[Dixonary] Round 2331 - WENGE - RESULTS

[EnDash@aol.com]

Quite an interesting round, with 17 submitted defs, plus one from the
dictionary -- but there were six more voters than submitters. Johnny Barrs was,
as so often, DQ, spoiling the D0 we were headed for; but he did also
unearth a different but valid definition taken from a 17th Century dictionary
edition citing its use by Shakespeare in Henry V.

In any event, although both Mike Shefler and Efrem Mallach each scored 7
points, all of Mike's came from votes for his fake definition, which, I
suppose, is why the Dixomat software anoints him as winner and next dealer.

So the next deal is for Mike Shefler with 7 natural points -- take it
away, Mike.

1: meat that has been rendered inedible by overcooking
Voted for by: Dan Widdis, Millie Morgan, Keith Hale
FROM Guerri Stevens who voted 8 and 18, and scores 3 + 0 = 3

2: [Ger.] a fork in a road, a turning-point, (rare) a railroad turnout.
(Eisenbahnwenge)
Voted for by: Steve Dixon, Keith Hale
FROM Dave Cunningham who voted 8 and 9, and scores 2 + 0 = 2

3: [obs] a wooden serving tray
Voted for by: Bill Bensburg
FROM Matthew Grieco who voted 9 and 14, and scores 1 + 0 = 1

4: a large, straight tree _Millettia Laurentii_ of Central and West
Africa valued for its hard dark wood, used in furniture and flooring
Voted for by: Efrem Mallach
FROM Harper collins which can't vote, and scores D1

5: tool for punching or stamping
Voted for by: Hugo Kornelis, Tim Bourne, Bill Bensburg
FROM Judy Madnick who voted 13 and 14, and scores 3 + 0 = 3

6: _Obs._ to rove in search of firewood
Voted for by: Mike Shefler, Chris Carson, Scott Croms
FROM Tim Lodge who voted 7 and 13, and scores 3 + 0 = 3

7: [arch.] v and n; to avenge oneself, to take revenge for oneself;
vengeaunce and revenge; always reflexive [ _tell you the Dolfin we are
coming on to wenge us as we may_ Shakespeare, Henry V (1:2) 1600]
Voted for by: Tim Lodge
FROM Johnny Barrs who DQ'ed, and scores 1 + 0 = 1

8: a lever or crank used to cock a crossbow
Voted for by: Guerri Stevens, Dave Cunningham, Chuck Emery, Hugo Kornelis,
Tony Abell, Gary Mason, Frances Wetzstein
FROM Mike Shefler who voted 6 and 10, and scores 7 + 0 = 7

9: _Archaic_ To punish with blows; thrash; beat
Voted for by: Dave Cunningham, Matthew Grieco, Dodi Schultz
FROM Chris Carson who voted 6 and 17, and scores 3 + 0 = 3

10: the fodder preserved in a silo
Voted for by: Mike Shefler
FROM Dan Widdis who voted 1 and 15, and scores 1 + 0 = 1

11: the part of the sole of a shoe or boot which is covered by the
attached heel
Voted for by: Efrem Mallach, Gary Mason, Jim Hart
FROM Chuck Emery who voted 8 and 13, and scores 3 + 0 = 3

12: a barley-based pudding
Voted for by: Jim Hart
FROM Steve Dixon who voted 2 and 19, and scores 1 + 0 = 1

13: a woodworking tool similar to a plane, used for shaping carriage
wheels
Voted for by: Judy Madnick, Tim Lodge, Chuck Emery, Frances Wetzstein, Tim
Bourne
FROM Efrem Mallach who voted *4* and 11, and scores 5 + 2 = 7*

14: a thumb-screw
Voted for by: Matthew Grieco, Judy Madnick, Tony Abell
FROM Hugo Kornelis who voted 5 and 8, and scores 3 + 0 = 3

15: to complain peevishly about megaliths
Voted for by: Dan Widdis
FROM Paul Keating who didn't vote, and scores 1 + 0 = 1

16: [Scots] large and imposing
Voted for by: Millie Morgan
FROM Tony Abell who voted 8 and 14, and scores 1 + 0 = 1

17: the stench or high flavor of game or other meat when kept long
Voted for by: Chris Carson, Dodi Schultz
FROM Millie Morgan who voted 1 and 16, and scores 2 + 0 = 2

18: to shirk; to avoid (a charge or task)
Voted for by: Guerri Stevens, Scott Croms
FROM Dodi Schultz who voted 9 and 17, and scores 2 + 0 = 2

19: money paid in ransom for a prisoner of war
Voted for by: Steve Dixon
FROM Gary Mason who voted 8 and 11, and scores 1 + 0 = 1

No def
FROM Frances Wetzstein who voted 8 and 13, and scores 0 + 0 = 0

No def
FROM Tim Bourne who voted 5 and 13, and scores 0 + 0 = 0

No def
FROM Keith Hale who voted 1 and 2, and scores 0 + 0 = 0

No def
FROM Jim Hart who voted 11 and 12, and scores 0 + 0 = 0

No def
FROM Bill Bensburg who voted 3 and 5, and scores 0 + 0 = 0

No def
FROM Scott Croms who voted 6 and 18, and scores 0 + 0 = 0

Respectfully submitted,

Dick Weltz

[thejazzmonger]

Nice round, everybody! Points all over the place, which shows you it was a
tricky word and there were some good submissions.

On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:59 AM, <EnDash (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote:

> **
> Quite an interesting round, with 17 submitted defs, plus one from the
> dictionary -- but there were six more voters than submitters. Johnny Barrs
> was, as so often, DQ, spoiling the D0 we were headed for; but he did also
> unearth a different but valid definition taken from a 17th Century
> dictionary edition citing its use by Shakespeare in Henry V.
>
> In any event, although both Mike Shefler and Efrem Mallach each scored 7
> points, all of Mike's came from votes for his fake definition, which, I
> suppose, is why the Dixomat software anoints him as winner and next dealer.
>
> So the next deal is for Mike Shefler with 7 natural points -- take it
> away, Mike.
>
> 1: meat that has been rendered inedible by overcooking
> Voted for by: Dan Widdis, Millie Morgan, Keith Hale
> FROM Guerri Stevens who voted 8 and 18, and scores 3 + 0 = 3
>
> 2: [Ger.] a fork in a road, a turning-point, (rare) a railroad
> turnout. (Eisenbahnwenge)
> Voted for by: Steve Dixon, Keith Hale
> FROM Dave Cunningham who voted 8 and 9, and scores 2 + 0 = 2
>
> 3: [obs] a wooden serving tray
> Voted for by: Bill Bensburg
> FROM Matthew Grieco who voted 9 and 14, and scores 1 + 0 = 1
>
> 4: a large, straight tree _Millettia Laurentii_ of Central and West
> Africa valued for its hard dark wood, used in furniture and flooring
> Voted for by: Efrem Mallach
> FROM Harper collins which can't vote, and scores D1
>
> 5: tool for punching or stamping
> Voted for by: Hugo Kornelis, Tim Bourne, Bill Bensburg
> FROM Judy Madnick who voted 13 and 14, and scores 3 + 0 = 3
>
> 6: _Obs._ to rove in search of firewood
> Voted for by: Mike Shefler, Chris Carson, Scott Croms
> FROM Tim Lodge who voted 7 and 13, and scores 3 + 0 = 3
>
> 7: [arch.] v and n; to avenge oneself, to take revenge for oneself;
> vengeaunce and revenge; always reflexive [ _tell you the Dolfin we are
> coming on to wenge us as we may_ Shakespeare, Henry V (1:2) 1600]
> Voted for by: Tim Lodge
> FROM Johnny Barrs who DQ'ed, and scores 1 + 0 = 1
>
> 8: a lever or crank used to cock a crossbow
> Voted for by: Guerri Stevens, Dave Cunningham, Chuck Emery, Hugo
> Kornelis, Tony Abell, Gary Mason, Frances Wetzstein
> FROM Mike Shefler who voted 6 and 10, and scores 7 + 0 = 7
>
> 9: _Archaic_ To punish with blows; thrash; beat
> Voted for by: Dave Cunningham, Matthew Grieco, Dodi Schultz
> FROM Chris Carson who voted 6 and 17, and scores 3 + 0 = 3
>
> 10: the fodder preserved in a silo
> Voted for by: Mike Shefler
> FROM Dan Widdis who voted 1 and 15, and scores 1 + 0 = 1
>
> 11: the part of the sole of a shoe or boot which is covered by the
> attached heel
> Voted for by: Efrem Mallach, Gary Mason, Jim Hart
> FROM Chuck Emery who voted 8 and 13, and scores 3 + 0 = 3
>
> 12: a barley-based pudding
> Voted for by: Jim Hart
> FROM Steve Dixon who voted 2 and 19, and scores 1 + 0 = 1
>
> 13: a woodworking tool similar to a plane, used for shaping carriage
> wheels
> Voted for by: Judy Madnick, Tim Lodge, Chuck Emery, Frances Wetzstein,
> Tim Bourne
> FROM Efrem Mallach who voted *4* and 11, and scores 5 + 2 = 7*
>
> 14: a thumb-screw
> Voted for by: Matthew Grieco, Judy Madnick, Tony Abell
> FROM Hugo Kornelis who voted 5 and 8, and scores 3 + 0 = 3
>
> 15: to complain peevishly about megaliths
> Voted for by: Dan Widdis
> FROM Paul Keating who didn't vote, and scores 1 + 0 = 1
>
> 16: [Scots] large and imposing
> Voted for by: Millie Morgan
> FROM Tony Abell who voted 8 and 14, and scores 1 + 0 = 1
>
> 17: the stench or high flavor of game or other meat when kept long
> Voted for by: Chris Carson, Dodi Schultz
> FROM Millie Morgan who voted 1 and 16, and scores 2 + 0 = 2
>
> 18: to shirk; to avoid (a charge or task)
> Voted for by: Guerri Stevens, Scott Croms
> FROM Dodi Schultz who voted 9 and 17, and scores 2 + 0 = 2
>
> 19: money paid in ransom for a prisoner of war
> Voted for by: Steve Dixon
> FROM Gary Mason who voted 8 and 11, and scores 1 + 0 = 1
>
> No def
> FROM Frances Wetzstein who voted 8 and 13, and scores 0 + 0 = 0
>
> No def
> FROM Tim Bourne who voted 5 and 13, and scores 0 + 0 = 0
>
> No def
> FROM Keith Hale who voted 1 and 2, and scores 0 + 0 = 0
>
> No def
> FROM Jim Hart who voted 11 and 12, and scores 0 + 0 = 0
>
> No def
> FROM Bill Bensburg who voted 3 and 5, and scores 0 + 0 = 0
>
> No def
> FROM Scott Croms who voted 6 and 18, and scores 0 + 0 = 0
>
> Respectfully submitted,
>
> Dick Weltz
>



--
steve "thejazzmonger" dixon

[John Barrs]

Actually my Shakespeare Def was for venge and was a hack on the OED for
that word - I took the risk that wenge did not come from venge, looed up
venge and liked the resultant created archaism

JohnnyB

On 27 August 2012 15:59, <EnDash (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote:

> **
> Quite an interesting round, with 17 submitted defs, plus one from the
> dictionary -- but there were six more voters than submitters. Johnny Barrs
> was, as so often, DQ, spoiling the D0 we were headed for; but he did also
> unearth a different but valid definition taken from a 17th Century
> dictionary edition citing its use by Shakespeare in Henry V.
>
> In any event, although both Mike Shefler and Efrem Mallach each scored 7
> points, all of Mike's came from votes for his fake definition, which, I
> suppose, is why the Dixomat software anoints him as winner and next dealer.
>
> So the next deal is for Mike Shefler with 7 natural points -- take it
> away, Mike.
>
> 1: meat that has been rendered inedible by overcooking
> Voted for by: Dan Widdis, Millie Morgan, Keith Hale
> FROM Guerri Stevens who voted 8 and 18, and scores 3 + 0 = 3
>
> 2: [Ger.] a fork in a road, a turning-point, (rare) a railroad
> turnout. (Eisenbahnwenge)
> Voted for by: Steve Dixon, Keith Hale
> FROM Dave Cunningham who voted 8 and 9, and scores 2 + 0 = 2
>
> 3: [obs] a wooden serving tray
> Voted for by: Bill Bensburg
> FROM Matthew Grieco who voted 9 and 14, and scores 1 + 0 = 1
>
> 4: a large, straight tree _Millettia Laurentii_ of Central and West
> Africa valued for its hard dark wood, used in furniture and flooring
> Voted for by: Efrem Mallach
> FROM Harper collins which can't vote, and scores D1
>
> 5: tool for punching or stamping
> Voted for by: Hugo Kornelis, Tim Bourne, Bill Bensburg
> FROM Judy Madnick who voted 13 and 14, and scores 3 + 0 = 3
>
> 6: _Obs._ to rove in search of firewood
> Voted for by: Mike Shefler, Chris Carson, Scott Croms
> FROM Tim Lodge who voted 7 and 13, and scores 3 + 0 = 3
>
> 7: [arch.] v and n; to avenge oneself, to take revenge for oneself;
> vengeaunce and revenge; always reflexive [ _tell you the Dolfin we are
> coming on to wenge us as we may_ Shakespeare, Henry V (1:2) 1600]
> Voted for by: Tim Lodge
> FROM Johnny Barrs who DQ'ed, and scores 1 + 0 = 1
>
> 8: a lever or crank used to cock a crossbow
> Voted for by: Guerri Stevens, Dave Cunningham, Chuck Emery, Hugo
> Kornelis, Tony Abell, Gary Mason, Frances Wetzstein
> FROM Mike Shefler who voted 6 and 10, and scores 7 + 0 = 7
>
> 9: _Archaic_ To punish with blows; thrash; beat
> Voted for by: Dave Cunningham, Matthew Grieco, Dodi Schultz
> FROM Chris Carson who voted 6 and 17, and scores 3 + 0 = 3
>
> 10: the fodder preserved in a silo
> Voted for by: Mike Shefler
> FROM Dan Widdis who voted 1 and 15, and scores 1 + 0 = 1
>
> 11: the part of the sole of a shoe or boot which is covered by the
> attached heel
> Voted for by: Efrem Mallach, Gary Mason, Jim Hart
> FROM Chuck Emery who voted 8 and 13, and scores 3 + 0 = 3
>
> 12: a barley-based pudding
> Voted for by: Jim Hart
> FROM Steve Dixon who voted 2 and 19, and scores 1 + 0 = 1
>
> 13: a woodworking tool similar to a plane, used for shaping carriage
> wheels
> Voted for by: Judy Madnick, Tim Lodge, Chuck Emery, Frances Wetzstein,
> Tim Bourne
> FROM Efrem Mallach who voted *4* and 11, and scores 5 + 2 = 7*
>
> 14: a thumb-screw
> Voted for by: Matthew Grieco, Judy Madnick, Tony Abell
> FROM Hugo Kornelis who voted 5 and 8, and scores 3 + 0 = 3
>
> 15: to complain peevishly about megaliths
> Voted for by: Dan Widdis
> FROM Paul Keating who didn't vote, and scores 1 + 0 = 1
>
> 16: [Scots] large and imposing
> Voted for by: Millie Morgan
> FROM Tony Abell who voted 8 and 14, and scores 1 + 0 = 1
>
> 17: the stench or high flavor of game or other meat when kept long
> Voted for by: Chris Carson, Dodi Schultz
> FROM Millie Morgan who voted 1 and 16, and scores 2 + 0 = 2
>
> 18: to shirk; to avoid (a charge or task)
> Voted for by: Guerri Stevens, Scott Croms
> FROM Dodi Schultz who voted 9 and 17, and scores 2 + 0 = 2
>
> 19: money paid in ransom for a prisoner of war
> Voted for by: Steve Dixon
> FROM Gary Mason who voted 8 and 11, and scores 1 + 0 = 1
>
> No def
> FROM Frances Wetzstein who voted 8 and 13, and scores 0 + 0 = 0
>
> No def
> FROM Tim Bourne who voted 5 and 13, and scores 0 + 0 = 0
>
> No def
> FROM Keith Hale who voted 1 and 2, and scores 0 + 0 = 0
>
> No def
> FROM Jim Hart who voted 11 and 12, and scores 0 + 0 = 0
>
> No def
> FROM Bill Bensburg who voted 3 and 5, and scores 0 + 0 = 0
>
> No def
> FROM Scott Croms who voted 6 and 18, and scores 0 + 0 = 0
>
> Respectfully submitted,
>
> Dick Weltz
>

[Tony Abell]

Scott Crom voted for 16 and 18, not 6 and 18. And there's no S in his surname.

> FROM Scott Croms who voted 6 and 18, and scores 0 + 0 = 0

[Guerri Stevens]

Word 15 was actually an NAD, although for some of us the "NAD" was very
faint.

Guerri

EnDash (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:
> ...
>
> 15: to complain peevishly about megaliths
> Voted for by: Dan Widdis
> FROM Paul Keating who didn't vote, and scores 1 + 0 = 1

[EnDash@aol.com]

Didn't show up on my screen.


In a message dated 8/28/2012 6:51:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
guerri (AT) guerristevens (DOT) com writes:

Word 15 was actually an NAD, although for some of us the "NAD" was very
faint.

Guerri

EnDash (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:
> ...
>
> 15: to complain peevishly about megaliths
> Voted for by: Dan Widdis
> FROM Paul Keating who didn't vote, and scores 1 + 0 = 1

[Dodi Schultz]

On 8/28/2012 9:49 AM, EnDash (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:
> Didn't show up on my screen.
> In a message dated 8/28/2012 6:51:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> guerri (AT) guerristevens (DOT) com writes:
>
> Word 15 was actually an NAD, although for some of us the "NAD" was very
> faint.
>

But it came to you from googlegroups—and you acknowledged it publicly, as well!

[thejazzmonger]

I think he means that the little tiny "nad" didn't show up. Obviously the
def did, since it was in the list.

On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Dodi Schultz <DodiSchultz (AT) verizon (DOT) net>wrote:

> On 8/28/2012 9:49 AM, EnDash (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:
>
>> Didn't show up on my screen.
>> In a message dated 8/28/2012 6:51:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> guerri (AT) guerristevens (DOT) com writes:
>>
>> Word 15 was actually an NAD, although for some of us the "NAD" was
>> very
>> faint.
>>
>>
> But it came to you from googlegroups—and you acknowledged it publicly, as
> well!
>



--
steve "thejazzmonger" dixon

[Dodi Schultz]

On 8/28/2012 10:25 AM, thejazzmonger wrote:
> I think he means that the little tiny "nad" didn't show up. Obviously the
> def did, since it was in the list.
Yabbut, since he sent the acknowledgment to the group (whence the def; not
from Paul personally), at the time I thought he was, um, playing along.


> On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Dodi Schultz <DodiSchultz (AT) verizon (DOT) net
> <mailto:DodiSchultz (AT) verizon (DOT) net>> wrote:
>
> On 8/28/2012 9:49 AM, EnDash (AT) aol (DOT) com <mailto:EnDash (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote:
>
> Didn't show up on my screen.
> In a message dated 8/28/2012 6:51:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> guerri (AT) guerristevens (DOT) com <mailto:guerri (AT) guerristevens (DOT) com> writes:
>
> Word 15 was actually an NAD, although for some of us the "NAD"
> was very
> faint.
>
>
> But it came to you from googlegroups—and you acknowledged it
> publicly, as well!
>
>
>
>
> --
> steve "thejazzmonger" dixon
>
>
>

[Hugo Kornelis]

I think he just hit "Reply", assuming it would go to the sender of the
def. For real defs, that is the case. For public defs and NADs, a reply
will go to the gorup as well.


Op 28-8-2012 16:40, Dodi Schultz schreef:
> On 8/28/2012 10:25 AM, thejazzmonger wrote:
>> I think he means that the little tiny "nad" didn't show up. Obviously
>> the def did, since it was in the list.
> Yabbut, since he sent the acknowledgment to the group (whence the def;
> not from Paul personally), at the time I thought he was, um, playing
> along.
>
>
>> On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Dodi Schultz
>> <DodiSchultz (AT) verizon (DOT) net <mailto:DodiSchultz (AT) verizon (DOT) net>> wrote:
>>
>> On 8/28/2012 9:49 AM, EnDash (AT) aol (DOT) com <mailto:EnDash (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote:
>>
>> Didn't show up on my screen.
>> In a message dated 8/28/2012 6:51:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> guerri (AT) guerristevens (DOT) com <mailto:guerri (AT) guerristevens (DOT) com>
>> writes:
>>
>> Word 15 was actually an NAD, although for some of us the "NAD"
>> was very
>> faint.
>>
>>
>> But it came to you from googlegroups—and you acknowledged it
>> publicly, as well!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> steve "thejazzmonger" dixon
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

[EnDash@aol.com]

Enough, already. It's complicated enough dealing as it is. When I see a
group of messages with the Round Number and word in the subject line, my main
concern is to copy the submitted def into a master file (and, often, hunt
up who the sender is, as some are hardly clear).

I didn't notice that this one had been sent to the group, especially as it
was a sensible-sounding definition (I guess I didn't get the joke or pun --
still don't). The "nad" -- I've gone back and checked -- is in light gray
teeny type, not visible unless you're looking for it, and even then, almost
impossible to read, even on my hi-res screen. And, to top it off, the
player never subsequently sent in a real submission, which would have alerted
me immediately.

So, are we playing Dixonary here, or prank-the-dealer?

-- Dick




In a message dated 8/28/2012 10:39:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
DodiSchultz (AT) verizon (DOT) net writes:

On 8/28/2012 10:25 AM, thejazzmonger wrote:
> I think he means that the little tiny "nad" didn't show up. Obviously
the
> def did, since it was in the list.
Yabbut, since he sent the acknowledgment to the group (whence the def; not
from Paul personally), at the time I thought he was, um, playing along.


> On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Dodi Schultz <DodiSchultz (AT) verizon (DOT) net
> <mailto:DodiSchultz (AT) verizon (DOT) net>> wrote:
>
> On 8/28/2012 9:49 AM, EnDash (AT) aol (DOT) com <mailto:EnDash (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote:
>
> Didn't show up on my screen.
> In a message dated 8/28/2012 6:51:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> guerri (AT) guerristevens (DOT) com <mailto:guerri (AT) guerristevens (DOT) com>
writes:
>
> Word 15 was actually an NAD, although for some of us the "NAD"
> was very
> faint.
>
>
> But it came to you from googlegroups—and you acknowledged it
> publicly, as well!
>
>
>
>
> --
> steve "thejazzmonger" dixon
>
>
>

[Guerri Stevens]

You are not the first person to whom this has happened, i.e. a publicly
posted definition ends up in the actual list. I don't know whether, in
the past, anyone has actually voted for such a definition.

I have my Email client (Thunderbird) set up to filter incoming messages
so that Dixonary messages end up in a folder other than the Inbox. So I
would, presumably, notice a publicly posted definition. Of course in the
throes of dealership nothing is certain other that if anything can go
wrong, it will and the dealer is always right!

I was just curious about this because there was an actual vote for it. I
was not trying to pick on the dealer. Sorry if it seemed that way.

Guerri

EnDash (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:
> Enough, already. It's complicated enough dealing as it is. When I see a
> group of messages with the Round Number and word in the subject line, my
> main concern is to copy the submitted def into a master file (and,
> often, hunt up who the sender is, as some are hardly clear).