[Dixonary] Score Corrections on Round 2295 - SMARAGDINE

[thejazzmonger]

Mike,

I'm sorry but I have a couple of late corrections to the scoring for Round
2295. Jim Zorbas should receive a 4 (2 dealer Points because I left off his
definition, and 2 points because he voted for #4, the correct definition).

In addition, Paul Keating's winning score becomes 8 instead of 7, due to
the addition of Zorbas' vote. And my miserable deal becomes a D8 instead of
a D7.

Word of caution for everyone, in the future, please be sure you put Da Woid
(the mystery word for that round) in the subject line of your definition
message AND your vote message. That is how Coryphaeus knows to pick up your
message.

--
steve "thejazzmonger" dixon

[France International/Mike Shefler]

Steve,

I'll make the correction. But if Jim voted for 4 and 8, then Johnny
Barrs gets another point also.

Mike


On 4/7/2012 10:33 AM, thejazzmonger wrote:
> Mike,
>
> I'm sorry but I have a couple of late corrections to the scoring for
> Round 2295. Jim Zorbas should receive a 4 (2 dealer Points because I
> left off his definition, and 2 points because he voted for #4, the
> correct definition).
>
> In addition, Paul Keating's winning score becomes 8 instead of 7, due
> to the addition of Zorbas' vote. And my miserable deal becomes a D8
> instead of a D7.
>
> Word of caution for everyone, in the future, please be sure you put Da
> Woid (the mystery word for that round) in the subject line of your
> definition message AND your vote message. That is how Coryphaeus knows
> to pick up your message.
>
> --
> steve "thejazzmonger" dixon
>
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[Dodi Schultz]

On 4/7/2012 10:33 AM, Steve Dixon wrote:


> Word of caution for everyone, in the future, please be sure you put Da
> Woid (the mystery word for that round) in the subject line of your
> definition message AND your vote message.

Of course votes are by direct reply to the dealer's post, so it's automatic
at that stage. The warning applies only to one's def submission.

[Steve Graham]

Where defs are concerned, dealers COULD put the mailto link in their message
with the subject already provided, e.g.

mailto:sdgraham (AT) duckswild (DOT) com?subject=dawoid


Steve Graham

Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too
dark to read. Groucho Marx


-----Original Message-----
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Of Dodi Schultz
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Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Score Corrections on Round 2295 - SMARAGDINE

On 4/7/2012 10:33 AM, Steve Dixon wrote:


> Word of caution for everyone, in the future, please be sure you put Da
> Woid (the mystery word for that round) in the subject line of your
> definition message AND your vote message.

Of course votes are by direct reply to the dealer's post, so it's automatic
at that stage. The warning applies only to one's def submission.

[Paul Keating]

Actually not. Google Groups treats a reply with a modified subject line as
an intentional change to the thread topic. This behaviour is quite
unexpected for those of us accustomed to a thread topic staying put.
Changing the subject line of the vote message from, say, "Round 2345: PADNAG
.... vote now" to "Here's my vote" will change the topic of the thread. Of
course, some other player will very likely change it back again
straightaway, by replying with a vote message that retains the original
subject.

But that one vote message will end up in the dealer's mailbox with a subject
line that doesn't contain the round number or the word. In the Google Group,
that vote message will still be part of the thread, of course. But a dealer
who is using rules and filters in his mail client to direct game messages to
a particular folder stands a very good chance of missing the vote until it
is too late.

P

-----Original Message-----
From: Dodi Schultz
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 5:45 PM
To: dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com
Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Score Corrections on Round 2295 - SMARAGDINE

On 4/7/2012 10:33 AM, Steve Dixon wrote:


> Word of caution for everyone, in the future, please be sure you put Da
> Woid (the mystery word for that round) in the subject line of your
> definition message AND your vote message.

Of course votes are by direct reply to the dealer's post, so it's automatic
at that stage. The warning applies only to one's def submission.

[Dodi Schultz]

What do you mean by "actually not", Paul? We vote by simply hitting
"Reply", which is what I meant by "direct reply to the dealer's post". I
think the subject line then always stays the same. Doesn't it?

—Dodi


On 4/7/2012 1:24 PM, Paul Keating wrote:
> Actually not. Google Groups treats a reply with a modified subject line
> as an intentional change to the thread topic. This behaviour is quite
> unexpected for those of us accustomed to a thread topic staying put.
> Changing the subject line of the vote message from, say, "Round 2345:
> PADNAG ... vote now" to "Here's my vote" will change the topic of the
> thread. Of course, some other player will very likely change it back
> again straightaway, by replying with a vote message that retains the
> original subject.
>
> But that one vote message will end up in the dealer's mailbox with a
> subject line that doesn't contain the round number or the word. In the
> Google Group, that vote message will still be part of the thread, of
> course. But a dealer who is using rules and filters in his mail client to
> direct game messages to a particular folder stands a very good chance of
> missing the vote until it is too late.
>
> P
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Dodi Schultz
> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 5:45 PM
> To: dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com
> Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Score Corrections on Round 2295 - SMARAGDINE
>
> On 4/7/2012 10:33 AM, Steve Dixon wrote:
>
>
>> Word of caution for everyone, in the future, please be sure you put Da
>> Woid (the mystery word for that round) in the subject line of your
>> definition message AND your vote message.
>
> Of course votes are by direct reply to the dealer's post, so it's automatic
> at that stage. The warning applies only to one's def submission.
>
>
>
>

[thejazzmonger]

I got one with a different subject line, however it occurred.

On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Dodi Schultz <DodiSchultz (AT) nasw (DOT) org> wrote:

> What do you mean by "actually not", Paul? We vote by simply hitting
> "Reply", which is what I meant by "direct reply to the dealer's post". I
> think the subject line then always stays the same. Doesn't it?
>
> —Dodi
>
>
>
> On 4/7/2012 1:24 PM, Paul Keating wrote:
>
>> Actually not. Google Groups treats a reply with a modified subject line
>> as an intentional change to the thread topic. This behaviour is quite
>> unexpected for those of us accustomed to a thread topic staying put.
>> Changing the subject line of the vote message from, say, "Round 2345:
>> PADNAG ... vote now" to "Here's my vote" will change the topic of the
>> thread. Of course, some other player will very likely change it back again
>> straightaway, by replying with a vote message that retains the original
>> subject.
>>
>> But that one vote message will end up in the dealer's mailbox with a
>> subject line that doesn't contain the round number or the word. In the
>> Google Group, that vote message will still be part of the thread, of
>> course. But a dealer who is using rules and filters in his mail client to
>> direct game messages to a particular folder stands a very good chance of
>> missing the vote until it is too late.
>>
>> P
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Dodi Schultz
>> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 5:45 PM
>> To: dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com
>> Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Score Corrections on Round 2295 - SMARAGDINE
>>
>> On 4/7/2012 10:33 AM, Steve Dixon wrote:
>>
>>
>> Word of caution for everyone, in the future, please be sure you put Da
>>> Woid (the mystery word for that round) in the subject line of your
>>> definition message AND your vote message.
>>>
>>
>> Of course votes are by direct reply to the dealer's post, so it's
>> automatic
>> at that stage. The warning applies only to one's def submission.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>


--
steve "thejazzmonger" dixon

[Paul Keating]

Well, the subject line is pre-filled, but you are free to change it. And if
you do, that changes the thread topic.

And some players reply by clicking on the email address in the message,
rather than hitting the reply button, and they get a mail dialogue with a
blank subject line. The subject they enter then may not be exactly what the
dealer's mail rules are expecting. In the current round, for example, I got
a submission with the subject line "G E N N E M I C", carefully and
accurately pasted out of the text of the message, but nonetheless likely to
defeat an obvious but naive filter that is looking for subject lines
containing "GENNEMIC" or "2296".

-----Original Message-----
From: Dodi Schultz
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 8:10 PM
To: dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com
Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Score Corrections on Round 2295 - SMARAGDINE

What do you mean by "actually not", Paul? We vote by simply hitting
"Reply", which is what I meant by "direct reply to the dealer's post". I
think the subject line then always stays the same. Doesn't it?

—Dodi

[Guerri Stevens]

I suspect that some people do not vote by hitting "reply" because when
Tbird collects messages, they do not all get displayed for me in one
vertical line underneath the dealer's message requesting votes. On the
other hand, it may be that I have done something to the way Tbird
operates that causes that to happen.

Guerri

Dodi Schultz wrote:
> What do you mean by "actually not", Paul? We vote by simply hitting
> "Reply", which is what I meant by "direct reply to the dealer's post". I
> think the subject line then always stays the same. Doesn't it?
>

[Dodi Schultz]

On 4/8/2012 6:29 AM, Guerri Stevens wrote:
> I suspect that some people do not vote by hitting "reply" because when
> Tbird collects messages, they do not all get displayed for me in one
> vertical line underneath the dealer's message requesting votes. On the
> other hand, it may be that I have done something to the way Tbird
> operates that causes that to happen.

I don't quite understand what you're saying, Guerri.

When I open my inbox (I have Tbird 11.0, but it worked the same way in my
earlier versions: 10, 8 before that, and 2 before that), I see a list of
messages. Some are new and unread. Others, I've opened and read but have
kept in the inbox for reply. There are three columns of information; for
each message in the list, I see Subject, From, and Date (which actually
shows date and time).

I open a message by clicking on the list item twice. I then have the text
of the message onscreen and have choices (shown by buttons) of what to do:
Reply (which sends a reply to wherever/whoever the message came from),
Delete, et al. Or of course just close and hold for later action, perhaps
color-tagging it first (so it'll appear on the list in red, yellow, or some
other color than the usual blue). I find it pretty simple to just hit the
"Reply" button if I want to answer right away (in the case of a list of
defs, that would be vote).

[Guerri Stevens]

I agree that it is easy to reply to the dealer's message. What I'm
saying is that I don't think everyone uses "reply" to vote. That is why
voting messages do not always have the same subject as the request for
votes.

Take the voting for GEASTER. Tim's message requesting votes had the
subject "[Dixonary] Round 2294 GEASTER Defs - Vote Now". Then there were
a lot of "Re: [Dixonary] Round 2294 GEASTER Defs - Vote Now" voting
messages. But there was also a voting message from James Zorbas with the
subject "[Dixonary] vote for GEASTER". So my guess is that he did not
use Reply to vote, otherwise his message would have had the same title
as Tim's.



Guerri

Dodi Schultz wrote:
> I don't quite understand what you're saying, Guerri.
>
> When I open my inbox (I have Tbird 11.0, but it worked the same way in
> my earlier versions: 10, 8 before that, and 2 before that), I see a list
> of messages. Some are new and unread. Others, I've opened and read but
> have kept in the inbox for reply. There are three columns of
> information; for each message in the list, I see Subject, From, and Date
> (which actually shows date and time).
>
> I open a message by clicking on the list item twice. I then have the
> text of the message onscreen and have choices (shown by buttons) of what
> to do: Reply (which sends a reply to wherever/whoever the message came
> from), Delete, et al. Or of course just close and hold for later action,
> perhaps color-tagging it first (so it'll appear on the list in red,
> yellow, or some other color than the usual blue). I find it pretty
> simple to just hit the "Reply" button if I want to answer right away (in
> the case of a list of defs, that would be vote).
>
>

[Dodi Schultz]

On 4/8/2012 5:39 PM, Guerri Stevens wrote:
> I agree that it is easy to reply to the dealer's message. What I'm saying
> is that I don't think everyone uses "reply" to vote.

I can't imagine why they don't. It's certainly the easiest way!

[thejazzmonger]

Are we actually debating whether or not it is a good idea to include a
caution that submitters AND voters should check the Subject line and be
sure it includes Da Woid?

What would be the downside?

steve d

On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 8:56 PM, Dodi Schultz <DodiSchultz (AT) nasw (DOT) org> wrote:

> On 4/8/2012 5:39 PM, Guerri Stevens wrote:
>
>> I agree that it is easy to reply to the dealer's message. What I'm saying
>> is that I don't think everyone uses "reply" to vote.
>>
>
> I can't imagine why they don't. It's certainly the easiest way!
>



--
steve "thejazzmonger" dixon

[Dodi Schultz]

On 4/8/2012 9:14 PM, Steve D. wrote:
> Are we actually debating whether or not it is a good idea to include a
> caution that submitters AND voters should check the Subject line and be
> sure it includes Da Woid?

No. The dealer might choose to title the defs list "Round 0000: vote."
VOTERS should just hit "Reply".

Probably a good idea, yes, for SUBMITTERS (who do NOT hit "reply" but
compose their own new message directed to the dealer personally) to include
the word in the subject line, whether or not the dealer asks that it be so.

[John Barrs]

Steve

There is no neeed for this discussion.

It is a long standing request that the word and the round are ALWAYS
included in the subject line. It is actually a a rule when voting - the
"original rules" state that

5a) "VOTES ARE CAST PUBLICLY BY REPLY TO THE MESSAGE POSTING THE
DEFINITIONS. The dealer has discretion to ignore any vote not
cast in that manner."

earlier than that, talking about submitted definitions 3c says "It is
advisable to use the same subject line for the Easyplex message as the
dealer used for posting The Word."

THE REAL RULES: on the same subjects

4a) (a) Votes are cast publicly by reply to the message posting the
definitions. The dealer has discretion to ignore any vote not cast in that
manner. 5(a)

2a says "(a) As a courtesy to the dealer, players should include the round
number, or the word, or both, in the subject line of the email. 3(c)


So in fact there should not be any discussion.

JohnnyB

On 9 April 2012 02:14, thejazzmonger <thejazzmonger (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

> Are we actually debating whether or not it is a good idea to include a
> caution that submitters AND voters should check the Subject line and be
> sure it includes Da Woid?
>
> What would be the downside?
>
> steve d
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 8:56 PM, Dodi Schultz <DodiSchultz (AT) nasw (DOT) org> wrote:
>
>> On 4/8/2012 5:39 PM, Guerri Stevens wrote:
>>
>>> I agree that it is easy to reply to the dealer's message. What I'm
>>> saying is that I don't think everyone uses "reply" to vote.
>>>
>>
>> I can't imagine why they don't. It's certainly the easiest way!
>>
>
>
>
> --
> steve "thejazzmonger" dixon
>