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Millie Morgan
May 20th, 2012, 08:03 AM
Here are 20 impressive definitions for SEPLASIARY, only one of which is from
a
dictionary.

Please send your votes for two of them by public reply to this message
before the deadline:

11:00am Tue 22nd May Melbourne
6:00pm Mon 21st May PDT
8:00pm Mon 21st May CDT
9:00pm Mon 21st May EDT
2:00am Tue 22nd May BST
3:00am Tue 22nd May CEST


New players are welcome, even if they didn't enter a definition for this
round.
Full rules are at http://rules.dixonary.net


Good luck,
Millie


** SEPLASIARY **


1: a perfumer

2: an apothecary's shop

3: A place where peat can be dug; a peat bog

4: An artificial tendon used in attaching prostheses

5: _Obs._ comfortably situated; wealthy; corpulent

6: of teeth or claws designed for tearing (canine teeth)

7: jewelry made with small stones to resemble butterfly wings

8: a bound collection of plates of standardized colors; cf. ICC

9: liturgical embroidery, esp. as an act of devotion or contrition

10: A reed instrument of music of the cornet kind, now obsolete

11: a collection of inspiring writings linked to the beads of the rosary

12: a junior officer in the Roman army, responsible for a seplatus of seven
men

13: an enclosure designed to house, breed, study and display night-flying
insects

14: The church office which accepts or rejects candidates for the the
Diaconate

15: Having roughly radial symmetry - like most flowers. Symmetrical in
multiple directions

16: a chamber in a mausoleum or tomb for storage of memorabilia relating to
the deceased

17: a person or entity providing capital to be used as initial operating
funds for a new business

18: _obs._ a seven-sided chamber used by the Privy Council during the 11th
and 12th centuries in England

19: a good luck token carried in a leather pouch, usually worn around
around the neck and meant to ward off disease

20: In the Anglican (High Church Episcopal) rite, a group of seven
assistants required when certain Masses are celebrated by a bishop

Judy Madnick
May 20th, 2012, 08:55 AM
I feel as though I could easily vote for...none of them. <sigh> But since that wouldn't be much of a vote, here are my choices:

13 and 16.

Judy Madnick

Frances Wetzstein
May 20th, 2012, 09:01 AM
I'll try the churchy ones:

14: The church office which accepts or rejects candidates for the the
Diaconate

and

20: In the Anglican (High Church Episcopal) rite, a group of seven
assistants required when certain Masses are celebrated by a bishop

John Barrs
May 20th, 2012, 09:24 AM
No ideas at all - so... I'll go for the long and the short of it - first
and last please (that's #1 and #20 for pograms that require numbers)

JohnnyB


> 1: a perfumer
>
>
> 20: In the Anglican (High Church Episcopal) rite, a group of seven
> assistants required when certain Masses are celebrated by a bishop
>

Steve Graham
May 20th, 2012, 09:34 AM
It's Sunday, so I'll go for 14 and 20

14: The church office which accepts or rejects candidates for the Diaconate
20: In the Anglican (High Church Episcopal) rite, a group of seven
assistants required when certain Masses are celebrated by a bishop

Steve Graham

Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too
dark to read. Groucho Marx

EnDash@aol.com
May 20th, 2012, 09:57 AM
I'm going to go for numbers 9 and 19:




9: liturgical embroidery, esp. as an act of devotion or contrition

19: a good luck token carried in a leather pouch, usually worn around
around the neck and meant to ward off disease




-- Dick Weltz

France International/Mike Shefler
May 20th, 2012, 10:24 AM
I'll go for 1 and 2 for lack of a better idea.

Tim Lodge
May 20th, 2012, 10:30 AM
As usual when in doubt, I'll take a short one and a long one:

> *2: an apothecary's shop
>
> 19: a good luck token carried in a leather pouch, usually worn *around
> around the neck and meant to ward off disease

-- Tim L

—Keith Hale—
May 20th, 2012, 10:40 AM
I'll try 18 & 5, please.

Guerri Stevens
May 20th, 2012, 11:25 AM
I vote for 9 and 14.

Guerri

Millie Morgan wrote:
>
> 9: liturgical embroidery, esp. as an act of devotion or contrition
>
> 14: The church office which accepts or rejects candidates for the the
> Diaconate

Tim B
May 20th, 2012, 12:23 PM
I don't believe any of them this time. Let's try 6 and 7, please.

Best wishes,
Tim Bourne.

Dave Cunningham
May 20th, 2012, 03:20 PM
5 and 8 ,,, I think the real def got lost

Dave

On Sunday, May 20, 2012 9:03:16 AM UTC-4, Millie Morgan wrote:

> Here are 20 impressive definitions for SEPLASIARY, only one of which is
> from
> a
> dictionary.
>
> Please send your votes for two of them by public reply to this message
> before the deadline:
>
> 11:00am Tue 22nd May Melbourne
> 6:00pm Mon 21st May PDT
> 8:00pm Mon 21st May CDT
> 9:00pm Mon 21st May EDT
> 2:00am Tue 22nd May BST
> 3:00am Tue 22nd May CEST
>
>
> New players are welcome, even if they didn't enter a definition for this
> round.
> Full rules are at http://rules.dixonary.net
>
>
> Good luck,
> Millie
>
>
> ** SEPLASIARY **
>
>
> 1: a perfumer
>
> 2: an apothecary's shop
>
> 3: A place where peat can be dug; a peat bog
>
> 4: An artificial tendon used in attaching prostheses
>
> 5: _Obs._ comfortably situated; wealthy; corpulent
>
> 6: of teeth or claws designed for tearing (canine teeth)
>
> 7: jewelry made with small stones to resemble butterfly wings
>
> 8: a bound collection of plates of standardized colors; cf. ICC
>
> 9: liturgical embroidery, esp. as an act of devotion or contrition
>
> 10: A reed instrument of music of the cornet kind, now obsolete
>
> 11: a collection of inspiring writings linked to the beads of the rosary
>
> 12: a junior officer in the Roman army, responsible for a seplatus of
> seven
> men
>
> 13: an enclosure designed to house, breed, study and display night-flying
> insects
>
> 14: The church office which accepts or rejects candidates for the the
> Diaconate
>
> 15: Having roughly radial symmetry - like most flowers. Symmetrical in
> multiple directions
>
> 16: a chamber in a mausoleum or tomb for storage of memorabilia relating
> to
> the deceased
>
> 17: a person or entity providing capital to be used as initial operating
> funds for a new business
>
> 18: _obs._ a seven-sided chamber used by the Privy Council during the 11th
> and 12th centuries in England
>
> 19: a good luck token carried in a leather pouch, usually worn around
> around the neck and meant to ward off disease
>
> 20: In the Anglican (High Church Episcopal) rite, a group of seven
> assistants required when certain Masses are celebrated by a bishop
>
>

James Zorbas
May 20th, 2012, 04:27 PM
9 and 16 this time.



-----Original Message-----
From: Millie Morgan <milliemmorgan (AT) gmail (DOT) com>
To: Dixonary (group) <Dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com>
Sent: Sun, May 20, 2012 9:03 am
Subject: [Dixonary] Round 2306 ... it's time to vote


Here are 20 impressive definitions for SEPLASIARY, only one of which is from

ictionary.
Please send your votes for two of them by public reply to this message
efore the deadline:
11:00am Tue 22nd May Melbourne
6:00pm Mon 21st May PDT
8:00pm Mon 21st May CDT
9:00pm Mon 21st May EDT
2:00am Tue 22nd May BST
3:00am Tue 22nd May CEST

ew players are welcome, even if they didn't enter a definition for this
ound.
ull rules are at http://rules.dixonary.net

ood luck,
illie

* SEPLASIARY **

1: a perfumer
2: an apothecary's shop
3: A place where peat can be dug; a peat bog
4: An artificial tendon used in attaching prostheses
5: _Obs._ comfortably situated; wealthy; corpulent
6: of teeth or claws designed for tearing (canine teeth)
7: jewelry made with small stones to resemble butterfly wings
8: a bound collection of plates of standardized colors; cf. ICC
9: liturgical embroidery, esp. as an act of devotion or contrition
10: A reed instrument of music of the cornet kind, now obsolete
11: a collection of inspiring writings linked to the beads of the rosary
12: a junior officer in the Roman army, responsible for a seplatus of seven
en
13: an enclosure designed to house, breed, study and display night-flying
nsects
14: The church office which accepts or rejects candidates for the the
iaconate
15: Having roughly radial symmetry - like most flowers. Symmetrical in
ultiple directions
16: a chamber in a mausoleum or tomb for storage of memorabilia relating to
he deceased
17: a person or entity providing capital to be used as initial operating
unds for a new business
18: _obs._ a seven-sided chamber used by the Privy Council during the 11th
nd 12th centuries in England
19: a good luck token carried in a leather pouch, usually worn around
round the neck and meant to ward off disease
20: In the Anglican (High Church Episcopal) rite, a group of seven
ssistants required when certain Masses are celebrated by a bishop

Bill Bensburg
May 20th, 2012, 09:54 PM
In agreement with the general feelings of the group....

I'll vote for 3 & 4, please.

Thanks!

Bill

scott crom
May 20th, 2012, 09:54 PM
I'll have 9 and 20, please.

Scott



On 5/20/2012 8:03 AM, Millie Morgan wrote:
> Here are 20 impressive definitions for SEPLASIARY, only one of which
> is from a
> dictionary.
>
> Please send your votes for two of them by public reply to this message
> before the deadline:
>
> 11:00am Tue 22nd May Melbourne
> 6:00pm Mon 21st May PDT
> 8:00pm Mon 21st May CDT
> 9:00pm Mon 21st May EDT
> 2:00am Tue 22nd May BST
> 3:00am Tue 22nd May CEST
>
>
> New players are welcome, even if they didn't enter a definition for this
> round.
> Full rules are at http://rules.dixonary.net
>
>
> Good luck,
> Millie
>
>
> ** SEPLASIARY **
>
>
> 1: a perfumer
>
> 2: an apothecary's shop
>
> 3: A place where peat can be dug; a peat bog
>
> 4: An artificial tendon used in attaching prostheses
>
> 5: _Obs._ comfortably situated; wealthy; corpulent
>
> 6: of teeth or claws designed for tearing (canine teeth)
>
> 7: jewelry made with small stones to resemble butterfly wings
>
> 8: a bound collection of plates of standardized colors; cf. ICC
>
> 9: liturgical embroidery, esp. as an act of devotion or contrition
>
> 10: A reed instrument of music of the cornet kind, now obsolete
>
> 11: a collection of inspiring writings linked to the beads of the rosary
>
> 12: a junior officer in the Roman army, responsible for a seplatus of
> seven men
>
> 13: an enclosure designed to house, breed, study and display
> night-flying insects
>
> 14: The church office which accepts or rejects candidates for the the
> Diaconate
>
> 15: Having roughly radial symmetry - like most flowers. Symmetrical in
> multiple directions
>
> 16: a chamber in a mausoleum or tomb for storage of memorabilia
> relating to the deceased
>
> 17: a person or entity providing capital to be used as initial
> operating funds for a new business
>
> 18: _obs._ a seven-sided chamber used by the Privy Council during the
> 11th and 12th centuries in England
>
> 19: a good luck token carried in a leather pouch, usually worn around
> around the neck and meant to ward off disease
>
> 20: In the Anglican (High Church Episcopal) rite, a group of seven
> assistants required when certain Masses are celebrated by a bishop

Tony Abell
May 20th, 2012, 11:00 PM
I'll try 1 and 16, please:

> 1: a perfumer

> 16: a chamber in a mausoleum or tomb for storage of memorabilia relating to
> the deceased

Dodi Schultz
May 21st, 2012, 07:58 AM
I'll try:

> 1: a perfumer

and

> 16: a chamber in a mausoleum or tomb for storage of memorabilia relating
> to the deceased

—Dodi

thejazzmonger
May 21st, 2012, 08:04 AM
#9 - liturgical embroidery

#16 - mausoleum chamber

steve d

Chris Carson
May 21st, 2012, 08:05 AM
I'll cast my points to the authors of 7 and 9.

Chris

Sent from my iPhone

On May 20, 2012, at 9:03 AM, "Millie Morgan" <milliemmorgan (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

> Here are 20 impressive definitions for SEPLASIARY, only one of which is from a
> dictionary.
>
> Please send your votes for two of them by public reply to this message
> before the deadline:
>
> 11:00am Tue 22nd May Melbourne
> 6:00pm Mon 21st May PDT
> 8:00pm Mon 21st May CDT
> 9:00pm Mon 21st May EDT
> 2:00am Tue 22nd May BST
> 3:00am Tue 22nd May CEST
>
>
> New players are welcome, even if they didn't enter a definition for this
> round.
> Full rules are at http://rules.dixonary.net
>
>
> Good luck,
> Millie
>
>
> ** SEPLASIARY **
>
>
> 1: a perfumer
>
> 2: an apothecary's shop
>
> 3: A place where peat can be dug; a peat bog
>
> 4: An artificial tendon used in attaching prostheses
>
> 5: _Obs._ comfortably situated; wealthy; corpulent
>
> 6: of teeth or claws designed for tearing (canine teeth)
>
> 7: jewelry made with small stones to resemble butterfly wings
>
> 8: a bound collection of plates of standardized colors; cf. ICC
>
> 9: liturgical embroidery, esp. as an act of devotion or contrition
>
> 10: A reed instrument of music of the cornet kind, now obsolete
>
> 11: a collection of inspiring writings linked to the beads of the rosary
>
> 12: a junior officer in the Roman army, responsible for a seplatus of seven men
>
> 13: an enclosure designed to house, breed, study and display night-flying insects
>
> 14: The church office which accepts or rejects candidates for the the Diaconate
>
> 15: Having roughly radial symmetry - like most flowers. Symmetrical in multiple directions
>
> 16: a chamber in a mausoleum or tomb for storage of memorabilia relating to the deceased
>
> 17: a person or entity providing capital to be used as initial operating funds for a new business
>
> 18: _obs._ a seven-sided chamber used by the Privy Council during the 11th and 12th centuries in England
>
> 19: a good luck token carried in a leather pouch, usually worn around around the neck and meant to ward off disease
>
> 20: In the Anglican (High Church Episcopal) rite, a group of seven assistants required when certain Masses are celebrated by a bishop
>

Paul Keating
May 21st, 2012, 03:44 PM
Vox pop says it's one of the churchy ones, but I'm not convinced. I'll take
1 and 19.

Chuck
May 21st, 2012, 05:10 PM
Millie -

a nice list. I'll try -

9: liturgical embroidery, esp. as an act of devotion or contrition

and

16: a chamber in a mausoleum or tomb for storage of memorabilia relating
to the deceased

thanks,

Chuck

Jim Hart
May 21st, 2012, 08:11 PM
Am I still in time? If so, 1 and 16 please.

Jim

Millie Morgan
May 21st, 2012, 08:37 PM
Oh Jim!
Yes you ARE in time ... I haven't quite wrapped it up yet.

But now I'm not quite sure what to do ...
you and Mike are both on 7 votes and have both picked No.1 ... the correct def.
So now I need to separate you using the Rolling Scores
But Mike's aheads on the 5-game total, and you're ahead on the 4-game total
and I've never been quite sure which is used in the case of a tie.

HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO ME!!! :)

--Millie





----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Hart
To: dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com
Cc: Dixonary (group)
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Round 2306 ... it's time to vote


Am I still in time? If so, 1 and 16 please.

Jim

Millie Morgan
May 21st, 2012, 08:39 PM
Oh heck!
And I've just realised I've sent this to the GROUP!!
Doesn't matter I suppose ...
I'll accept opinions from everybody :)

--Millie



----- Original Message -----
From: Millie Morgan
To: dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Round 2306 ... it's time to vote


Oh Jim!
Yes you ARE in time ... I haven't quite wrapped it up yet.

But now I'm not quite sure what to do ...
you and Mike are both on 7 votes and have both picked No.1 ... the correct def.
So now I need to separate you using the Rolling Scores
But Mike's aheads on the 5-game total, and you're ahead on the 4-game total
and I've never been quite sure which is used in the case of a tie.

HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO ME!!! :)

--Millie





----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Hart
To: dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com
Cc: Dixonary (group)
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Round 2306 ... it's time to vote


Am I still in time? If so, 1 and 16 please.

Jim

Dodi Schultz
May 21st, 2012, 08:44 PM
On 5/21/2012 9:37 PM, Millie Morgan wrote:
> Oh Jim!
> Yes you ARE in time ... I haven't quite wrapped it up yet.
> But now I'm not quite sure what to do ...
> you and Mike are both on 7 votes and have both picked No.1 ... the
> correct def.
> So now I need to separate you using the Rolling Scores
> But Mike's aheads on the 5-game total, and you're ahead on the 4-game total
> and I've never been quite sure which is used in the case of a tie.
> HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO ME!!! :)
> --Millie

It's the 4-game total, Millie: the last five rounds INCLUDING THIS ONE.

(Forgive me, Jim.)

Millie Morgan
May 21st, 2012, 08:50 PM
Thanks Dodi ... but I really still don't get it.
The last Rolling Scores that Mike sent us has 5 games in it, and it
ceratinly doesn't include this game.
??

--Millie



----- Original Message -----
From: "Dodi Schultz" <DodiSchultz (AT) nasw (DOT) org>
To: <dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Round 2306 ... it's time to vote


> On 5/21/2012 9:37 PM, Millie Morgan wrote:
>> Oh Jim!
>> Yes you ARE in time ... I haven't quite wrapped it up yet.
>> But now I'm not quite sure what to do ...
>> you and Mike are both on 7 votes and have both picked No.1 ... the
>> correct def.
>> So now I need to separate you using the Rolling Scores
>> But Mike's aheads on the 5-game total, and you're ahead on the 4-game
>> total
>> and I've never been quite sure which is used in the case of a tie.
>> HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO ME!!! :)
>> --Millie
>
> It's the 4-game total, Millie: the last five rounds INCLUDING THIS ONE.
>
> (Forgive me, Jim.)
>

Dodi Schultz
May 21st, 2012, 08:53 PM
On 5/21/2012 9:39 PM, Millie Morgan wrote:
> Oh heck!
> And I've just realised I've sent this to the GROUP!!
> Doesn't matter I suppose ...
> I'll accept opinions from everybody :)

Well, time was up, and we're going to find out very soon anyway . . .

Millie Morgan
May 21st, 2012, 08:57 PM
Hehehe yes, that did console me :)

So ...
I've been thinking Dodi ...

are you saying I need to do some sums?

Meaning, I take Mike's figures for only the last 4 rounds
and then add on 9 ponts each for THIS round?
.... making Jim 19
and Mike 18

--Millie



----- Original Message -----
From: "Dodi Schultz" <DodiSchultz (AT) nasw (DOT) org>
To: <dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: [Dixonary] Round 2306 ... it's time to vote


> On 5/21/2012 9:39 PM, Millie Morgan wrote:
>> Oh heck!
>> And I've just realised I've sent this to the GROUP!!
>> Doesn't matter I suppose ...
>> I'll accept opinions from everybody :)
>
> Well, time was up, and we're going to find out very soon anyway . . .
>
>

Dodi Schultz
May 21st, 2012, 08:58 PM
On 5/21/2012 9:50 PM, Millie Morgan wrote:
> Thanks Dodi ... but I really still don't get it.
> The last Rolling Scores that Mike sent us has 5 games in it, and it
> ceratinly doesn't include this game.

That's true. You take the 4-round total from the last rolling scores and
add this round.

In other words, forget what I just said and go by the 4-round total on the
last rolling scores.

So it's Jim.

Jim Hart
May 21st, 2012, 09:25 PM
I considered disqualifying myself since I did vote after your deadline, but
sadly I recall that the dealer is omnipotent and can accept or reject votes
as she sees fit. I should have just sat it out. Ah well, new word coming up
soon.

Jim

On Tuesday, 22 May 2012 11:37:26 UTC+10, Millie Morgan wrote:
>
> 
> Oh Jim!
> Yes you ARE in time ... I haven't quite wrapped it up yet.
>
> But now I'm not quite sure what to do ...
> you and Mike are both on 7 votes and have both picked No.1 ... the correct
> def.
> So now I need to separate you using the Rolling Scores
> But Mike's aheads on the 5-game total, and you're ahead on the 4-game total
> and I've never been quite sure which is used in the case of a tie.
>
> HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO ME!!! :)
>
> --Millie
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Jim Hart <jfshart (AT) gmail (DOT) com>
> *To:* dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com
> *Cc:* Dixonary (group) <Dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 22, 2012 11:11 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Dixonary] Round 2306 ... it's time to vote
>
> Am I still in time? If so, 1 and 16 please.
>
> Jim
>
>
>

Jim Hart
May 21st, 2012, 09:39 PM
Dodi (and other veterans) -

> In other words, forget what I just said and go by the 4-round total on
the last rolling scores.

As I recall, many moons ago we used to just keep rolling 5-round scores,
with the tiebreaker based on the latest 5 _including the round just
played_. But of course the current round's scores are irrelevant for two
tied players so only the previous four are significant, which is why our
statistician conveniently lists both the 4- and 5-round totals.

So... why do we still record the 5-round total? Does it have any other
purpose? Or is it simply because that's what we do?

I'm only asking,

Jim

Dodi Schultz
May 21st, 2012, 10:36 PM
On 5/21/2012 9:57 PM, Millie Morgan wrote:
>
>
> So ... I've been thinking Dodi ...
>
> are you saying I need to do some sums?
>
> Meaning, I take Mike's figures for only the last 4 rounds
> and then add on 9 ponts each for THIS round?
> ... making Jim 19
> and Mike 18

You've got it.

Dodi Schultz
May 21st, 2012, 10:47 PM
On 5/21/2012 10:39 PM, Jim Hart wrote:
> Dodi (and other veterans) -
>
> > In other words, forget what I just said and go by the 4-round total on
> the last rolling scores.
>
> As I recall, many moons ago we used to just keep rolling 5-round scores,
> with the tiebreaker based on the latest 5 _including the round just
> played_. But of course the current round's scores are irrelevant for two
> tied players so only the previous four are significant, which is why our
> statistician conveniently lists both the 4- and 5-round totals.
>
> So... why do we still record the 5-round total? Does it have any other
> purpose? Or is it simply because that's what we do?
>
> I'm only asking,
>
>

Only The Rounds-Keeper knows.

Hugo Kornelis
May 22nd, 2012, 01:34 AM
Hi Jim,

Off the top of my head (and too lazy to look it up in Da Rulez), I seem
to recall that the 5-round score including the latest round (*) is the
FIRST tie-breaker, and the 5-round score NOT including the latest round
(**) is the SECOND tie-breaker. (***)

(*) And since a tie-breaker is only required if players score equal in
the latest round, using the 5-round score including the latest round is
exactly equivalent to using the 4-round score NOT including the current
round - which is easily found in the 4-round column of the rolling
scores (except for the very rare occassions where the scorekeeper has
fallen behind).

(**) And this is the 5-round column of the rolling scores.

(***) In case that a third tie-breaker is required, I *think* that the
position in the all-time scores has to be used. Not sure, though.

Cheers,
Hugo


Op 22-5-2012 4:39, Jim Hart schreef:
> Dodi (and other veterans) -
>
> > In other words, forget what I just said and go by the 4-round total
> on the last rolling scores.
>
> As I recall, many moons ago we used to just keep rolling 5-round
> scores, with the tiebreaker based on the latest 5 _including the round
> just played_. But of course the current round's scores are irrelevant
> for two tied players so only the previous four are significant, which
> is why our statistician conveniently lists both the 4- and 5-round
> totals.
>
> So... why do we still record the 5-round total? Does it have any other
> purpose? Or is it simply because that's what we do?
>
> I'm only asking,
>
> Jim
>

Paul Keating
May 22nd, 2012, 03:16 PM
Millie,

This issue with the 4-round scores and the 5-round scores has been tripping dealers up for 20 years. The “real” rules do their best to explain, in the commentary below, but if you can’t bear to plough through it, stick with the 4-round scores.

From the “real” rules:

Rule:

10.The dealer decides ties by ranking the tied players, applying the rules below in order until one player outranks the rest:
(a) A player who has a “natural score”, that is, one achieved without earning points for guessing correctly, ranks higher.
(b) A player who has a higher 4-round rolling score (not including the results of the round being resolved) ranks higher.

Commentary (yes, it’s long, because there is a bit to explain, sorry):

The 1990 rules instruct the dealer to rank players according to their 5-round rolling scores, including the results of the round being resolved. The dealer will arrive at an identical result using their 4-round rolling scores, not including the results of the round being resolved, since their scores in the current round are equal (otherwise there would be no tie to decide) and so can’t affect their relative positions.

Using 4-round rolling scores has the advantage that they are available to you. The scorekeeper will obviously publish rolling scores that include the current round only after you have announced the results. The 1990 rules’ call for a rolling score that is not available at the time of announcing results has long been a source of confusion (earliest known instance, round 233).

In the 1990s a dealer would often simply report that there was a tie and wait for the scorekeeper to decide it (earliest known instance, round 614), rather than follow the correct procedure, which was: take the most recent 5-round rolling scores report and subtract out the oldest round. For this reason, the rolling scores report has for years now contained both 4-round and 5-round scores. This relieves you of having to compute the 4-round scores manually.

Requiring the 5-round rolling scores to include the current round’s results was clearly an oversight. The sole purpose of the rolling score is to resolve ties in the current round, and including the current round’s tied scores in it does not serve that purpose. And it is a bit absurd for the rules to call for the publication of a rolling score that can’t be used directly for its sole purpose.

-----Original Message-----
From: Millie Morgan
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 3:50 AM
To: dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com
Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Round 2306 ... it's time to vote

Thanks Dodi ... but I really still don't get it.
The last Rolling Scores that Mike sent us has 5 games in it, and it
ceratinly doesn't include this game.
??

--Millie



----- Original Message -----
From: "Dodi Schultz" <DodiSchultz (AT) nasw (DOT) org>
To: <dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Round 2306 ... it's time to vote


> On 5/21/2012 9:37 PM, Millie Morgan wrote:
>> Oh Jim!
>> Yes you ARE in time ... I haven't quite wrapped it up yet.
>> But now I'm not quite sure what to do ...
>> you and Mike are both on 7 votes and have both picked No.1 ... the
>> correct def.
>> So now I need to separate you using the Rolling Scores
>> But Mike's aheads on the 5-game total, and you're ahead on the 4-game
>> total
>> and I've never been quite sure which is used in the case of a tie.
>> HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO ME!!! :)
>> --Millie
>
> It's the 4-game total, Millie: the last five rounds INCLUDING THIS ONE.
>
> (Forgive me, Jim.)
>