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Jim Hart
December 12th, 2012, 04:18 PM
As you will have noticed from the earlier posting, I jumped the gun by
some 7 hours in closing this round. It's too late to undo that but I can
however include Glen's vote which I found languishing in the unread
postings and which picked the real def. So now this is version 3 of the
results in which Glen gets an extra 2 and I move sadly to a D2. I hope
this is the last amendment.


1. unimaginative or dull.
from Guerri Stevens: voted 8 & 14 scored 1+0=1

2. to expand or improve upon
from Dick Weltz: voted 8 & 11 scored 1+0=1

3. A tendency or propensity.
from Chris Carson: voted 5 & 7 scored 1+2=3

4. To draw in; to swallow. [Obs.]
from Dan Widdis: voted 6 & 18 scored 1+0=1

5. the lintel of a door or window
from Shorter Oxford: n.v. D3

6. [obs] to build up or make larger.
from Tony Abell: n.v. scored 2+0=2

7. to prove or demonstrate _archaic_
from Dave Cunningham: voted 13 & 19 scored 3+0=3

8. a generous or merciful act; a favor
from Dodi Schultz: voted 14 & 19 scored 5+0=5!!

9. avoid; ignore; to shirk a task or duty.
from Steve Dixon: voted 11 & 14 scored 3+0=3

10. [obs] a knight of the Hanseatic League (qv.)
from Johnny Barrs: DQ scored 1+0=1

11. a device used to plait or braid a horse's mane.
from Mike Shefler: voted 1 & 9 scored 3+0=3

12. to coat metal with oxides to protect from corrosion
from Judy Madnick: voted 7 & 9 scored 0+0=0

13. [Obs.] to possess a distinctive or memorable quality.
from Chuck Emery: voted 8 & 19 scored 1+0=1

14. A two-horse harness for pulling sleighs, buggies, etc.
from Steve Graham: voted 11 & 15 scored 3+0=3

15. Part of a suit of armor covering the elbow and forearm.
from Efrem Mallach: n.v. scored 1+0=1

16. [architecture] the curvature of the underlying structure
from Keith Hale: voted 8 & 20 scored 0+0=0

17. a tall, often highly decorated, glazed earthenware chimney pot.
from Glen Boswell: voted 2 & 5 scored 0+2=2

18. a short javelin designed to be thrown with a hinged launcher,
rather than by hand.
from Tim Bourne: voted 6 & 19 scored 1+0=1

19. An escutcheon or armorial shield granted in recognition of some
distinguished achievement
from Millie Morgan: voted 4 & 10 scored 5+0=5!!

20. a ring or cleat attached to the interior structure of an aircraft
and used as a strong point for securing cargo.
from Tim Lodge: voted 5 & 9 scored 1+2=3

21. [No def]
from Scott Crom: voted 3 & 8 scored 0+0=0

22. [No def]
from Matthew Grieco: voted 7 & 19 scored 0+0=0

Jim Hart
December 13th, 2012, 01:15 AM
Aaaaaaaaaaaaargh. This only gets worse. Now I find that my last attempt
included a vote from Glen that was actually for the previous round. So
ignore version 3. The previous version (aka Hance results -revised<https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#%21topic/Dixonary/GdMN88Cw354>)
now stands.

I think I should sit this game out for a month or so. Maybe Santa will
bring me some marbles.

Jim



On Thursday, December 13, 2012 9:18:48 AM UTC+11, Jim Hart wrote:
>
> As you will have noticed from the earlier posting, I jumped the gun by
> some 7 hours in closing this round. It's too late to undo that but I can
> however include Glen's vote which I found languishing in the unread
> postings and which picked the real def. So now this is version 3 of the
> results in which Glen gets an extra 2 and I move sadly to a D2. I hope
> this is the last amendment.
>
>
> 1. unimaginative or dull.
> from Guerri Stevens: voted 8 & 14 scored 1+0=1
>
> 2. to expand or improve upon
> from Dick Weltz: voted 8 & 11 scored 1+0=1
>
> 3. A tendency or propensity.
> from Chris Carson: voted 5 & 7 scored 1+2=3
>
> 4. To draw in; to swallow. [Obs.]
> from Dan Widdis: voted 6 & 18 scored 1+0=1
>
> 5. the lintel of a door or window
> from Shorter Oxford: n.v. D3
>
> 6. [obs] to build up or make larger.
> from Tony Abell: n.v. scored 2+0=2
>
> 7. to prove or demonstrate _archaic_
> from Dave Cunningham: voted 13 & 19 scored 3+0=3
>
> 8. a generous or merciful act; a favor
> from Dodi Schultz: voted 14 & 19 scored 5+0=5!!
>
> 9. avoid; ignore; to shirk a task or duty.
> from Steve Dixon: voted 11 & 14 scored 3+0=3
>
> 10. [obs] a knight of the Hanseatic League (qv.)
> from Johnny Barrs: DQ scored 1+0=1
>
> 11. a device used to plait or braid a horse's mane.
> from Mike Shefler: voted 1 & 9 scored 3+0=3
>
> 12. to coat metal with oxides to protect from corrosion
> from Judy Madnick: voted 7 & 9 scored 0+0=0
>
> 13. [Obs.] to possess a distinctive or memorable quality.
> from Chuck Emery: voted 8 & 19 scored 1+0=1
>
> 14. A two-horse harness for pulling sleighs, buggies, etc.
> from Steve Graham: voted 11 & 15 scored 3+0=3
>
> 15. Part of a suit of armor covering the elbow and forearm.
> from Efrem Mallach: n.v. scored 1+0=1
>
> 16. [architecture] the curvature of the underlying structure
> from Keith Hale: voted 8 & 20 scored 0+0=0
>
> 17. a tall, often highly decorated, glazed earthenware chimney pot.
> from Glen Boswell: voted 2 & 5 scored 0+2=2
>
> 18. a short javelin designed to be thrown with a hinged launcher,
> rather than by hand.
> from Tim Bourne: voted 6 & 19 scored 1+0=1
>
> 19. An escutcheon or armorial shield granted in recognition of some
> distinguished achievement
> from Millie Morgan: voted 4 & 10 scored 5+0=5!!
>
> 20. a ring or cleat attached to the interior structure of an aircraft
> and used as a strong point for securing cargo.
> from Tim Lodge: voted 5 & 9 scored 1+2=3
>
> 21. [No def]
> from Scott Crom: voted 3 & 8 scored 0+0=0
>
> 22. [No def]
> from Matthew Grieco: voted 7 & 19 scored 0+0=0
>
>
>

Daniel Widdis
December 14th, 2012, 12:28 AM
But then how would the rest of us be entertained? :)

If every dealer who made silly mistakes were to sit the game out, this list
would be quiet indeed.

From: Jim Hart
I think I should sit this game out for a month or so. Maybe Santa will bring
me some marbles.

>

—Keith Hale—
December 14th, 2012, 08:14 AM
> If every dealer who made silly mistakes were to sit the game out, this
list would be quiet indeed.

I second that emotion!

> Maybe Santa will bring me some marbles.

NOW you've done it! Now i want to play - and research marbles. (As a
very-occasional glass blower, i have made about 5 marbles, one of which -
the first one - was actually rather good.) Wikipedia includes the
following:

*United Kingdom*
Popular in the early 1970s was a marble game called grids. Similar to rolly
or rolley hole, the object was to be the first to land one's marble into a
hole. However, a makeshift board was created using manhole grids. Each
player would start at either end and attempt to thumb-flick their marble
between the raised sections of the grid towards the removal hook holes. A
player was not permitted to jump his marble over the raised sections, but
only travel down the grid lines. Each player took turns until one reached
the hole. In a "keepsy" game the winner would get to keep the other
player's marble.

Anyone know where a Texas-dwelling bloke could acquire such a
grid\man-hole? I suppose i might be able to make one, if i could find a
few good photos. If you find any, please send them to my email directly,
so as not to clog the list overmuch. Ta.

> From: Jim Hart
> I think I should sit this game out for a month or so.

This emotion does not carry. Overruled. Denied. This whole court is out
of order! Short Recess, then back on that horse! No, that one over there
with the stripes. Bingo!

*(Maybe i should sit the rest of this stream-of-weirdness commentary out!)*

Dodi Schultz
December 14th, 2012, 08:24 AM
On 12/14/2012 9:14 AM, Keith Hale wrote:


> *United Kingdom*
> Popular in the early 1970s was a marble game called grids. Similar to
> rolly or rolley hole, the object was to be the first to land one's marble
> into a hole. However, a makeshift board was created using manhole grids.
> Each player would start at either end and attempt to thumb-flick their
> marble between the raised sections of the grid towards the removal hook
> holes. A player was not permitted to jump his marble over the raised
> sections, but only travel down the grid lines. Each player took turns
> until one reached the hole. In a "keepsy" game the winner would get to
> keep the other player's marble.
>
> Anyone know where a Texas-dwelling bloke could acquire such a
> grid\man-hole? I suppose i might be able to make one, if i could find a
> few good photos. If you find any, please send them to my email directly,
> so as not to clog the list overmuch.

Try Google: "image grid board"

thejazzmonger
December 14th, 2012, 08:32 AM
Jim,

You will never get a goof named after you if you don't repeat it, a LOT.
Now, show some determination.


On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 2:15 AM, Jim Hart <jfshart (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

> Aaaaaaaaaaaaargh. This only gets worse. Now I find that my last attempt
> included a vote from Glen that was actually for the previous round. So
> ignore version 3. The previous version (aka Hance results -revised<https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#%21topic/Dixonary/GdMN88Cw354>)
> now stands.
>
> I think I should sit this game out for a month or so. Maybe Santa will
> bring me some marbles.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> On Thursday, December 13, 2012 9:18:48 AM UTC+11, Jim Hart wrote:
>>
>> As you will have noticed from the earlier posting, I jumped the gun by
>> some 7 hours in closing this round. It's too late to undo that but I can
>> however include Glen's vote which I found languishing in the unread
>> postings and which picked the real def. So now this is version 3 of the
>> results in which Glen gets an extra 2 and I move sadly to a D2. I hope
>> this is the last amendment.
>>
>>
>> 1. unimaginative or dull.
>> from Guerri Stevens: voted 8 & 14 scored 1+0=1
>>
>> 2. to expand or improve upon
>> from Dick Weltz: voted 8 & 11 scored 1+0=1
>>
>> 3. A tendency or propensity.
>> from Chris Carson: voted 5 & 7 scored 1+2=3
>>
>> 4. To draw in; to swallow. [Obs.]
>> from Dan Widdis: voted 6 & 18 scored 1+0=1
>>
>> 5. the lintel of a door or window
>> from Shorter Oxford: n.v. D3
>>
>> 6. [obs] to build up or make larger.
>> from Tony Abell: n.v. scored 2+0=2
>>
>> 7. to prove or demonstrate _archaic_
>> from Dave Cunningham: voted 13 & 19 scored 3+0=3
>>
>> 8. a generous or merciful act; a favor
>> from Dodi Schultz: voted 14 & 19 scored 5+0=5!!
>>
>> 9. avoid; ignore; to shirk a task or duty.
>> from Steve Dixon: voted 11 & 14 scored 3+0=3
>>
>> 10. [obs] a knight of the Hanseatic League (qv.)
>> from Johnny Barrs: DQ scored 1+0=1
>>
>> 11. a device used to plait or braid a horse's mane.
>> from Mike Shefler: voted 1 & 9 scored 3+0=3
>>
>> 12. to coat metal with oxides to protect from corrosion
>> from Judy Madnick: voted 7 & 9 scored 0+0=0
>>
>> 13. [Obs.] to possess a distinctive or memorable quality.
>> from Chuck Emery: voted 8 & 19 scored 1+0=1
>>
>> 14. A two-horse harness for pulling sleighs, buggies, etc.
>> from Steve Graham: voted 11 & 15 scored 3+0=3
>>
>> 15. Part of a suit of armor covering the elbow and forearm.
>> from Efrem Mallach: n.v. scored 1+0=1
>>
>> 16. [architecture] the curvature of the underlying structure
>> from Keith Hale: voted 8 & 20 scored 0+0=0
>>
>> 17. a tall, often highly decorated, glazed earthenware chimney pot.
>> from Glen Boswell: voted 2 & 5 scored 0+2=2
>>
>> 18. a short javelin designed to be thrown with a hinged launcher,
>> rather than by hand.
>> from Tim Bourne: voted 6 & 19 scored 1+0=1
>>
>> 19. An escutcheon or armorial shield granted in recognition of some
>> distinguished achievement
>> from Millie Morgan: voted 4 & 10 scored 5+0=5!!
>>
>> 20. a ring or cleat attached to the interior structure of an aircraft
>> and used as a strong point for securing cargo.
>> from Tim Lodge: voted 5 & 9 scored 1+2=3
>>
>> 21. [No def]
>> from Scott Crom: voted 3 & 8 scored 0+0=0
>>
>> 22. [No def]
>> from Matthew Grieco: voted 7 & 19 scored 0+0=0
>>
>>
>>


--
steve "thejazzmonger" dixon

John Barrs
December 14th, 2012, 11:22 AM
re Wiki article on marbles -- move the date at least back to early 50's
that's when I was playing at school and it was well established then. (in
the appropriate season of the year of course)

One could play one-sies or two-sies etc with any number of players. The
game was started by each competitor launching all their marbles for this
game in one handful towards the manhole cover from about 10 feet away. The
nearest to hole (which could be preselected as "nearsies" or "farsies" of
the two hand-hold holes) person then started the attempts to get the
marbles into the appropriate hole - no draggsies allowed either - holing a
marble gave you another go for in our games the winner was the person who
got the last marble in - I can remember games with so many marbles that
the hole was overflowing, in fact then the winner was the person who
managed to get all the marbles in - piled up! Games had to be finished in
the break session in which they were started which led to a few punishments
for tardiness. I no longer remember the rules for "allys" which were
supersized marbles; maybe there was negotiation about how many smallsi-es
equalled a particular ally. Certain marbles were worth more - especially
the ones that used to be in bottle-necks acting as a sort of valve which
you had to push back with your tongue when drinking from the bottle and my
memory says single-colour ones were also special - I remember the "5 of
yours equals 3 of mine" sort of discussion among kids who couldn't add up 1
+ 1 in class

I wasn't very good at it and I was banned after I lost my front teeth when
two fighting boys fell on me while I was watching a game and smashed my two
front teeth into the manhole cover. I was banned by my peers becasue I had
messed up a game and covered the manhole with that red-stuff that is so
frequent an indication of horrible little boys at play.

Other games in their seasons included the inevitable conkers and collecting
cigarette (and tea) cards but playing a game with spares where you flicked
the cards (at least 12 feet and often with a wall at 20 feet which you
could bounce back off) and collected any cards which your card at least
partially covered. If you failed to reach twelve feet then the acknowledged
skilled guy (the one who went last! therefore usually the bully too)
picked them up and flicked them instead - he could collect anything these
landed on but left your card where it fell. Flicking was by holding the
card between first and second finger with the bulk of the card poking out
the back of your hand and then giving a quick wrist flip to set it off
spinning.

Ah, memories! - I am not one who remembers my early school days with much
pleasure at all but a walk down memory lane has unexpected enjoyment

JohnnyB


On 14 December 2012 14:14, —Keith Hale— <thoughtstorms (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

> > If every dealer who made silly mistakes were to sit the game out, this
> list would be quiet indeed.
>
> I second that emotion!
>
>
> > Maybe Santa will bring me some marbles.
>
> NOW you've done it! Now i want to play - and research marbles. (As a
> very-occasional glass blower, i have made about 5 marbles, one of which -
> the first one - was actually rather good.) Wikipedia includes the
> following:
>
> *United Kingdom*
> Popular in the early 1970s was a marble game called grids. Similar to
> rolly or rolley hole, the object was to be the first to land one's marble
> into a hole. However, a makeshift board was created using manhole grids.
> Each player would start at either end and attempt to thumb-flick their
> marble between the raised sections of the grid towards the removal hook
> holes. A player was not permitted to jump his marble over the raised
> sections, but only travel down the grid lines. Each player took turns until
> one reached the hole. In a "keepsy" game the winner would get to keep the
> other player's marble.
>
> Anyone know where a Texas-dwelling bloke could acquire such a
> grid\man-hole? I suppose i might be able to make one, if i could find a
> few good photos. If you find any, please send them to my email directly,
> so as not to clog the list overmuch. Ta.
>
>
> > From: Jim Hart
> > I think I should sit this game out for a month or so.
>
> This emotion does not carry. Overruled. Denied. This whole court is out
> of order! Short Recess, then back on that horse! No, that one over there
> with the stripes. Bingo!
>
> *(Maybe i should sit the rest of this stream-of-weirdness commentary out!)
> *
>
>

—Keith Hale—
December 14th, 2012, 12:54 PM
All very interesting, thanks, John! Glad the memory walk was a pleasant
one!

I was maybe born a little late for the marbles craze - i think i only
really played with my siblings, and being the youngest they remembered it
better, played it better, and got tired of it sooner. We called the larger
marbles "shooters" and "boulders". We only played on a flat ground or
sidewalk shooting to send some of the marbles that were already "ante-d" in
(spelling?) --- to send them outside the chalk circle. Those we kept, and
i think maybe we did 'ransom' our precious shooters with the smaller ones.

I'm curious about "draggsies". Maybe that meant the back-spin you could
get by pushing the side of the marble closest to you down until it shot
away, hit other marbles with force and often spun\bounced back to you...
-Keith-

John Barrs
December 14th, 2012, 02:42 PM
draggsies was cheating = one was meant to hit the marble cleanly with the
edge of the finger.... dragging it was not allowed.

The game you remember: I think it is very ancient, my father (who was born
1897) described that game and I suspect it was what Stalky and Co were
playing at school in the eponymous book by Kipling back in the 1870's

The manholes we played on were of two kinds... oblong with recessed pick-up
handles at both ends which gave us our holes. The surface had lines of
shapes to make them not smooth (and therefore not slippery) and drainage
holes so that they didn't fill with water to the height of the shapes. the
shapes were usually round hemispheres but could be flat-topped diamonds.
the distance between rows was two to three marbles diameter and about the
same within rows. I have flat topped diamonds on the manholes here around
this house but they are so old that rust underneath means that they are in
danger of collapsing under a heavy weight - and of course, they are
imperial and everything nowadays is metric so its not just a replacement
but a building job resetting the top -- maybe they'll last another few
years and the next owner can mend them

JohnnyB

On 14 December 2012 18:54, —Keith Hale— <thoughtstorms (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

> All very interesting, thanks, John! Glad the memory walk was a pleasant
> one!
>
> I was maybe born a little late for the marbles craze - i think i only
> really played with my siblings, and being the youngest they remembered it
> better, played it better, and got tired of it sooner. We called the larger
> marbles "shooters" and "boulders". We only played on a flat ground or
> sidewalk shooting to send some of the marbles that were already "ante-d" in
> (spelling?) --- to send them outside the chalk circle. Those we kept, and
> i think maybe we did 'ransom' our precious shooters with the smaller ones..
>
> I'm curious about "draggsies". Maybe that meant the back-spin you could
> get by pushing the side of the marble closest to you down until it shot
> away, hit other marbles with force and often spun\bounced back to you...
> -Keith-
>
>

Jim Hart
December 15th, 2012, 09:15 PM
Thanks Dan. Of course it's important that you be entertained and I wasn't
really planning to sulk for an entire month. I'm sitting out while I'm a
bit offline this weekend; back before long and hope to regain my prowess
for scoring enough to maintain my average but not enough to deal.

On Friday, December 14, 2012 5:28:07 PM UTC+11, Dan Widdis wrote:
>
> But then how would the rest of us be entertained? :)
>
> If every dealer who made silly mistakes were to sit the game out, this
> list would be quiet indeed.
>
> From: Jim Hart
> I think I should sit this game out for a month or so. Maybe Santa will
> bring me some marbles.
>
>
>>