>> with the daily digest. Nevertheless I still prefer to use the
>> website, possibly for no other reason than it's become my habit and
>> that I like the way the messages are threaded. Each to their own I
>> guess. If my unintended duplicates are a major problem I will try
>> harder to remember to untick the box but if I forget I'm sure the
>> reader's delete key will eradicate them quite effectively.
>>
>> Jim
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[Guerri Stevens]

While we are talking about Tbird: I posted my filters in a reply to
John, but I will mention here that I'm using Tbird version 17.0.2.


Guerri

On 12/27/2013 12:26 PM, Dodi Schultz wrote:
> I'm another Thunderbirder, and I have no particular filters set up, so it
> simply places all incoming messages in my inbox. I then decide how to
> handle—deleting, printing, replying, filing in one of my folders, or
> tagging for later handling, as appropriate. How do you instruct Tbird
> to ignore messages that are exact duplicates, John? I don't see any
> such choice among the possible settings. (And if yours has such,
> please say what version you're using.)
>
> —Dodi
>
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[John Barrs]

Guerri

>Why would it make sense for Google to add a CC to the group?

wrong question!

sense doesn't come in to it, we are talking about Google and it has
contorted logic to replace sense

I also filter to a dixonary folder
my filter is very simple
[x] getting new mail 'run before Junk classification'// subject contains
[Disxonary]/Mive message to Dixon (folder)


JohnnyB


On 28 December 2013 12:09, Guerri Stevens <guerri (AT) guerristevens (DOT) com> wrote:

> John, I can well believe that there's a difference in settings in TBird
> between mine and yours. Dodi also uses TBird and she too sees the
> duplicates. I wonder whether it has something to do with the filters? I
> filter incoming messages so that they go to my Dixonary folder. The filter
> says that the subject contains [Dixonary] and To doesn't contain my
> personal Email address.
>
> Another oddity is that in one round, I think the one immediately past,
> Dodi reported a duplicate that I *didn't* get.
>
> And I am not sure I buy the theory that Google's has the cc's by default
> so that no one will miss messages. Offhand I can't see why that would make
> sense. Someone logs into the group and posts a message to the group. Why
> would it make sense for Google to add a CC to the group?
>
> Guerri
>
> On 12/27/2013 11:37 AM, Johnb - co.uk wrote:
>
>> Accepting that we now know how they occur; the interesting thing is that
>> I am using TB and I do not see the duplicates (I don't normally play this
>> way but became entangled in the 'dupes' issue so I now have both my
>> addresses set to receive all mail) -- the normal one plays online via gmail
>> (not the group) and does see the dupes. This one comes to TB but I don't
>> see the dupes here.
>>
>> The only other difference at the ggroups level between the two accounts
>> is the the gmail account is a manager, while this one isn't
>>
>> So if Guerri is seeing the duplicates in TB while I am not then it must
>> be a TB setting difference between us
>> *
>> John*
>>
>>
>> On 27/12/2013 13:02, Jim Hart wrote:
>>
>>> Guerri, I'm also using Thunderbird and realise I could filter Dixonary
>>> messages to their own folder. And in fact I do that already with the daily
>>> digest. Nevertheless I still prefer to use the website, possibly for no
>>> other reason than it's become my habit and that I like the way the messages
>>> are threaded. Each to their own I guess. If my unintended duplicates are a
>>> major problem I will try harder to remember to untick the box but if I
>>> forget I'm sure the reader's delete key will eradicate them quite
>>> effectively.
>>>
>>> Jim
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