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Steve Graham
April 21st, 2012, 09:34 PM
* C O G N O M E N *



Do NOT look it up. DO create a dictionary-like definition designed to
deceive your fellow players.



Send that def to my e-mail address sdgraham (AT) duckswild (DOT) com. Do this by
creating a new message; do NOT use the "Reply" button (which would reveal
your definition to the whole group).



The deadline is 1 p.m. Pacific Daylight Time, April 23rd, which is 8 p.m.
UTC.

Other times are:



New York 4 p.m. April 23

London 9 p.m. April 23

Amsterdam 10 p.m. April 23

Melbourne, 6 a.m. April 34



I always tremble at the thought of choosing something this elite group
doesn't know, but IF you already know the meaning of the word, send me a
message telling me so (again, a new, private message). Please do that right
away. If too many of you know it, I'll choose another word.



Steve Graham <mailto:sdgraham (AT) duckswild (DOT) com>

_____

Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too
dark to read. Groucho Marx

Dodi Schultz
April 21st, 2012, 10:36 PM
On 4/21/2012 10:34 PM, Steve Graham wrote:
>
> The deadline is 1 p.m. Pacific Daylight Time, April 23rd, which is 8 p.m.
> UTC.
>
> Other times are:
>
> New York 4 p.m. April 23
>
> London 9 p.m. April 23
>
> Amsterdam 10 p.m. April 23
>
> Melbourne, 6 a.m. April 34
>
>
Gee, Millie and Jim get a REALLY long time!

Steve Graham
April 21st, 2012, 11:02 PM
24th, of course....

Steve Graham

Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too
dark to read. Groucho Marx


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On 4/21/2012 10:34 PM, Steve Graham wrote:
>
> The deadline is 1 p.m. Pacific Daylight Time, April 23rd, which is 8 p.m.
> UTC.
>
> Other times are:
>
> New York 4 p.m. April 23
>
> London 9 p.m. April 23
>
> Amsterdam 10 p.m. April 23
>
> Melbourne, 6 a.m. April 34
>
>
Gee, Millie and Jim get a REALLY long time!

Steve Graham
April 22nd, 2012, 10:22 PM
Sigh

It looks as though I slipped a cog...

I got home today to find a slew of declared DQs. I'll come up with a new woid tomorrow (Monday, PDT)

For those interested:

Concise Oxford English Dictionary © 2008 Oxford University Press:
cognomen /kɒgˈnəʊmən/
â–¶noun
an extra personal name given to an ancient Roman citizen, functioning rather like a nickname and often passed from father to son.

Steve Graham

Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. Groucho Marx

Jim Hart
April 23rd, 2012, 12:25 AM
Outside of a cog no men can read... or something like that. And I thought
it was that thing on a sundial.

Jim


On Monday, 23 April 2012 13:22:21 UTC+10, Steve wrote:
>
> Sigh
>
> It looks as though I slipped a cog...
>
> I got home today to find a slew of declared DQs. I'll come up with a new
> woid tomorrow (Monday, PDT)
>
> For those interested:
>
> Concise Oxford English Dictionary © 2008 Oxford University Press:
> cognomen /kɒgˈnəʊmən/
> â–¶noun
> an extra personal name given to an ancient Roman citizen, functioning
> rather like a nickname and often passed from father to son.
>
> Steve Graham
>
> Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too
> dark to read. Groucho Marx
>
>
>

John Barrs
April 23rd, 2012, 04:35 AM
? sundial? nah! that's a gnomon: I had DQ'd and was awaiting the
cancellation but had prepared a def which would have built on that spelling
mistake (which is recorded in OED as "gnomon, erroneously gnomen (16thC") )
and been "a special sundial created for the Festival of Britain (1951) with
a movable gnomen to show either GMT or BST as appropriate [actually it was
the dial that moved]"

JohnnyB

On 23 April 2012 06:25, Jim Hart <jfshart (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

> Outside of a cog no men can read... or something like that. And I thought
> it was that thing on a sundial.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> On Monday, 23 April 2012 13:22:21 UTC+10, Steve wrote:
>>
>> Sigh
>>
>> It looks as though I slipped a cog...
>>
>> I got home today to find a slew of declared DQs. I'll come up with a new
>> woid tomorrow (Monday, PDT)
>>
>> For those interested:
>>
>> Concise Oxford English Dictionary © 2008 Oxford University Press:
>> cognomen /kɒgˈnəʊmən/
>> â–¶noun
>> an extra personal name given to an ancient Roman citizen, functioning
>> rather like a nickname and often passed from father to son.
>>
>> Steve Graham
>>
>> Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too
>> dark to read. Groucho Marx
>>
>>
>>

Jim Hart
April 23rd, 2012, 07:29 AM
Well yes, but I figured it was close enough for a <nad>. OTOH your device
sounds more like the abominable gnomon.

And incidentally, if you ask google about gnomen [sic] you find that
http://www.encyclo.co.uk/define/Gnomen and
http://www.digital-documents.co.uk/archi/gloschur.htm think it's the finger
on a sundial.

Jim

On Monday, 23 April 2012 19:35:04 UTC+10, JohnnyB wrote:
>
> ? sundial? nah! that's a gnomon: I had DQ'd and was awaiting the
> cancellation but had prepared a def which would have built on that spelling
> mistake (which is recorded in OED as "gnomon, erroneously gnomen (16thC") )
> and been "a special sundial created for the Festival of Britain (1951) with
> a movable gnomen to show either GMT or BST as appropriate [actually it was
> the dial that moved]"
>
> JohnnyB
>
> On 23 April 2012 06:25, Jim Hart <jfshart (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
>
>> Outside of a cog no men can read... or something like that. And I thought
>> it was that thing on a sundial.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, 23 April 2012 13:22:21 UTC+10, Steve wrote:
>>>
>>> Sigh
>>>
>>> It looks as though I slipped a cog...
>>>
>>> I got home today to find a slew of declared DQs. I'll come up with a new
>>> woid tomorrow (Monday, PDT)
>>>
>>> For those interested:
>>>
>>> Concise Oxford English Dictionary © 2008 Oxford University Press:
>>> cognomen /kɒgˈnəʊmən/
>>> â–¶noun
>>> an extra personal name given to an ancient Roman citizen, functioning
>>> rather like a nickname and often passed from father to son.
>>>
>>> Steve Graham
>>>
>>> Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's
>>> too dark to read. Groucho Marx
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

—Keith Hale—
April 23rd, 2012, 11:07 AM
Ok, i know it goes without saying, but "abominable gnomon" is greatness,
and "outside a cog, no mon can read" is even greaterness. Take a bow, Mr.
Hart!

On 23 Apr 2012 00:25, "Jim Hart" <jfshart (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Outside of a cog no men can read... or something like that. And I thought
it was that thing on a sundial.

Jim




On Monday, 23 April 2012 13:22:21 UTC+10, Steve wrote:
>
> Sigh
>
> It looks as though I slipped ...

John Barrs
April 23rd, 2012, 12:17 PM
Jim

abominable gnomon is wonderful

wrt the finger on a sundial: when I was quite small (about 8) I spent
nearly all of one summer in an isolation hospital - no visitors etc. In
fact there was little wrong with me except that I was contagious so in good
weather, provided I avoided the gardeners, I was allowed to roam the
gardens and it had been one of the "Great Houses". In the walled orchard
garden were three sundials, two quite normal with gnomons (sic) but the
third one was a glass globe that focused the sun's rays onto its dial so
that the bright spot told the time. It was very well constructed so that
yes, you could set light to a piece of paper at the focus (and thus really
burning your fingers was also a possibility) but the surface it hit was
metal with long fins going deep into the stone pillar that supported it and
so it itself wasn't very hot. There were also clips so that you could
secure a piece of special paper which then registered the acual times of
sunlight by burning a track. The paper was special in that it charred at
the globe focus and didn't catch fire. One of the gardner's left me a
booklet about it which is why I know this much - They had to bake it in an
oven after I had touched it -- I still have scorch marks on two of my own
books!!

JohnnyB



On 23 April 2012 13:29, Jim Hart <jfshart (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

> Well yes, but I figured it was close enough for a <nad>. OTOH your device
> sounds more like the abominable gnomon.
>
> And incidentally, if you ask google about gnomen [sic] you find that
> http://www.encyclo.co.uk/define/Gnomen and
> http://www.digital-documents.co.uk/archi/gloschur.htm think it's the
> finger on a sundial.
>
> Jim
>
>
> On Monday, 23 April 2012 19:35:04 UTC+10, JohnnyB wrote:
>>
>> ? sundial? nah! that's a gnomon: I had DQ'd and was awaiting the
>> cancellation but had prepared a def which would have built on that spelling
>> mistake (which is recorded in OED as "gnomon, erroneously gnomen (16thC") )
>> and been "a special sundial created for the Festival of Britain (1951) with
>> a movable gnomen to show either GMT or BST as appropriate [actually it was
>> the dial that moved]"
>>
>> JohnnyB
>>
>> On 23 April 2012 06:25, Jim Hart <jfshart (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
>>
>>> Outside of a cog no men can read... or something like that. And I
>>> thought it was that thing on a sundial.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, 23 April 2012 13:22:21 UTC+10, Steve wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sigh
>>>>
>>>> It looks as though I slipped a cog...
>>>>
>>>> I got home today to find a slew of declared DQs. I'll come up with a
>>>> new woid tomorrow (Monday, PDT)
>>>>
>>>> For those interested:
>>>>
>>>> Concise Oxford English Dictionary © 2008 Oxford University Press:
>>>> cognomen /kɒgˈnəʊmən/
>>>> â–¶noun
>>>> an extra personal name given to an ancient Roman citizen, functioning
>>>> rather like a nickname and often passed from father to son.
>>>>
>>>> Steve Graham
>>>>
>>>> Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's
>>>> too dark to read. Groucho Marx
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>

Bill Bensburg
April 24th, 2012, 11:01 PM
Jim, that globe sounds like the most wonderful item to grace a garden
I can imagine! Can it (they) be procured?

Bill


On Apr 23, 1:17Â*pm, John Barrs <johnnyba... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> Jim
>
> abominable gnomon is wonderful
>
> wrt the finger on a sundial: when I was quite small (about 8) I spent
> nearly all of one summer in an isolation hospital - no visitors etc. In
> fact there was little wrong with me except that I was contagious so in good
> weather, provided I avoided the gardeners, I was allowed to roam the
> gardens and it had been one of the "Great Houses". In the walled orchard
> garden were three sundials, two quite normal with gnomons (sic) but the
> third one was a glass globe that focused the sun's rays onto its dial so
> that the bright spot told the time. It was very well constructed so that
> yes, you could set light to a piece of paper at the focus (and thus really
> burning your fingers was also a possibility) but the surface it hit was
> metal with long fins going deep into the stone pillar that supported it and
> so it itself wasn't very hot. There were also clips so that you could
> secure a piece of special paper which then registered the acual times of
> sunlight by burning a track. The paper was special in that it charred at
> the globe focus and didn't catch fire. One of the gardner's left me a
> booklet about it which is why I know this much - They had to bake it in an
> oven after I had touched it -- I still have scorch marks on two of my own
> books!!
>
> JohnnyB
>
> On 23 April 2012 13:29, Jim Hart <jfsh... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Well yes, but I figured it was close enough for a <nad>. OTOH your device
> > sounds more like the abominable gnomon.
>
> > And incidentally, if you ask google about gnomen [sic] you find that
> >http://www.encyclo.co.uk/define/Gnomenand
> >http://www.digital-documents.co.uk/archi/gloschur.htmthink it's the
> > finger on a sundial.
>
> > Jim
>
> > On Monday, 23 April 2012 19:35:04 UTC+10, JohnnyB wrote:
>
> >> ? sundial? nah! that's a gnomon: I had DQ'd and was awaiting the
> >> cancellation but had prepared a def which would have built on that spelling
> >> mistake (which is recorded in OED as "gnomon, erroneously gnomen (16thC") )
> >> and been "a special sundial created for the Festival of Britain (1951) with
> >> a movable gnomen to show either GMT or BST as appropriate [actually it was
> >> the dial that moved]"
>
> >> JohnnyB
>
> >> On 23 April 2012 06:25, Jim Hart <jfsh... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
>
> >>> Outside of a cog no men can read... or something like that. And I
> >>> thought it was that thing on a sundial.
>
> >>> Jim
>
> >>> On Monday, 23 April 2012 13:22:21 UTC+10, Steve wrote:
>
> >>>> Sigh
>
> >>>> It looks as though I slipped a cog...
>
> >>>> I got home today to find a slew of declared DQs. I'll come up with a
> >>>> new woid tomorrow (Monday, PDT)
>
> >>>> For those interested:
>
> >>>> Concise Oxford English Dictionary © 2008 Oxford University Press:
> >>>> cognomen /kɒgˈnəʊmən/
> >>>> â–¶noun
> >>>> an extra personal name given to an ancient Roman citizen, functioning
> >>>> rather like a nickname and often passed from father to son.
>
> >>>> Steve Graham
>
> >>>> Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's
> >>>> too dark to read. Groucho Marx

Tim Lodge
April 25th, 2012, 04:58 AM
Bill

I think that Johnny Barrs is describing a sunshine recorder. They can
be bought, but as specialised scientific instruments, they're not
cheap. I found an example at

http://www.metcheck.co.uk/acatalog/Campbell_Stokes_Sunshine_Records.html

-- Tim L

On Apr 25, 5:01*am, Bill Bensburg <BBensb... (AT) cfl (DOT) rr.com> wrote:
> Jim, that globe sounds like the most wonderful item to grace a garden
> I can imagine! Can it (they) be procured?
>
> * *Bill
>

John Barrs
April 25th, 2012, 05:33 AM
Further to Tim's response...

the hospital had been one of the old statley homes and the "sunshine
recorder" was obviously the toy of a rich Victorian --- take the picture
that was on the site Tim sent you to, increase the size of the globe so it
is about a foot diameter, mount it on what I suspect (with my further
experience) to be very hard bronze (it was slightly greened but not
completely verdigreed) - the focus is about 9-10 inches so the backing -
probably gunmetal for it was all grey and not greened at all, and (as my
memory from the booklet) deep fins to carry the heat away into a brick
column bout 5 feet tall on a plinth.

Magic for the kind of child I was but it probably cost as much when it was
created as today (and an agricultural workers wages at about a shilling a
week to put that into perspective)

JohnnyB

On 25 April 2012 05:01, Bill Bensburg <BBensburg (AT) cfl (DOT) rr.com> wrote:

> Jim, that globe sounds like the most wonderful item to grace a garden
> I can imagine! Can it (they) be procured?
>
> Bill
>
>
> On Apr 23, 1:17 pm, John Barrs <johnnyba... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> > Jim
> >
> > abominable gnomon is wonderful
> >
> > wrt the finger on a sundial: when I was quite small (about 8) I spent
> > nearly all of one summer in an isolation hospital - no visitors etc. In
> > fact there was little wrong with me except that I was contagious so in
> good
> > weather, provided I avoided the gardeners, I was allowed to roam the
> > gardens and it had been one of the "Great Houses". In the walled orchard
> > garden were three sundials, two quite normal with gnomons (sic) but the
> > third one was a glass globe that focused the sun's rays onto its dial so
> > that the bright spot told the time. It was very well constructed so that
> > yes, you could set light to a piece of paper at the focus (and thus
> really
> > burning your fingers was also a possibility) but the surface it hit was
> > metal with long fins going deep into the stone pillar that supported it
> and
> > so it itself wasn't very hot. There were also clips so that you could
> > secure a piece of special paper which then registered the acual times of
> > sunlight by burning a track. The paper was special in that it charred at
> > the globe focus and didn't catch fire. One of the gardner's left me a
> > booklet about it which is why I know this much - They had to bake it in
> an
> > oven after I had touched it -- I still have scorch marks on two of my own
> > books!!
> >
> > JohnnyB
> >
> > On 23 April 2012 13:29, Jim Hart <jfsh... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Well yes, but I figured it was close enough for a <nad>. OTOH your
> device
> > > sounds more like the abominable gnomon.
> >
> > > And incidentally, if you ask google about gnomen [sic] you find that
> > >http://www.encyclo.co.uk/define/Gnomenand
> > >http://www.digital-documents.co.uk/archi/gloschur.htmthink it's the
> > > finger on a sundial.
> >
> > > Jim
> >
> > > On Monday, 23 April 2012 19:35:04 UTC+10, JohnnyB wrote:
> >
> > >> ? sundial? nah! that's a gnomon: I had DQ'd and was awaiting the
> > >> cancellation but had prepared a def which would have built on that
> spelling
> > >> mistake (which is recorded in OED as "gnomon, erroneously gnomen
> (16thC") )
> > >> and been "a special sundial created for the Festival of Britain
> (1951) with
> > >> a movable gnomen to show either GMT or BST as appropriate [actually
> it was
> > >> the dial that moved]"
> >
> > >> JohnnyB
> >
> > >> On 23 April 2012 06:25, Jim Hart <jfsh... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> >
> > >>> Outside of a cog no men can read... or something like that. And I
> > >>> thought it was that thing on a sundial.
> >
> > >>> Jim
> >
> > >>> On Monday, 23 April 2012 13:22:21 UTC+10, Steve wrote:
> >
> > >>>> Sigh
> >
> > >>>> It looks as though I slipped a cog...
> >
> > >>>> I got home today to find a slew of declared DQs. I'll come up with a
> > >>>> new woid tomorrow (Monday, PDT)
> >
> > >>>> For those interested:
> >
> > >>>> Concise Oxford English Dictionary © 2008 Oxford University Press:
> > >>>> cognomen /kɒgˈnəʊmən/
> > >>>> â–¶noun
> > >>>> an extra personal name given to an ancient Roman citizen,
> functioning
> > >>>> rather like a nickname and often passed from father to son.
> >
> > >>>> Steve Graham
> >
> > >>>> Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog
> it's
> > >>>> too dark to read. Groucho Marx
>

Tim Lodge
April 25th, 2012, 06:32 AM
Johnny

Yours was obviously a very grand sunshine recorder to go with a grand
house. Where was the hospital? I wonder if the sphere is still there
today.

-- Tim L

On Apr 25, 11:33Â*am, John Barrs <johnnyba... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> Further to Tim's response...
>
> the hospital had been one of the old statley homes and the "sunshine
> recorder" was obviously the toy of a rich Victorian --- take the picture
> that was on the site Tim sent you to, increase the size of the globe so it
> is about a foot diameter, mount it on what I suspect (with my further
> experience) to be very hard bronze (it was slightly greened but not
> completely verdigreed) - the focus is about 9-10 inches so the backing -
> probably gunmetal for it was all grey and not greened at all, and (as my
> memory from the booklet) deep fins to carry the heat away into a brick
> column bout 5 feet tall on a plinth.
>
> Magic for the kind of child I was but it probably cost as much when it was
> created as today (and an agricultural workers wages at about a shilling a
> week to put that into perspective)
>
> JohnnyB
>
> On 25 April 2012 05:01, Bill Bensburg <BBensb... (AT) cfl (DOT) rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Jim, that globe sounds like the most wonderful item to grace a garden
> > I can imagine! Can it (they) be procured?
>
> > Â* Bill
>
> > On Apr 23, 1:17 pm, John Barrs <johnnyba... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> > > Jim
>
> > > abominable gnomon is wonderful
>
> > > wrt the finger on a sundial: when I was quite small (about 8) I spent
> > > nearly all of one summer in an isolation hospital - no visitors etc. In
> > > fact there was little wrong with me except that I was contagious so in
> > good
> > > weather, provided I avoided the gardeners, I was allowed to roam the
> > > gardens and it had been one of the "Great Houses". In the walled orchard
> > > garden were three sundials, two quite normal with gnomons (sic) but the
> > > third one was a glass globe that focused the sun's rays onto its dial so
> > > that the bright spot told the time. It was very well constructed so that
> > > yes, you could set light to a piece of paper at the focus (and thus
> > really
> > > burning your fingers was also a possibility) but the surface it hit was
> > > metal with long fins going deep into the stone pillar that supported it
> > and
> > > so it itself wasn't very hot. There were also clips so that you could
> > > secure a piece of special paper which then registered the acual times of
> > > sunlight by burning a track. The paper was special in that it charred at
> > > the globe focus and didn't catch fire. One of the gardner's left me a
> > > booklet about it which is why I know this much - They had to bake it in
> > an
> > > oven after I had touched it -- I still have scorch marks on two of my own
> > > books!!
>
> > > JohnnyB
>
> > > On 23 April 2012 13:29, Jim Hart <jfsh... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
>
> > > > Well yes, but I figured it was close enough for a <nad>. OTOH your
> > device
> > > > sounds more like the abominable gnomon.
>
> > > > And incidentally, if you ask google about gnomen [sic] you find that
> > > >http://www.encyclo.co.uk/define/Gnomenand
> > > >http://www.digital-documents.co.uk/archi/gloschur.htmthinkit's the
> > > > finger on a sundial.
>
> > > > Jim
>
> > > > On Monday, 23 April 2012 19:35:04 UTC+10, JohnnyB wrote:
>
> > > >> ? sundial? nah! that's a gnomon: I had DQ'd and was awaiting the
> > > >> cancellation but had prepared a def which would have built on that
> > spelling
> > > >> mistake (which is recorded in OED as "gnomon, erroneously gnomen
> > (16thC") )
> > > >> and been "a special sundial created for the Festival of Britain
> > (1951) with
> > > >> a movable gnomen to show either GMT or BST as appropriate [actually
> > it was
> > > >> the dial that moved]"
>
> > > >> JohnnyB
>
> > > >> On 23 April 2012 06:25, Jim Hart <jfsh... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
>
> > > >>> Outside of a cog no men can read... or something like that. And I
> > > >>> thought it was that thing on a sundial.
>
> > > >>> Jim
>
> > > >>> On Monday, 23 April 2012 13:22:21 UTC+10, Steve wrote:
>
> > > >>>> Sigh
>
> > > >>>> It looks as though I slipped a cog...
>
> > > >>>> I got home today to find a slew of declared DQs. I'll come up with a
> > > >>>> new woid tomorrow (Monday, PDT)
>
> > > >>>> For those interested:
>
> > > >>>> Concise Oxford English Dictionary © 2008 Oxford University Press:
> > > >>>> cognomen /kɒgˈnəʊmən/
> > > >>>> â–¶noun
> > > >>>> an extra personal name given to an ancient Roman citizen,
> > functioning
> > > >>>> rather like a nickname and often passed from father to son.
>
> > > >>>> Steve Graham
>
> > > >>>> Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog
> > it's
> > > >>>> too dark to read. Groucho Marx

Jim Hart
April 25th, 2012, 07:11 AM
What a beautiful instrument but I don't think I'll be buying one this week.
Still, nice to know such things are available. Thanks for the link, Tim.

Jim



On Wednesday, 25 April 2012 19:58:59 UTC+10, Tim Lodge wrote:
>
> Bill
>
> I think that Johnny Barrs is describing a sunshine recorder. They can
> be bought, but as specialised scientific instruments, they're not
> cheap. I found an example at
>
> http://www.metcheck.co.uk/acatalog/Campbell_Stokes_Sunshine_Records.html
>
> -- Tim L
>
>

John Barrs
April 25th, 2012, 08:18 AM
it was the Isolation hospital at Morne Hill Winchester... I dont know what
it is now..*.*I think it is still some kind of hospital but may now be
private - we don't go that way very often now as Winchester itself is a
traffic balck-hole which can be hard to climb out of!

On 25 April 2012 12:32, Tim Lodge <5sfwiyj02 (AT) sneakemail (DOT) com> wrote:

> Johnny
>
> Yours was obviously a very grand sunshine recorder to go with a grand
> house. Where was the hospital? I wonder if the sphere is still there
> today.
>
> -- Tim L
>
> On Apr 25, 11:33 am, John Barrs <johnnyba... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> > Further to Tim's response...
> >
> > the hospital had been one of the old statley homes and the "sunshine
> > recorder" was obviously the toy of a rich Victorian --- take the picture
> > that was on the site Tim sent you to, increase the size of the globe so
> it
> > is about a foot diameter, mount it on what I suspect (with my further
> > experience) to be very hard bronze (it was slightly greened but not
> > completely verdigreed) - the focus is about 9-10 inches so the backing -
> > probably gunmetal for it was all grey and not greened at all, and (as my
> > memory from the booklet) deep fins to carry the heat away into a brick
> > column bout 5 feet tall on a plinth.
> >
> > Magic for the kind of child I was but it probably cost as much when it
> was
> > created as today (and an agricultural workers wages at about a shilling a
> > week to put that into perspective)
> >
> > JohnnyB
> >
> > On 25 April 2012 05:01, Bill Bensburg <BBensb... (AT) cfl (DOT) rr.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Jim, that globe sounds like the most wonderful item to grace a garden
> > > I can imagine! Can it (they) be procured?
> >
> > > Bill
> >
> > > On Apr 23, 1:17 pm, John Barrs <johnnyba... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> > > > Jim
> >
> > > > abominable gnomon is wonderful
> >
> > > > wrt the finger on a sundial: when I was quite small (about 8) I spent
> > > > nearly all of one summer in an isolation hospital - no visitors etc..
> In
> > > > fact there was little wrong with me except that I was contagious so
> in
> > > good
> > > > weather, provided I avoided the gardeners, I was allowed to roam the
> > > > gardens and it had been one of the "Great Houses". In the walled
> orchard
> > > > garden were three sundials, two quite normal with gnomons (sic) but
> the
> > > > third one was a glass globe that focused the sun's rays onto its
> dial so
> > > > that the bright spot told the time. It was very well constructed so
> that
> > > > yes, you could set light to a piece of paper at the focus (and thus
> > > really
> > > > burning your fingers was also a possibility) but the surface it hit
> was
> > > > metal with long fins going deep into the stone pillar that supported
> it
> > > and
> > > > so it itself wasn't very hot. There were also clips so that you could
> > > > secure a piece of special paper which then registered the acual
> times of
> > > > sunlight by burning a track. The paper was special in that it
> charred at
> > > > the globe focus and didn't catch fire. One of the gardner's left me a
> > > > booklet about it which is why I know this much - They had to bake it
> in
> > > an
> > > > oven after I had touched it -- I still have scorch marks on two of
> my own
> > > > books!!
> >
> > > > JohnnyB
> >
> > > > On 23 April 2012 13:29, Jim Hart <jfsh... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > Well yes, but I figured it was close enough for a <nad>. OTOH your
> > > device
> > > > > sounds more like the abominable gnomon.
> >
> > > > > And incidentally, if you ask google about gnomen [sic] you find
> that
> > > > >http://www.encyclo.co.uk/define/Gnomenand
> > > > >http://www.digital-documents.co.uk/archi/gloschur.htmthinkit's the
> > > > > finger on a sundial.
> >
> > > > > Jim
> >
> > > > > On Monday, 23 April 2012 19:35:04 UTC+10, JohnnyB wrote:
> >
> > > > >> ? sundial? nah! that's a gnomon: I had DQ'd and was awaiting the
> > > > >> cancellation but had prepared a def which would have built on that
> > > spelling
> > > > >> mistake (which is recorded in OED as "gnomon, erroneously gnomen
> > > (16thC") )
> > > > >> and been "a special sundial created for the Festival of Britain
> > > (1951) with
> > > > >> a movable gnomen to show either GMT or BST as appropriate
> [actually
> > > it was
> > > > >> the dial that moved]"
> >
> > > > >> JohnnyB
> >
> > > > >> On 23 April 2012 06:25, Jim Hart <jfsh... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> >
> > > > >>> Outside of a cog no men can read... or something like that. And I
> > > > >>> thought it was that thing on a sundial.
> >
> > > > >>> Jim
> >
> > > > >>> On Monday, 23 April 2012 13:22:21 UTC+10, Steve wrote:
> >
> > > > >>>> Sigh
> >
> > > > >>>> It looks as though I slipped a cog...
> >
> > > > >>>> I got home today to find a slew of declared DQs. I'll come up
> with a
> > > > >>>> new woid tomorrow (Monday, PDT)
> >
> > > > >>>> For those interested:
> >
> > > > >>>> Concise Oxford English Dictionary © 2008 Oxford University
> Press:
> > > > >>>> cognomen /kɒgˈnəʊmən/
> > > > >>>> â–¶noun
> > > > >>>> an extra personal name given to an ancient Roman citizen,
> > > functioning
> > > > >>>> rather like a nickname and often passed from father to son.
> >
> > > > >>>> Steve Graham
> >
> > > > >>>> Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog
> > > it's
> > > > >>>> too dark to read. Groucho Marx
>

Tim Lodge
April 25th, 2012, 10:14 AM
Johnny

I know Winchester quite well as my parents retired there, so I tried
to find out where your hospital might have been. Morne Hill seems to
be shown on maps now as Magdalen Hill. I know it because I wrote off
my first car there in 1964, ending up in a field belonging to Magdalen
Hill Farm (I'm a more cautious driver now!) There was a St Mary
Magdalene Hospital nearby, but it was knocked down in 1788 - I don't
think you're _that_ old <g>. However, there's now Leigh House
hospital on Magdalen Hill, about 150 yards from where I crashed my
car. It's an NHS unit specialising in acute adolescent care. Sadly,
it's a modern building with no trace of a stately home nearby, so I
fear your sun globe is no longer there.

-- Tim L



On Apr 25, 2:18Â*pm, John Barrs <johnnyba... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> it was the Isolation hospital at Morne Hill Winchester... I dont know what
> it is now..*.*I think it is still some kind of hospital but may now be
> private - we don't go that way very often now as Winchester itself is a
> traffic balck-hole which can be hard to climb out of!
>
> On 25 April 2012 12:32, Tim Lodge <5sfwiy... (AT) sneakemail (DOT) com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Johnny
>
> > Yours was obviously a very grand sunshine recorder to go with a grand
> > house. Â*Where was the hospital? Â*I wonder if the sphere is still there
> > today.
>
> > -- Â*Tim L
>
> > On Apr 25, 11:33 am, John Barrs <johnnyba... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> > > Further to Tim's response...
>
> > > the hospital had been one of the old statley homes and the "sunshine
> > > recorder" was obviously the toy of a rich Victorian --- take the picture
> > > that was on the site Tim sent you to, increase the size of the globe so
> > it
> > > is about a foot diameter, mount it on what I suspect (with my further
> > > experience) to be very hard bronze (it was slightly greened but not
> > > completely verdigreed) - the focus is about 9-10 inches so the backing -
> > > probably gunmetal for it was all grey and not greened at all, and (as my
> > > memory from the booklet) deep fins to carry the heat away into a brick
> > > column bout 5 feet tall on a plinth.
>
> > > Magic for the kind of child I was but it probably cost as much when it
> > was
> > > created as today (and an agricultural workers wages at about a shilling a
> > > week to put that into perspective)
>
> > > JohnnyB
>
> > > On 25 April 2012 05:01, Bill Bensburg <BBensb... (AT) cfl (DOT) rr.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Jim, that globe sounds like the most wonderful item to grace a garden
> > > > I can imagine! Can it (they) be procured?
>
> > > > Â* Bill
>
> > > > On Apr 23, 1:17 pm, John Barrs <johnnyba... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> > > > > Jim
>
> > > > > abominable gnomon is wonderful
>
> > > > > wrt the finger on a sundial: when I was quite small (about 8) I spent
> > > > > nearly all of one summer in an isolation hospital - no visitors etc.
> > In
> > > > > fact there was little wrong with me except that I was contagious so
> > in
> > > > good
> > > > > weather, provided I avoided the gardeners, I was allowed to roam the
> > > > > gardens and it had been one of the "Great Houses". In the walled
> > orchard
> > > > > garden were three sundials, two quite normal with gnomons (sic) but
> > the
> > > > > third one was a glass globe that focused the sun's rays onto its
> > dial so
> > > > > that the bright spot told the time. It was very well constructed so
> > that
> > > > > yes, you could set light to a piece of paper at the focus (and thus
> > > > really
> > > > > burning your fingers was also a possibility) but the surface it hit
> > was
> > > > > metal with long fins going deep into the stone pillar that supported
> > it
> > > > and
> > > > > so it itself wasn't very hot. There were also clips so that you could
> > > > > secure a piece of special paper which then registered the acual
> > times of
> > > > > sunlight by burning a track. The paper was special in that it
> > charred at
> > > > > the globe focus and didn't catch fire. One of the gardner's left me a
> > > > > booklet about it which is why I know this much - They had to bake it
> > in
> > > > an
> > > > > oven after I had touched it -- I still have scorch marks on two of
> > my own
> > > > > books!!
>
> > > > > JohnnyB
>
> > > > > On 23 April 2012 13:29, Jim Hart <jfsh... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Well yes, but I figured it was close enough for a <nad>. OTOH your
> > > > device
> > > > > > sounds more like the abominable gnomon.
>
> > > > > > And incidentally, if you ask google about gnomen [sic] you find
> > that
> > > > > >http://www.encyclo.co.uk/define/Gnomenand
> > > > > >http://www.digital-documents.co.uk/archi/gloschur.htmthinkit'sthe
> > > > > > finger on a sundial.
>
> > > > > > Jim
>
> > > > > > On Monday, 23 April 2012 19:35:04 UTC+10, JohnnyB wrote:
>
> > > > > >> ? sundial? nah! that's a gnomon: I had DQ'd and was awaiting the
> > > > > >> cancellation but had prepared a def which would have built on that
> > > > spelling
> > > > > >> mistake (which is recorded in OED as "gnomon, erroneously gnomen
> > > > (16thC") )
> > > > > >> and been "a special sundial created for the Festival of Britain
> > > > (1951) with
> > > > > >> a movable gnomen to show either GMT or BST as appropriate
> > [actually
> > > > it was
> > > > > >> the dial that moved]"
>
> > > > > >> JohnnyB
>
> > > > > >> On 23 April 2012 06:25, Jim Hart <jfsh... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
>
> > > > > >>> Outside of a cog no men can read... or something like that. And I
> > > > > >>> thought it was that thing on a sundial.
>
> > > > > >>> Jim
>
> > > > > >>> On Monday, 23 April 2012 13:22:21 UTC+10, Steve wrote:
>
> > > > > >>>> Sigh
>
> > > > > >>>> It looks as though I slipped a cog...
>
> > > > > >>>> I got home today to find a slew of declared DQs. I'll come up
> > with a
> > > > > >>>> new woid tomorrow (Monday, PDT)
>
> > > > > >>>> For those interested:
>
> > > > > >>>> Concise Oxford English Dictionary © 2008 Oxford University
> > Press:
> > > > > >>>> cognomen /kɒgˈnəʊmən/
> > > > > >>>> â–¶noun
> > > > > >>>> an extra personal name given to an ancient Roman citizen,
> > > > functioning
> > > > > >>>> rather like a nickname and often passed from father to son.
>
> > > > > >>>> Steve Graham
>
> > > > > >>>> Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog
> > > > it's
> > > > > >>>> too dark to read. Groucho Marx

John Barrs
April 25th, 2012, 02:41 PM
Tim

Is St Swithuns grils school still there? OK do my own searching - yes it
is; just nearer to Winchester than Leigh House Hospital. Looking at
Googlemaps I can see that the walled garden has gone - so I guess that you
are correct in that the sun globe went too. It looks to me as though the
school may have boght some of the grounds.

I used to know that area quite well, I grew up just the Alton side of
Alresford and when at grammar school in Brockenhurst sometimes I used to
cycle to and from school via that route for half terms and such like.
(Winchester, Romsey, Cadnam) Alas, I was fitter in those days! My second
car died on the Winchester bypass (as it was then) in 1964 - I wasn't
driving it and in fact I had legally disposed of it to some students from
Southampton University about a month before. They left it on the verge and
it was an education over the next 6 weeks or so watching it provide spares
as it gradually became less and less like a car. I always wondered who was
foolish enough to stop at such a dangerous point on the road but many
people must have been.

JohnnyB

On 25 April 2012 16:14, Tim Lodge <5sfwiyj02 (AT) sneakemail (DOT) com> wrote:

> Johnny
>
> I know Winchester quite well as my parents retired there, so I tried
> to find out where your hospital might have been. Morne Hill seems to
> be shown on maps now as Magdalen Hill. I know it because I wrote off
> my first car there in 1964, ending up in a field belonging to Magdalen
> Hill Farm (I'm a more cautious driver now!) There was a St Mary
> Magdalene Hospital nearby, but it was knocked down in 1788 - I don't
> think you're _that_ old <g>. However, there's now Leigh House
> hospital on Magdalen Hill, about 150 yards from where I crashed my
> car. It's an NHS unit specialising in acute adolescent care. Sadly,
> it's a modern building with no trace of a stately home nearby, so I
> fear your sun globe is no longer there.
>
> -- Tim L
>
>
>
> On Apr 25, 2:18 pm, John Barrs <johnnyba... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> > it was the Isolation hospital at Morne Hill Winchester... I dont know
> what
> > it is now..*.*I think it is still some kind of hospital but may now be
> > private - we don't go that way very often now as Winchester itself is a
> > traffic balck-hole which can be hard to climb out of!
> >
> > On 25 April 2012 12:32, Tim Lodge <5sfwiy... (AT) sneakemail (DOT) com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Johnny
> >
> > > Yours was obviously a very grand sunshine recorder to go with a grand
> > > house. Where was the hospital? I wonder if the sphere is still there
> > > today.
> >
> > > -- Tim L
> >
> > > On Apr 25, 11:33 am, John Barrs <johnnyba... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> > > > Further to Tim's response...
> >
> > > > the hospital had been one of the old statley homes and the "sunshine
> > > > recorder" was obviously the toy of a rich Victorian --- take the
> picture
> > > > that was on the site Tim sent you to, increase the size of the globe
> so
> > > it
> > > > is about a foot diameter, mount it on what I suspect (with my further
> > > > experience) to be very hard bronze (it was slightly greened but not
> > > > completely verdigreed) - the focus is about 9-10 inches so the
> backing -
> > > > probably gunmetal for it was all grey and not greened at all, and
> (as my
> > > > memory from the booklet) deep fins to carry the heat away into a
> brick
> > > > column bout 5 feet tall on a plinth.
> >
> > > > Magic for the kind of child I was but it probably cost as much when
> it
> > > was
> > > > created as today (and an agricultural workers wages at about a
> shilling a
> > > > week to put that into perspective)
> >
> > > > JohnnyB
> >
> > > > On 25 April 2012 05:01, Bill Bensburg <BBensb... (AT) cfl (DOT) rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > Jim, that globe sounds like the most wonderful item to grace a
> garden
> > > > > I can imagine! Can it (they) be procured?
> >
> > > > > Bill
> >
> > > > > On Apr 23, 1:17 pm, John Barrs <johnnyba... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> > > > > > Jim
> >
> > > > > > abominable gnomon is wonderful
> >
> > > > > > wrt the finger on a sundial: when I was quite small (about 8) I
> spent
> > > > > > nearly all of one summer in an isolation hospital - no visitors
> etc.
> > > In
> > > > > > fact there was little wrong with me except that I was contagious
> so
> > > in
> > > > > good
> > > > > > weather, provided I avoided the gardeners, I was allowed to roam
> the
> > > > > > gardens and it had been one of the "Great Houses". In the walled
> > > orchard
> > > > > > garden were three sundials, two quite normal with gnomons (sic)
> but
> > > the
> > > > > > third one was a glass globe that focused the sun's rays onto its
> > > dial so
> > > > > > that the bright spot told the time. It was very well constructed
> so
> > > that
> > > > > > yes, you could set light to a piece of paper at the focus (and
> thus
> > > > > really
> > > > > > burning your fingers was also a possibility) but the surface it
> hit
> > > was
> > > > > > metal with long fins going deep into the stone pillar that
> supported
> > > it
> > > > > and
> > > > > > so it itself wasn't very hot. There were also clips so that you
> could
> > > > > > secure a piece of special paper which then registered the acual
> > > times of
> > > > > > sunlight by burning a track. The paper was special in that it
> > > charred at
> > > > > > the globe focus and didn't catch fire. One of the gardner's left
> me a
> > > > > > booklet about it which is why I know this much - They had to
> bake it
> > > in
> > > > > an
> > > > > > oven after I had touched it -- I still have scorch marks on two
> of
> > > my own
> > > > > > books!!
> >
> > > > > > JohnnyB
> >
> > > > > > On 23 April 2012 13:29, Jim Hart <jfsh... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > Well yes, but I figured it was close enough for a <nad>. OTOH
> your
> > > > > device
> > > > > > > sounds more like the abominable gnomon.
> >
> > > > > > > And incidentally, if you ask google about gnomen [sic] you find
> > > that
> > > > > > >http://www.encyclo.co.uk/define/Gnomenand
> > > > > > >
> http://www.digital-documents.co.uk/archi/gloschur.htmthinkit'sthe
> > > > > > > finger on a sundial.
> >
> > > > > > > Jim
> >
> > > > > > > On Monday, 23 April 2012 19:35:04 UTC+10, JohnnyB wrote:
> >
> > > > > > >> ? sundial? nah! that's a gnomon: I had DQ'd and was awaiting
> the
> > > > > > >> cancellation but had prepared a def which would have built on
> that
> > > > > spelling
> > > > > > >> mistake (which is recorded in OED as "gnomon, erroneously
> gnomen
> > > > > (16thC") )
> > > > > > >> and been "a special sundial created for the Festival of
> Britain
> > > > > (1951) with
> > > > > > >> a movable gnomen to show either GMT or BST as appropriate
> > > [actually
> > > > > it was
> > > > > > >> the dial that moved]"
> >
> > > > > > >> JohnnyB
> >
> > > > > > >> On 23 April 2012 06:25, Jim Hart <jfsh... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > >>> Outside of a cog no men can read... or something like that.
> And I
> > > > > > >>> thought it was that thing on a sundial.
> >
> > > > > > >>> Jim
> >
> > > > > > >>> On Monday, 23 April 2012 13:22:21 UTC+10, Steve wrote:
> >
> > > > > > >>>> Sigh
> >
> > > > > > >>>> It looks as though I slipped a cog...
> >
> > > > > > >>>> I got home today to find a slew of declared DQs. I'll come
> up
> > > with a
> > > > > > >>>> new woid tomorrow (Monday, PDT)
> >
> > > > > > >>>> For those interested:
> >
> > > > > > >>>> Concise Oxford English Dictionary © 2008 Oxford University
> > > Press:
> > > > > > >>>> cognomen /kɒgˈnəʊmən/
> > > > > > >>>> â–¶noun
> > > > > > >>>> an extra personal name given to an ancient Roman citizen,
> > > > > functioning
> > > > > > >>>> rather like a nickname and often passed from father to son..
> >
> > > > > > >>>> Steve Graham
> >
> > > > > > >>>> Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of
> a dog
> > > > > it's
> > > > > > >>>> too dark to read. Groucho Marx
>