[Dixonary] Round 2427 results

[Millie Morgan]

The winner of Round 2427 is Johnny Barrs with 5 natural points, followed
closely by Steve Graham with 5 unnatural points.
The dictionary definition (No. 6) was lamentable, and was chosen by Hugo
Kornelis, Steve Graham and Mike Shefler.

Congratulations JohnnyB, and welcome back :)

Millie
------------------------------**------------------

FUNEST

1: An advance or a loan, especially for services rendered to a government
Voted for by nobody
FROM Chris Carson who voted 7 and 10, and scores 0 + 0 = 0

2: To supply; to provision
Voted for by nobody
FROM Tim Lodge who voted 10 and 14, and scores 0 + 0 = 0

3: A preparation largely composed of fish oil and beeswax used to polish
Japanese lacquered furniture
Voted for by: Tim Bourne
FROM Glen Boswell who voted 7 and 10, and scores 1 + 0 = 1

4: a type of bulbous cyst commonly found on the leaves of certain
eucalpytus species
Voted for by nobody
FROM Mike Shefler who voted 5 and *6*, and scores 0 + 2 = 2*

5: [Obs] The route of a funerary procession
Voted for by: Johnny Barrs, Mike Shefler, Dave Cunningham
FROM Steve Graham who voted *6* and 19, and scores 3 + 2 = 5*

6: lamentable; doleful
Voted for by: Steve Graham, Mike Shefler, Hugo Kornelis
FROM Webster's 1913 which can't vote, and scores D3

7: a deep steep sided bowl shaped hollow at the head of a glaciated
valley - see also cwm, corrie or cirque
Voted for by: Glen Boswell, Dick Weltz, Chris Carson, Steve Dixon, Dan
Widdis
FROM Johnny Barrs who voted 5 and 11, and scores 5 + 0 = 5

8: laboratory flask having a globular shape with two tubes projecting from
its top
Voted for by: Keith Hale, Matthew Grieco, Dodi Schultz
FROM Dick Weltz who voted 7 and 12, and scores 3 + 0 = 3

9: the measure of angular distance travelled by a moving pendulum
Voted for by nobody
FROM Nancy Shepherdson who didn't vote, and scores 0 + 0 = 0

10: a candelabra
Voted for by: Glen Boswell, Chris Carson, Tim Lodge, Dodi Schultz
FROM Matthew Grieco who voted 8 and 18, and scores 4 + 0 = 4

11: in a medieval castle or fortress, an opening in a projecting parapet
through which missiles could be dropped on attackers
Voted for by: Johnny Barrs, Efrem Mallach, Dan Widdis
FROM Guerri Stevens who voted 17 and 19, and scores 3 + 0 = 3

12: The highest inside point of an arch
Voted for by: Dick Weltz, Judy Madnick, Efrem Mallach, Dave Cunningham
FROM Tony Abell who voted 15 and 18, and scores 4 + 0 = 4

13: manuscript or paper that is erased and then written over
Voted for by: Keith Hale
FROM Judy Madnick who voted 12 and 15, and scores 1 + 0 = 1

14: a turf, or fat land
Voted for by: Tim Lodge, Tim Bourne
FROM Dan Widdis who voted 7 and 11, and scores 2 + 0 = 2

15: a peak or pinnacle
Voted for by: Judy Madnick, Steve Dixon, Tony Abell
FROM Dodi Schultz who voted 8 and 10, and scores 3 + 0 = 3

16: [Ital.] a gaseous outflow from a volcano vent
Voted for by: Hugo Kornelis
FROM Chuck Emery who didn't vote, and scores 1 + 0 = 1

17: crude, home-made fuel made from high alcohol content distilled spirits,
usually corn
Voted for by: Guerri Stevens
FROM Keith Hale who voted 8 and 13, and scores 1 + 0 = 1

18: articulated arm and nozzle for delivering stored grain products to a
barge or railroad car
Voted for by: Matthew Grieco, Tony Abell
FROM Steve Dixon who voted 7 and 15, and scores 2 + 0 = 2

19: Type of shovel used in digging tunnels before the development of boring
machines
Voted for by: Guerri Stevens, Steve Graham
FROM Efrem Mallach who voted 11 and 12, and scores 2 + 0 = 2

No def
FROM Tim Bourne who voted 3 and 14, and scores 0 + 0 = 0

No def
FROM Hugo Kornelis who voted *6* and 16, and scores 0 + 2 = 2*

No def
FROM Dave Cunningham who voted 5 and 12, and scores 0 + 0 = 0

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[Hugo Kornelis]

Congrats, Johnny and Steve!

Now that the round is over, I do have a question regarding the rules,
and how to apply them. For this particular round, I was torn between
DQ'ing or not.

As you probably all know, I am not a native English speaker. I was born
and have spent my entire life in the Netherlands, and Dutch is my native
language. Now the word of this round, funest, is a very common Dutch
word, with the same meaning as the (apparently less common) English
word. I just checked the etymology of funest; according to
dictionary.com it comes from French - and I assume the Dutch got this
word from the same source.

According to the rules, a player has to DQ him-/herself when they "know
the word". I knew the word funest - but as a Dutch word only, I had
never before seen it in English. So I did know the Dutch word funest,
but not the English word funest. I did have a strong suspicion that the
words might have the same common etymology and hence the same meaning.
But a strong suspicion is not the same as knowing. (There are also
English words that look exactly like Dutch words, yet have a completely
different meaning).

Did I use the right interpretation? Or should I have DQ'ed myself?
I have deliberately waited for the round to end before bringing this up,
but I am now looking for opinions. If the majority thinks I should have
DQ'ed, then that's what I will do if a similar situation comes up again,
and I'll return the two points I gained this round.

Cheers,
Hugo


Op 28-7-2013 14:41, Millie Morgan schreef:
> The winner of Round 2427 is Johnny Barrs with 5 natural points,
> followed closely by Steve Graham with 5 unnatural points.
> The dictionary definition (No. 6) was lamentable, and was chosen by
> Hugo Kornelis, Steve Graham and Mike Shefler.
>
> Congratulations JohnnyB, and welcome back :)
>
> Millie
> ------------------------------------------------
>
> FUNEST
>
> 1: An advance or a loan, especially for services rendered to a government
> Voted for by nobody
> FROM Chris Carson who voted 7 and 10, and scores 0 + 0 = 0
>
> 2: To supply; to provision
> Voted for by nobody
> FROM Tim Lodge who voted 10 and 14, and scores 0 + 0 = 0
>
> 3: A preparation largely composed of fish oil and beeswax used to polish
> Japanese lacquered furniture
> Voted for by: Tim Bourne
> FROM Glen Boswell who voted 7 and 10, and scores 1 + 0 = 1
>
> 4: a type of bulbous cyst commonly found on the leaves of certain
> eucalpytus species
> Voted for by nobody
> FROM Mike Shefler who voted 5 and *6*, and scores 0 + 2 = 2*
>
> 5: [Obs] The route of a funerary procession
> Voted for by: Johnny Barrs, Mike Shefler, Dave Cunningham
> FROM Steve Graham who voted *6* and 19, and scores 3 + 2 = 5*
>
> 6: lamentable; doleful
> Voted for by: Steve Graham, Mike Shefler, Hugo Kornelis
> FROM Webster's 1913 which can't vote, and scores D3
>
> 7: a deep steep sided bowl shaped hollow at the head of a glaciated
> valley - see also cwm, corrie or cirque
> Voted for by: Glen Boswell, Dick Weltz, Chris Carson, Steve Dixon, Dan
> Widdis
> FROM Johnny Barrs who voted 5 and 11, and scores 5 + 0 = 5
>
> 8: laboratory flask having a globular shape with two tubes projecting from
> its top
> Voted for by: Keith Hale, Matthew Grieco, Dodi Schultz
> FROM Dick Weltz who voted 7 and 12, and scores 3 + 0 = 3
>
> 9: the measure of angular distance travelled by a moving pendulum
> Voted for by nobody
> FROM Nancy Shepherdson who didn't vote, and scores 0 + 0 = 0
>
> 10: a candelabra
> Voted for by: Glen Boswell, Chris Carson, Tim Lodge, Dodi Schultz
> FROM Matthew Grieco who voted 8 and 18, and scores 4 + 0 = 4
>
> 11: in a medieval castle or fortress, an opening in a projecting parapet
> through which missiles could be dropped on attackers
> Voted for by: Johnny Barrs, Efrem Mallach, Dan Widdis
> FROM Guerri Stevens who voted 17 and 19, and scores 3 + 0 = 3
>
> 12: The highest inside point of an arch
> Voted for by: Dick Weltz, Judy Madnick, Efrem Mallach, Dave Cunningham
> FROM Tony Abell who voted 15 and 18, and scores 4 + 0 = 4
>
> 13: manuscript or paper that is erased and then written over
> Voted for by: Keith Hale
> FROM Judy Madnick who voted 12 and 15, and scores 1 + 0 = 1
>
> 14: a turf, or fat land
> Voted for by: Tim Lodge, Tim Bourne
> FROM Dan Widdis who voted 7 and 11, and scores 2 + 0 = 2
>
> 15: a peak or pinnacle
> Voted for by: Judy Madnick, Steve Dixon, Tony Abell
> FROM Dodi Schultz who voted 8 and 10, and scores 3 + 0 = 3
>
> 16: [Ital.] a gaseous outflow from a volcano vent
> Voted for by: Hugo Kornelis
> FROM Chuck Emery who didn't vote, and scores 1 + 0 = 1
>
> 17: crude, home-made fuel made from high alcohol content distilled
> spirits,
> usually corn
> Voted for by: Guerri Stevens
> FROM Keith Hale who voted 8 and 13, and scores 1 + 0 = 1
>
> 18: articulated arm and nozzle for delivering stored grain products to a
> barge or railroad car
> Voted for by: Matthew Grieco, Tony Abell
> FROM Steve Dixon who voted 7 and 15, and scores 2 + 0 = 2
>
> 19: Type of shovel used in digging tunnels before the development of
> boring
> machines
> Voted for by: Guerri Stevens, Steve Graham
> FROM Efrem Mallach who voted 11 and 12, and scores 2 + 0 = 2
>
> No def
> FROM Tim Bourne who voted 3 and 14, and scores 0 + 0 = 0
>
> No def
> FROM Hugo Kornelis who voted *6* and 16, and scores 0 + 2 = 2*
>
> No def
> FROM Dave Cunningham who voted 5 and 12, and scores 0 + 0 = 0
>
>
>
>
>
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[Dodi Schultz]

No, I don't think that you were obliged to DQ.

—Dodi



On 7/28/2013 8:57 AM, Hugo Kornelis wrote:
> Congrats, Johnny and Steve!
>
> Now that the round is over, I do have a question regarding the rules, and
> how to apply them. For this particular round, I was torn between DQ'ing
> or not.
>
> As you probably all know, I am not a native English speaker. I was born
> and have spent my entire life in the Netherlands, and Dutch is my native
> language. Now the word of this round, funest, is a very common Dutch
> word, with the same meaning as the (apparently less common) English word.
> I just checked the etymology of funest; according to dictionary.com it
> comes from French - and I assume the Dutch got this word from the same
> source.
>
> According to the rules, a player has to DQ him-/herself when they "know
> the word". I knew the word funest - but as a Dutch word only, I had never
> before seen it in English. So I did know the Dutch word funest, but not
> the English word funest. I did have a strong suspicion that the words
> might have the same common etymology and hence the same meaning. But a
> strong suspicion is not the same as knowing. (There are also English
> words that look exactly like Dutch words, yet have a completely different
> meaning).
>
> Did I use the right interpretation? Or should I have DQ'ed myself?
> I have deliberately waited for the round to end before bringing this up,
> but I am now looking for opinions. If the majority thinks I should have
> DQ'ed, then that's what I will do if a similar situation comes up again,
> and I'll return the two points I gained this round.
>
> Cheers,
> Hugo

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[John Barrs]

Hugo

my personal opinion is that you were not DQ.

Far too may amusing translations into English that we see on various EU
based products are caused by the originator thinking that they know the
meaning In English of a word they know in their own language when the
actual word has changed meanings radically over the time of separation form
any root - heck, it happens even in our own languages (for example the word
'scope' in English used to mean 'the aim, the goal') and our two 'across
the pond' languages also demonstrate a differential.
JohnnyB


On 28 July 2013 13:57, Hugo Kornelis <hugo (AT) perfact (DOT) info> wrote:

> Congrats, Johnny and Steve!
>
> Now that the round is over, I do have a question regarding the rules, and
> how to apply them. For this particular round, I was torn between DQ'ing or
> not.
>
> As you probably all know, I am not a native English speaker. I was born
> and have spent my entire life in the Netherlands, and Dutch is my native
> language. Now the word of this round, funest, is a very common Dutch word,
> with the same meaning as the (apparently less common) English word. I just
> checked the etymology of funest; according to dictionary.com it comes
> from French - and I assume the Dutch got this word from the same source.
>
> According to the rules, a player has to DQ him-/herself when they "know
> the word". I knew the word funest - but as a Dutch word only, I had never
> before seen it in English. So I did know the Dutch word funest, but not the
> English word funest. I did have a strong suspicion that the words might
> have the same common etymology and hence the same meaning. But a strong
> suspicion is not the same as knowing. (There are also English words that
> look exactly like Dutch words, yet have a completely different meaning).
>
> Did I use the right interpretation? Or should I have DQ'ed myself?
> I have deliberately waited for the round to end before bringing this up,
> but I am now looking for opinions. If the majority thinks I should have
> DQ'ed, then that's what I will do if a similar situation comes up again,
> and I'll return the two points I gained this round.
>
> Cheers,
> Hugo
>
>
> Op 28-7-2013 14:41, Millie Morgan schreef:
>
>> The winner of Round 2427 is Johnny Barrs with 5 natural points, followed
>> closely by Steve Graham with 5 unnatural points.
>> The dictionary definition (No. 6) was lamentable, and was chosen by Hugo
>> Kornelis, Steve Graham and Mike Shefler.
>>
>> Congratulations JohnnyB, and welcome back :)
>>
>> Millie
>> ------------------------------**------------------
>>
>> FUNEST
>>
>> 1: An advance or a loan, especially for services rendered to a government
>> Voted for by nobody
>> FROM Chris Carson who voted 7 and 10, and scores 0 + 0 = 0
>>
>> 2: To supply; to provision
>> Voted for by nobody
>> FROM Tim Lodge who voted 10 and 14, and scores 0 + 0 = 0
>>
>> 3: A preparation largely composed of fish oil and beeswax used to polish
>> Japanese lacquered furniture
>> Voted for by: Tim Bourne
>> FROM Glen Boswell who voted 7 and 10, and scores 1 + 0 = 1
>>
>> 4: a type of bulbous cyst commonly found on the leaves of certain
>> eucalpytus species
>> Voted for by nobody
>> FROM Mike Shefler who voted 5 and *6*, and scores 0 + 2 = 2*
>>
>> 5: [Obs] The route of a funerary procession
>> Voted for by: Johnny Barrs, Mike Shefler, Dave Cunningham
>> FROM Steve Graham who voted *6* and 19, and scores 3 + 2 = 5*
>>
>> 6: lamentable; doleful
>> Voted for by: Steve Graham, Mike Shefler, Hugo Kornelis
>> FROM Webster's 1913 which can't vote, and scores D3
>>
>> 7: a deep steep sided bowl shaped hollow at the head of a glaciated
>> valley - see also cwm, corrie or cirque
>> Voted for by: Glen Boswell, Dick Weltz, Chris Carson, Steve Dixon, Dan
>> Widdis
>> FROM Johnny Barrs who voted 5 and 11, and scores 5 + 0 = 5
>>
>> 8: laboratory flask having a globular shape with two tubes projecting from
>> its top
>> Voted for by: Keith Hale, Matthew Grieco, Dodi Schultz
>> FROM Dick Weltz who voted 7 and 12, and scores 3 + 0 = 3
>>
>> 9: the measure of angular distance travelled by a moving pendulum
>> Voted for by nobody
>> FROM Nancy Shepherdson who didn't vote, and scores 0 + 0 = 0
>>
>> 10: a candelabra
>> Voted for by: Glen Boswell, Chris Carson, Tim Lodge, Dodi Schultz
>> FROM Matthew Grieco who voted 8 and 18, and scores 4 + 0 = 4
>>
>> 11: in a medieval castle or fortress, an opening in a projecting parapet
>> through which missiles could be dropped on attackers
>> Voted for by: Johnny Barrs, Efrem Mallach, Dan Widdis
>> FROM Guerri Stevens who voted 17 and 19, and scores 3 + 0 = 3
>>
>> 12: The highest inside point of an arch
>> Voted for by: Dick Weltz, Judy Madnick, Efrem Mallach, Dave Cunningham
>> FROM Tony Abell who voted 15 and 18, and scores 4 + 0 = 4
>>
>> 13: manuscript or paper that is erased and then written over
>> Voted for by: Keith Hale
>> FROM Judy Madnick who voted 12 and 15, and scores 1 + 0 = 1
>>
>> 14: a turf, or fat land
>> Voted for by: Tim Lodge, Tim Bourne
>> FROM Dan Widdis who voted 7 and 11, and scores 2 + 0 = 2
>>
>> 15: a peak or pinnacle
>> Voted for by: Judy Madnick, Steve Dixon, Tony Abell
>> FROM Dodi Schultz who voted 8 and 10, and scores 3 + 0 = 3
>>
>> 16: [Ital.] a gaseous outflow from a volcano vent
>> Voted for by: Hugo Kornelis
>> FROM Chuck Emery who didn't vote, and scores 1 + 0 = 1
>>
>> 17: crude, home-made fuel made from high alcohol content distilled
>> spirits,
>> usually corn
>> Voted for by: Guerri Stevens
>> FROM Keith Hale who voted 8 and 13, and scores 1 + 0 = 1
>>
>> 18: articulated arm and nozzle for delivering stored grain products to a
>> barge or railroad car
>> Voted for by: Matthew Grieco, Tony Abell
>> FROM Steve Dixon who voted 7 and 15, and scores 2 + 0 = 2
>>
>> 19: Type of shovel used in digging tunnels before the development of
>> boring
>> machines
>> Voted for by: Guerri Stevens, Steve Graham
>> FROM Efrem Mallach who voted 11 and 12, and scores 2 + 0 = 2
>>
>> No def
>> FROM Tim Bourne who voted 3 and 14, and scores 0 + 0 = 0
>>
>> No def
>> FROM Hugo Kornelis who voted *6* and 16, and scores 0 + 2 = 2*
>>
>> No def
>> FROM Dave Cunningham who voted 5 and 12, and scores 0 + 0 = 0
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[France International/Mike Shefler]

Close call. I would probably have erred on the side of caution and DQ'ed.

Mike

On 7/28/2013 8:57 AM, Hugo Kornelis wrote:
> Congrats, Johnny and Steve!
>
> Now that the round is over, I do have a question regarding the rules,
> and how to apply them. For this particular round, I was torn between
> DQ'ing or not.
>
> As you probably all know, I am not a native English speaker. I was
> born and have spent my entire life in the Netherlands, and Dutch is my
> native language. Now the word of this round, funest, is a very common
> Dutch word, with the same meaning as the (apparently less common)
> English word. I just checked the etymology of funest; according to
> dictionary.com it comes from French - and I assume the Dutch got this
> word from the same source.
>
> According to the rules, a player has to DQ him-/herself when they
> "know the word". I knew the word funest - but as a Dutch word only, I
> had never before seen it in English. So I did know the Dutch word
> funest, but not the English word funest. I did have a strong suspicion
> that the words might have the same common etymology and hence the same
> meaning. But a strong suspicion is not the same as knowing. (There are
> also English words that look exactly like Dutch words, yet have a
> completely different meaning).
>
> Did I use the right interpretation? Or should I have DQ'ed myself?
> I have deliberately waited for the round to end before bringing this
> up, but I am now looking for opinions. If the majority thinks I should
> have DQ'ed, then that's what I will do if a similar situation comes up
> again, and I'll return the two points I gained this round.
>
> Cheers,
> Hugo
>
>
> Op 28-7-2013 14:41, Millie Morgan schreef:
>> The winner of Round 2427 is Johnny Barrs with 5 natural points,
>> followed closely by Steve Graham with 5 unnatural points.
>> The dictionary definition (No. 6) was lamentable, and was chosen by
>> Hugo Kornelis, Steve Graham and Mike Shefler.
>>
>> Congratulations JohnnyB, and welcome back :)
>>
>> Millie
>> ------------------------------------------------
>>
>> FUNEST
>>
>> 1: An advance or a loan, especially for services rendered to a
>> government
>> Voted for by nobody
>> FROM Chris Carson who voted 7 and 10, and scores 0 + 0 = 0
>>
>> 2: To supply; to provision
>> Voted for by nobody
>> FROM Tim Lodge who voted 10 and 14, and scores 0 + 0 = 0
>>
>> 3: A preparation largely composed of fish oil and beeswax used to polish
>> Japanese lacquered furniture
>> Voted for by: Tim Bourne
>> FROM Glen Boswell who voted 7 and 10, and scores 1 + 0 = 1
>>
>> 4: a type of bulbous cyst commonly found on the leaves of certain
>> eucalpytus species
>> Voted for by nobody
>> FROM Mike Shefler who voted 5 and *6*, and scores 0 + 2 = 2*
>>
>> 5: [Obs] The route of a funerary procession
>> Voted for by: Johnny Barrs, Mike Shefler, Dave Cunningham
>> FROM Steve Graham who voted *6* and 19, and scores 3 + 2 = 5*
>>
>> 6: lamentable; doleful
>> Voted for by: Steve Graham, Mike Shefler, Hugo Kornelis
>> FROM Webster's 1913 which can't vote, and scores D3
>>
>> 7: a deep steep sided bowl shaped hollow at the head of a glaciated
>> valley - see also cwm, corrie or cirque
>> Voted for by: Glen Boswell, Dick Weltz, Chris Carson, Steve Dixon, Dan
>> Widdis
>> FROM Johnny Barrs who voted 5 and 11, and scores 5 + 0 = 5
>>
>> 8: laboratory flask having a globular shape with two tubes projecting
>> from
>> its top
>> Voted for by: Keith Hale, Matthew Grieco, Dodi Schultz
>> FROM Dick Weltz who voted 7 and 12, and scores 3 + 0 = 3
>>
>> 9: the measure of angular distance travelled by a moving pendulum
>> Voted for by nobody
>> FROM Nancy Shepherdson who didn't vote, and scores 0 + 0 = 0
>>
>> 10: a candelabra
>> Voted for by: Glen Boswell, Chris Carson, Tim Lodge, Dodi Schultz
>> FROM Matthew Grieco who voted 8 and 18, and scores 4 + 0 = 4
>>
>> 11: in a medieval castle or fortress, an opening in a projecting parapet
>> through which missiles could be dropped on attackers
>> Voted for by: Johnny Barrs, Efrem Mallach, Dan Widdis
>> FROM Guerri Stevens who voted 17 and 19, and scores 3 + 0 = 3
>>
>> 12: The highest inside point of an arch
>> Voted for by: Dick Weltz, Judy Madnick, Efrem Mallach, Dave Cunningham
>> FROM Tony Abell who voted 15 and 18, and scores 4 + 0 = 4
>>
>> 13: manuscript or paper that is erased and then written over
>> Voted for by: Keith Hale
>> FROM Judy Madnick who voted 12 and 15, and scores 1 + 0 = 1
>>
>> 14: a turf, or fat land
>> Voted for by: Tim Lodge, Tim Bourne
>> FROM Dan Widdis who voted 7 and 11, and scores 2 + 0 = 2
>>
>> 15: a peak or pinnacle
>> Voted for by: Judy Madnick, Steve Dixon, Tony Abell
>> FROM Dodi Schultz who voted 8 and 10, and scores 3 + 0 = 3
>>
>> 16: [Ital.] a gaseous outflow from a volcano vent
>> Voted for by: Hugo Kornelis
>> FROM Chuck Emery who didn't vote, and scores 1 + 0 = 1
>>
>> 17: crude, home-made fuel made from high alcohol content distilled
>> spirits,
>> usually corn
>> Voted for by: Guerri Stevens
>> FROM Keith Hale who voted 8 and 13, and scores 1 + 0 = 1
>>
>> 18: articulated arm and nozzle for delivering stored grain products to a
>> barge or railroad car
>> Voted for by: Matthew Grieco, Tony Abell
>> FROM Steve Dixon who voted 7 and 15, and scores 2 + 0 = 2
>>
>> 19: Type of shovel used in digging tunnels before the development of
>> boring
>> machines
>> Voted for by: Guerri Stevens, Steve Graham
>> FROM Efrem Mallach who voted 11 and 12, and scores 2 + 0 = 2
>>
>> No def
>> FROM Tim Bourne who voted 3 and 14, and scores 0 + 0 = 0
>>
>> No def
>> FROM Hugo Kornelis who voted *6* and 16, and scores 0 + 2 = 2*
>>
>> No def
>> FROM Dave Cunningham who voted 5 and 12, and scores 0 + 0 = 0
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[Efrem Mallach]

Hugo,

I don't have nearly as much experience at this as some of the other players who replied, but from where I sit it looks like this:

This isn't much different from knowing a Latin or Greek root that resembles the word and guessing that they're related. You took a chance that the English word meant the same as a Dutch word you knew. That improved your odds, but didn't make it a sure thing (as knowing the English word would have). We all do whatever we can to improve our chances. We may not know Dutch, but each of us has some area of knowledge that you don't. Once in a while one of those areas pays off. This was your turn to get a payoff from your area of knowledge. Keep the points.

Efrem

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On Jul 28, 2013, at 8:57 AM, Hugo Kornelis <hugo (AT) perFact (DOT) info> wrote:

> Congrats, Johnny and Steve!
>
> Now that the round is over, I do have a question regarding the rules, and how to apply them. For this particular round, I was torn between DQ'ing or not.
>
> As you probably all know, I am not a native English speaker. I was born and have spent my entire life in the Netherlands, and Dutch is my native language. Now the word of this round, funest, is a very common Dutch word, with the same meaning as the (apparently less common) English word. I just checked the etymology of funest; according to dictionary.com it comes from French - and I assume the Dutch got this word from the same source.
>
> According to the rules, a player has to DQ him-/herself when they "know the word". I knew the word funest - but as a Dutch word only, I had never before seen it in English. So I did know the Dutch word funest, but not the English word funest. I did have a strong suspicion that the words might have the same common etymology and hence the same meaning. But a strong suspicion is not the same as knowing. (There are also English words that look exactly like Dutch words, yet have a completely different meaning).
>
> Did I use the right interpretation? Or should I have DQ'ed myself?
> I have deliberately waited for the round to end before bringing this up, but I am now looking for opinions. If the majority thinks I should have DQ'ed, then that's what I will do if a similar situation comes up again, and I'll return the two points I gained this round.
>
> Cheers,
> Hugo
>
>
> Op 28-7-2013 14:41, Millie Morgan schreef:
>> The winner of Round 2427 is Johnny Barrs with 5 natural points, followed closely by Steve Graham with 5 unnatural points.
>> The dictionary definition (No. 6) was lamentable, and was chosen by Hugo Kornelis, Steve Graham and Mike Shefler.
>>
>> Congratulations JohnnyB, and welcome back :)
>>
>> Millie
>> ------------------------------------------------
>>
>> FUNEST
>>
>> 1: An advance or a loan, especially for services rendered to a government
>> Voted for by nobody
>> FROM Chris Carson who voted 7 and 10, and scores 0 + 0 = 0
>>
>> 2: To supply; to provision
>> Voted for by nobody
>> FROM Tim Lodge who voted 10 and 14, and scores 0 + 0 = 0
>>
>> 3: A preparation largely composed of fish oil and beeswax used to polish
>> Japanese lacquered furniture
>> Voted for by: Tim Bourne
>> FROM Glen Boswell who voted 7 and 10, and scores 1 + 0 = 1
>>
>> 4: a type of bulbous cyst commonly found on the leaves of certain
>> eucalpytus species
>> Voted for by nobody
>> FROM Mike Shefler who voted 5 and *6*, and scores 0 + 2 = 2*
>>
>> 5: [Obs] The route of a funerary procession
>> Voted for by: Johnny Barrs, Mike Shefler, Dave Cunningham
>> FROM Steve Graham who voted *6* and 19, and scores 3 + 2 = 5*
>>
>> 6: lamentable; doleful
>> Voted for by: Steve Graham, Mike Shefler, Hugo Kornelis
>> FROM Webster's 1913 which can't vote, and scores D3
>>
>> 7: a deep steep sided bowl shaped hollow at the head of a glaciated
>> valley - see also cwm, corrie or cirque
>> Voted for by: Glen Boswell, Dick Weltz, Chris Carson, Steve Dixon, Dan
>> Widdis
>> FROM Johnny Barrs who voted 5 and 11, and scores 5 + 0 = 5
>>
>> 8: laboratory flask having a globular shape with two tubes projecting from
>> its top
>> Voted for by: Keith Hale, Matthew Grieco, Dodi Schultz
>> FROM Dick Weltz who voted 7 and 12, and scores 3 + 0 = 3
>>
>> 9: the measure of angular distance travelled by a moving pendulum
>> Voted for by nobody
>> FROM Nancy Shepherdson who didn't vote, and scores 0 + 0 = 0
>>
>> 10: a candelabra
>> Voted for by: Glen Boswell, Chris Carson, Tim Lodge, Dodi Schultz
>> FROM Matthew Grieco who voted 8 and 18, and scores 4 + 0 = 4
>>
>> 11: in a medieval castle or fortress, an opening in a projecting parapet
>> through which missiles could be dropped on attackers
>> Voted for by: Johnny Barrs, Efrem Mallach, Dan Widdis
>> FROM Guerri Stevens who voted 17 and 19, and scores 3 + 0 = 3
>>
>> 12: The highest inside point of an arch
>> Voted for by: Dick Weltz, Judy Madnick, Efrem Mallach, Dave Cunningham
>> FROM Tony Abell who voted 15 and 18, and scores 4 + 0 = 4
>>
>> 13: manuscript or paper that is erased and then written over
>> Voted for by: Keith Hale
>> FROM Judy Madnick who voted 12 and 15, and scores 1 + 0 = 1
>>
>> 14: a turf, or fat land
>> Voted for by: Tim Lodge, Tim Bourne
>> FROM Dan Widdis who voted 7 and 11, and scores 2 + 0 = 2
>>
>> 15: a peak or pinnacle
>> Voted for by: Judy Madnick, Steve Dixon, Tony Abell
>> FROM Dodi Schultz who voted 8 and 10, and scores 3 + 0 = 3
>>
>> 16: [Ital.] a gaseous outflow from a volcano vent
>> Voted for by: Hugo Kornelis
>> FROM Chuck Emery who didn't vote, and scores 1 + 0 = 1
>>
>> 17: crude, home-made fuel made from high alcohol content distilled spirits,
>> usually corn
>> Voted for by: Guerri Stevens
>> FROM Keith Hale who voted 8 and 13, and scores 1 + 0 = 1
>>
>> 18: articulated arm and nozzle for delivering stored grain products to a
>> barge or railroad car
>> Voted for by: Matthew Grieco, Tony Abell
>> FROM Steve Dixon who voted 7 and 15, and scores 2 + 0 = 2
>>
>> 19: Type of shovel used in digging tunnels before the development of boring
>> machines
>> Voted for by: Guerri Stevens, Steve Graham
>> FROM Efrem Mallach who voted 11 and 12, and scores 2 + 0 = 2
>>
>> No def
>> FROM Tim Bourne who voted 3 and 14, and scores 0 + 0 = 0
>>
>> No def
>> FROM Hugo Kornelis who voted *6* and 16, and scores 0 + 2 = 2*
>>
>> No def
>> FROM Dave Cunningham who voted 5 and 12, and scores 0 + 0 = 0
>>
>>
>>
>>
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